John63":1spegv5m said:
Fade":1spegv5m said:
Maelstrom787":1spegv5m said:
Fade":1spegv5m said:
These are the facts. Seattle was #1 in pre-snap motion in week 1. They then fell to bottom 3 in the league up until the Lions game. The last 2 weeks they were again in the top 5.
You're either fanboing hard for Pete, have a dog$hit memory, or you don't really understand what you're watching. Which is it?
$h!t, huh?
This coming from the guy who would take Derek Carr over Pat Mahomes and judged Frank Clark a bad draft pick because he didn't get a second contract here?
Miss me with that $h!t, dollar store Kearly.
Also, feel free to provide the source for the presnap stats and I'll be happy to take a look.
Wow. Gaslighting to the max.
1) Derek Carr over Patty Mahomes during his early season struggles. I clearly stated "Right now, not longterm."
Derek Carr was clearly playing better over that stretch. Would you like to argue different?
2) They botched the Frank Clark negotiation, letting it drag out too long, they had no choice but to trade him.
3) The fact still remains they went away from pre-snap motion, and that Ram's-like attack for most of the season, despite whatever names you'd like to call me. Then brought it back the final two weeks once eliminated from playoff
contention.
This is how it went:
Week 1:
https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/gm-...e-of-pre-snap-motion-fly-sweeps-with-seahawks
https://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-s...ne-waldron-partnership-gets-off-to-fast-start
Among the new elements of Waldron's offense are an increased reliance on fast tempo, more pre-snap motion, how they use running backs in the passing game and using receivers in the run game with fly sweeps.
But by mid-year:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF_Eric/status/1455527080431693836[/tweet]
The reason it doesn’t make sense is because the Seahawks have a new offensive coordinator in Shane Waldron who comes from a Rams system that has utilized pre-snap motion a great deal over the last few years under Sean McVay. And in the Seahawks’ first game of the year against the Colts, the offense used pre-snap motion a lot.
“The first game, you saw so much pre-snap motion, you saw so much creativity. I mean, it was amazing,” Heaps said. “… It was like man, this is a way different look, a way different feel to this offense. And that was one aspect of it that I was really excited about Shane Waldron (bringing to the Seahawks) offensively. We have not seen that happen enough.”
Heaps thinks that if the Seahawks “let Shane Waldron be himself” as a playcaller, then we will see them use pre-snap motion more going forward.
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1522...se-needs-to-get-back-to-doing-after-bye-week/
That last sentence summarizes it perfectly.
Having to actually have a debate about this is ridiculous. It is clear and obvious.
McVay Ball.
You're legit arguing against facts. This is not an opinion. The Seahawks used more motion in game 1. They went away from it. Late season they went back to it.
THIS^^^^^
I dont think anyone is arguing that letting an OC do what he was brought here to do, which is make the offense more diverse, is a good thing.
The thing that makes ZERO sense and is frustrating is the constant inference that us struggling and not running a Shane styled offense is somehow the result of Pete 'sticking his nose into things', because it:
1. ignores the fact that the way we lost this year is completely antithetcal to what our HC believes. We passed ourselves into a losses this year and Pete objected to the strategy many times.
2. and conveniently sidesteps the fact that our worst games occured when Russ came back from his injury (not the point here)
AND
Despite logic saying that if your QB has an injury that prevents him from throwing the ball well... that
maybe you should run more. And yet we passed at a stupid rate. 73%, 61% and 72%.
Fade - John63 - who do you think put together that gameplan? Honest question. Was it Pete who
favors the run over the pass? Or the gameplan against the Titans that lost the W in the second half
when we decided to just keep on throwing? And threw it completely away when we ran three backwards
pass plays that netted nothing?
Or the gameplan against the Vikings when the same thing happened? you get the point.
Pete prefers the run game, yet We didn't run, despite being effective . Waldron brings complexity - yet
we forgot all of the complexity at around the same time we went pass happy and didnt bring it back until
late this year, conspicuously just after reports that Jody wasn't happy and hasn't
been - that was Dec 4th. On December 5th we had one of our best games.
After that point, we didn't pass more, we began to shift back more to running the ball. prior to that, it
was the Russel Wilson show. And along with the run becoming our identity, came complexity. But even
before that, when we ran more than passed, we won.
So we ran, and won, without the Shifts and Sweeps. They are obviously a nice added element. But that stuff going away coincided with the offense not becoming more Pete-like , but becoming more pass heavy, the opposite of what Pete prefers. And it came back in early December when we also returned to the run game.