The case for Brian Schottenheimer

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Rough fanbase. Dudes been in the league all of one year and was giving a lemon of an OLine to deal with. We're you guys expecting a miracle worker? Give the man a chance , sheesh.
Here's the thing, I think we all know that Macdonald has a vision for this team, and Grubb's offense isn't it. Throwing the ball a ton and abandoning the run game early isn't the physical offense Macdonald envisioned, it doesn't help his defense. MM & Grubb just don't seem to be meshing well together. Grubb has had 16 games, to this point, to show that he can call a balanced attack, and so far, K9 leads the team in rushing with 573 yards. The OL sucks, yes, but I think the play calling has some to do with that. If they're really that bad, maybe don't have Geno drop back in shotgun all the time. Go under center and call more run plays.

I'm very skeptical that Grubb can or will change, and I don't know how they can afford to give him another season if they're serious about trying to contend with the rest of the league.
 

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Here's the thing, I think we all know that Macdonald has a vision for this team, and Grubb's offense isn't it. Throwing the ball a ton and abandoning the run game early isn't the physical offense Macdonald envisioned, it doesn't help his defense. MM & Grubb just don't seem to be meshing well together. Grubb has had 16 games, to this point, to show that he can call a balanced attack, and so far, K9 leads the team in rushing with 573 yards. The OL sucks, yes, but I think the play calling has some to do with that. If they're really that bad, maybe don't have Geno drop back in shotgun all the time. Go under center and call more run plays.

I'm very skeptical that Grubb can or will change, and I don't know how they can afford to give him another season if they're serious about trying to contend with the rest of the league.
If what you say is indeed the case I'm sure Macdonald who is Grubbs boss would've set him straight by now. Secondly, as I've states several times, you can't run the ball with any consistency if your OLine can't run block.
 
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Seattle's OL was still something we were all complaining about back in the 2018-2020 seasons, but Solari & Schotty made the run game work well despite the fact that they didn't have a top 10 OL. It's just my opinion that Charbs is the type of RB that would have been a big part of the offense under Schotty & Solari.
I hear what you're saying but not one expert, coach, ex player, that I've heard of agrees with your take. They all say the same thing, until Seattle beefs up this OLine, their offense will be stagnant more often than not. Doesn't matter who you bring in to run it.
 
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What evidence do you have that Grubb is fine? I mean that sincerely.

From my perspective, if he was, his HC wouldnt constantly be asked whether he is on the same page as OC or whether he agrees with situational playcalls, overall coaching, or play design.

Grubb has put a ton of WTF plays and situational decision-making on tape. And that's before you even look at what the qb did on a play. And things have gotten worse as thr season has progressed.
We posted an average offense (21.6 pts/game) in year 1 of a new regime (better than Schottenheimer's 20.7/per, I might add).

This is in spite of having a suspect OL, a brand new coaching staff (I think Greg Roman with the Chargers is the only OC with a new HC that had a better offense than us), and the usual inconsistency/uncertainty that comes with new offenses. e.g. Geno hasn't thrown this many picks since his rookie year in 2013.

That is a ton of coaching, and to start from scratch and still be better than 1/3 or 1/2 the league is quite an achievement.

So yes, I think Grubb is going be fine:
A) Because this season was focused on getting the personnel to run the defense, so this next season should be focused on the offense. (I think all we really need is a LG to replace Tomlinson and a 3rd receiver to replace Lockett.
Lucas is in a contract year and would be a cheap re-sign if he stays healthy, so I'm torn if we should try to replace him now or wait and see.)

And B) Familiarity will cut down on the misqueues and mistakes. e.g. If Geno cuts his TD:INT ratio from around 1:1 to a more typical 2:1, we'll be a strong playoff team.
 

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Seattle's OL was still something we were all complaining about back in the 2018-2020 seasons, but Solari & Schotty made the run game work well despite the fact that they didn't have a top 10 OL. It's just my opinion that Charbs is the type of RB that would have been a big part of the offense under Schotty & Solari.
I don't even think charbonet is the second best back on this team. He's a good 3rd down back, not an every down back. Mackintosh is better.
 

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the offense was ranked 14th and we'll end up at 10 wins with a whole new coach and new staff. some pretty crazy high bar you got there.

I don't think it's a crazy high bar at all. Maybe yours is too low.

I don't know what metric you are using, DVOA? But they are 19th in ppg, that's the only offensive stat that matters too me. The other thing that matters to me is balance, and he couldn't achieve it all year, in fact they we're looking just as disheveled the last few games as anything. There was no signs of progression like the defense showed. I think I am being fair in that assessment.
 

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I hear what you're saying but not one expert, coach, ex player, that I've heard of agrees with your take. They all say the same thing, until Seattle beefs up this OLine, their offense will be stagnant more often than not. Doesn't matter who you bring in to run it.
Both Schneider & Grubb need to do their part then. Schneider needs to seriously invest in the OL, no more older guys on 1 year rentals, make a commitment to younger/proven guys and pay them. Then once next season starts, Grubb will have to actually give the RB's more carries per game. If the entire RB room can end the season with 400ish carries for 2,000ish yards, then that would be a success.
 

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Both Schneider & Grubb need to do their part then. Schneider needs to seriously invest in the OL, no more older guys on 1 year rentals, make a commitment to younger/proven guys and pay them. Then once next season starts, Grubb will have to actually give the RB's more carries per game. If the entire RB room can end the season with 400ish carries for 2,000ish yards, then that would be a success.
Sounds like a good plan to me. 🤷
 
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Just saying.

Our offense was 10th when he left. It was the best it had been in years the year prior and its been garbage since.

He should be tops of the search list.
 

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Just saying.

Our offense was 10th when he left. It was the best it had been in years the year prior and its been garbage since.

He should be tops of the search list.
Nah, Schotty is too old, the current search focuses on young ones.
 

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I don't even think charbonet is the second best back on this team. He's a good 3rd down back, not an every down back. Mackintosh is better.
Be careful. He had a few good games, so on here he's way better than K9 and he's basically the next Derrick Henry

/sarcasm
 

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He has a second interview with Dallas for their head gig today. Jerry likes boring hires for some reason, so he might have a good shot.
 

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Wow, that's an uninspiring hire for an OC, let alone HC.
 

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Not surprising for Dallas. Despite Jerry's well-earned reputation as an egomaniac and attention whore, his coaching hires the past two decades have been surprisingly dull. He was never going to hire Deion.
 
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