17 Things I Saw vs the Packers

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1. The Packers like to throw out of run-friendly looks and ran with a striking amount of heavy protect and tight formations (as opposed to out-wide) to assist in pass protection. That accounts for much of the ineffectiveness of our defensive line in that game. Their play designs also include a ton of misdirection. It was a mental challenge for any young defense and this one just didn't have the answers on key plays.

2. Speaking of, Jacobs is one of the best running backs in the league. He punishes you for the slightest holes, makes guys miss in the open field, and creates havoc in general. It's not as if we were out there getting gouged by Justice Hill or something. Raiders fans are still on suicide watch over the team having let him walk in free agency.

3. That offensive line is one of maybe four in the league whose fans aren't constantly griping about it. They're very good. They get off their blocks, put a hat on each guy, and hold him. They just do it. It's tough for any defensive line to find success against that.

4. There's an interesting vid on Twitter of Tariq Woolen's four back-breaking plays in this game that honestly might have almost made the difference singlehandedly. Awful. He's dogging plays, not thinking, and on the first Doubs touchdown he was going for the strip instead of the tackle and just got out-wrestled. Josh Jobe is perilously close to outplaying him, despite a bad DPI of his own.

5. Fieldgulls had an article pointing to our rookies all having a bad day Sunday. Sataoa Laumea had his worst game. Tyrice Knight had some spectacular, untimely whiffs, including a bizarrely athletic missed tackle on Jacobs in open field during the first quarter. Also a couple of plays where he positioned himself badly on obvious assignments, like the Doubs touchdown, where he fell to temptation by presnap motion.

6. It was painful watching our D against jet sweeps. Infuriating to see vets who should know better, like Nwosu, Dre'Mont Jones and Rayshawn Jenkins, blithely overpursuing the play and getting burned by Jayden Reed. In fairness, Reed does that to every team, which is why they love to use him there. (It's worth mentioning that Jones has actually been showing a lot of hustle and even some pressures to show for it this year, despite me being hard on him.)

7. One rookie who had a very good day was Jalen Sundell, our UDFA backup center, who came in after Oluwatimi's departure. PFF had good grades on him and the tape backs it up.

8. Gotta give credit to the pull game on our offensive line. They're good at it and they make big things happen out of those schemes a lot. Unfortunately, it seems to be one of the few things they're good at.

9. This defense has playmakers. Leonard Williams, Ernest Jones IV, and I daresay Coby Bryant. I'm struck how often the latter can be found corkstopping potentially big plays with nice open-field tackle work, instead of them going the distance. It speaks to his range, his discipline, and his reading of plays. He's come a long ways.

10. I'm going to die on this hill: Geno isn't the problem. You can all see how bad this line is. People love to obsess over the TD/INT ratio, but at the end of the day, despite this OL...it's a positive ratio. The fact it's that HIGH, that he's third in passing yards with a 70% completion rate, that he's making multiple elite throws every game despite the poor situation...sorry, haters, he's an elite QB, at least until Grubb sabotages him in the red zone. He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl, we should draft a QBOTF at the first chance, but he's an elite QB. Those statements aren't contradictory. Not in this context.

11. John Schneider's "guards are overpaid" comment is going to be what gets him canned at this rate. That's the kind of comment GM's train themselves out of making in public because if they don't come through at that position, you look doubly stupid. Laumea still has a chance to work out but his pass protection has never been strong. Laken Tomlinson...I don't know what he was thinking with him. Awful signing.

12. You Sam Howell truthers...forgive the pun, but it's time to pack it in. He ain't it. Throwing stick into basic Cover 2, getting coverage sacked with not one but two alert options on the field, bailing on the pocket for no reason a la Russell Wilson (but without the magic) and cutting your options in half, throwing at guys' feet...just get Geno back out there. Anyone who played fantasy football last year already knows exactly what we have with Howell.

13. Grubb. He's going to need a long offseason spent staring in the mirror. I'm not sure what the logic was with this hire. Why is a college offensive line coach and D2 offensive coordinator serving as an NFL coordinator? That said, I've seen enough to where I think he deserves a second season.

14. I'm not sure what to think about the play-calling balance. With LB Quay Walker out, it feels like the Seahawks missed a major opportunity to run the ball. Then again, you fall behind by two scores and MOST teams are going to start abandoning the run.

15. The defense really buckled down after the first quarter. They kept fighting and had a turnover and key stops to show for it. Love had to start making plays with his feet in the second half. Unfortunately, he's one of those guys who will seriously burn you in that dimension. I'd mentioned before the game that the last time this defense played a QB who could both make plays from the pocket and show off plus mobility was Josh Allen, and...well, I won't remind you of what happened there. I noted the Bills also had success against Seattle when throwing out of heavy looks. Mike will need to work on solutions against play action.

16. The Packers got really lucky late in the second on a wounded duck. Big Cat jumped offsides, Jarran Reed got in Love's face, and Love just put it up for grabs - but Coby Bryant miscalculates the grab and Tucker Kraft was there to bring it in. This on 2nd and 12 on the Packers' own 12, and it led to a Packers FG. It was just that kind of day for the Seahawks.

17. I don't know why people thought this team was becoming dominant. This four-game winning streak featured us beating Kyler Murray twice, Brock Purdy without weapons, and 2024 Aaron Rodgers. IT's nice that we could shut those guys down so thoroughly and it does speak to genuine talent on the team, but the Packers? They'll likely be in the NFC championship along with the Lions. Eagles and Vikings fans are just sitting around waiting for their QBs to get exposed in the playoffs again. The Packers aren't just good, they're probably Top 5. It's alright. We need another season to think about the big dance.
 
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That is great analysis of what happened to us Sunday and what our team is and isn't. Probably the first real deep look I have read on here (not say others haven't done a deep dive, i just haven't read them). Thanks for the hard work on that very much appreciated and gives me hope for the future.
 

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Actually PFF had a good grade on Sundell's pass blocking and a poor grade on his run blocking with an overall good grade. I thought he looked better than a poor grade run blocking myself. And I gotta agree, they look pretty good when they're pulling on the oline, just like the previous week. Wish they would have done more of it, run the ball that is, despite being behind.
 

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Howell looked like a QB who barely paid any attention to anything in practice, as if he never expected to have to play a single snap in a real game for the Seahawks. Thanks, Howell, for being so-well prepared to come in if needed. Not.
 

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Holy hell he looks even worse from the All-22. It looks like he took the week off and rolled out of bed at halftime
 

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1. The Packers like to throw out of run-friendly looks and ran with a striking amount of heavy protect and tight formations (as opposed to out-wide) to assist in pass protection. That accounts for much of the ineffectiveness of our defensive line in that game. Their play designs also include a ton of misdirection. It was a mental challenge for any young defense and this one just didn't have the answers on key plays.

2. Speaking of, Jacobs is one of the best running backs in the league. He punishes you for the slightest holes, makes guys miss in the open field, and creates havoc in general. It's not as if we were out there getting gouged by Justice Hill or something. Raiders fans are still on suicide watch over the team having let him walk in free agency.

3. That offensive line is one of maybe four in the league whose fans aren't constantly griping about it. They're very good. They get off their blocks, put a hat on each guy, and hold him. They just do it. It's tough for any defensive line to find success against that.

4. There's an interesting vid on Twitter of Tariq Woolen's four back-breaking plays in this game that honestly might have almost made the difference singlehandedly. Awful. He's dogging plays, not thinking, and on the first Doubs touchdown he was going for the strip instead of the tackle and just got out-wrestled. Josh Jobe is perilously close to outplaying him, despite a bad DPI of his own.

5. Fieldgulls had an article pointing to our rookies all having a bad day Sunday. Sataoa Laumea had his worst game. Tyrice Knight had some spectacular, untimely whiffs, including a bizarrely athletic missed tackle on Jacobs in open field during the first quarter. Also a couple of plays where he positioned himself badly on obvious assignments, like the Doubs touchdown, where he fell to temptation by presnap motion.

6. It was painful watching our D against jet sweeps. Infuriating to see vets who should know better, like Nwosu, Dre'Mont Jones and Rayshawn Jenkins, blithely overpursuing the play and getting burned by Jayden Reed. In fairness, Reed does that to every team, which is why they love to use him there. (It's worth mentioning that Jones has actually been showing a lot of hustle and even some pressures to show for it this year, despite me being hard on him.)

7. One rookie who had a very good day was Jalen Sundell, our UDFA backup center, who came in after Oluwatimi's departure. PFF had good grades on him and the tape backs it up.

8. Gotta give credit to the pull game on our offensive line. They're good at it and they make big things happen out of those schemes a lot. Unfortunately, it seems to be one of the few things they're good at.

9. This defense has playmakers. Leonard Williams, Ernest Jones IV, and I daresay Coby Bryant. I'm struck how often the latter can be found corkstopping potentially big plays with nice open-field tackle work, instead of them going the distance. It speaks to his range, his discipline, and his reading of plays. He's come a long ways.

10. I'm going to die on this hill: Geno isn't the problem. You can all see how bad this line is. People love to obsess over the TD/INT ratio, but at the end of the day, despite this OL...it's a positive ratio. The fact it's that HIGH, that he's third in passing yards with a 70% completion rate, that he's making multiple elite throws every game despite the poor situation...sorry, haters, he's an elite QB, at least until Grubb sabotages him in the red zone. He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl, we should draft a QBOTF at the first chance, but he's an elite QB. Those statements aren't contradictory. Not in this context.

11. John Schneider's "guards are overpaid" comment is going to be what gets him canned at this rate. That's the kind of comment GM's train themselves out of making in public because if they don't come through at that position, you look doubly stupid. Laumea still has a chance to work out but his pass protection has never been strong. Laken Tomlinson...I don't know what he was thinking with him. Awful signing.

12. You Sam Howell truthers...forgive the pun, but it's time to pack it in. He ain't it. Throwing stick into basic Cover 2, getting coverage sacked with not one but two alert options on the field, bailing on the pocket for no reason a la Russell Wilson (but without the magic) and cutting your options in half, throwing at guys' feet...just get Geno back out there. Anyone who played fantasy football last year already knows exactly what we have with Howell.

13. Grubb. He's going to need a long offseason spent staring in the mirror. I'm not sure what the logic was with this hire. Why is a college offensive line coach and D2 offensive coordinator serving as an NFL coordinator? That said, I've seen enough to where I think he deserves a second season.

14. I'm not sure what to think about the play-calling balance. With LB Quay Walker out, it feels like the Seahawks missed a major opportunity to run the ball. Then again, you fall behind by two scores and MOST teams are going to start abandoning the run.

15. The defense really buckled down after the first quarter. They kept fighting and had a turnover and key stops to show for it. Love had to start making plays with his feet in the second half. Unfortunately, he's one of those guys who will seriously burn you in that dimension. I'd mentioned before the game that the last time this defense played a QB who could both make plays from the pocket and show off plus mobility was Josh Allen, and...well, I won't remind you of what happened there. I noted the Bills also had success against Seattle when throwing out of heavy looks. Mike will need to work on solutions against play action.

16. The Packers got really lucky late in the second on a wounded duck. Big Cat jumped offsides, Jarran Reed got in Love's face, and Love just put it up for grabs - but Coby Bryant miscalculates the grab and Tucker Kraft was there to bring it in. This on 2nd and 12 on the Packers' own 12, and it led to a Packers FG. It was just that kind of day for the Seahawks.

17. I don't know why people thought this team was becoming dominant. This four-game winning streak featured us beating Kyler Murray twice, Brock Purdy without weapons, and 2024 Aaron Rodgers. IT's nice that we could shut those guys down so thoroughly and it does speak to genuine talent on the team, but the Packers? They'll likely be in the NFC championship along with the Lions. Eagles and Vikings fans are just sitting around waiting for their QBs to get exposed in the playoffs again. The Packers aren't just good, they're probably Top 5. It's alright. We need another season to think about the big dance.
You sir, are the shit.

Thank you!
 

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Damn…10 & 11. 10 & 11.

This is pretty deep. The whole piece actually.
 

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1. The Packers like to throw out of run-friendly looks and ran with a striking amount of heavy protect and tight formations (as opposed to out-wide) to assist in pass protection. That accounts for much of the ineffectiveness of our defensive line in that game. Their play designs also include a ton of misdirection. It was a mental challenge for any young defense and this one just didn't have the answers on key plays.

2. Speaking of, Jacobs is one of the best running backs in the league. He punishes you for the slightest holes, makes guys miss in the open field, and creates havoc in general. It's not as if we were out there getting gouged by Justice Hill or something. Raiders fans are still on suicide watch over the team having let him walk in free agency.

3. That offensive line is one of maybe four in the league whose fans aren't constantly griping about it. They're very good. They get off their blocks, put a hat on each guy, and hold him. They just do it. It's tough for any defensive line to find success against that.

4. There's an interesting vid on Twitter of Tariq Woolen's four back-breaking plays in this game that honestly might have almost made the difference singlehandedly. Awful. He's dogging plays, not thinking, and on the first Doubs touchdown he was going for the strip instead of the tackle and just got out-wrestled. Josh Jobe is perilously close to outplaying him, despite a bad DPI of his own.

5. Fieldgulls had an article pointing to our rookies all having a bad day Sunday. Sataoa Laumea had his worst game. Tyrice Knight had some spectacular, untimely whiffs, including a bizarrely athletic missed tackle on Jacobs in open field during the first quarter. Also a couple of plays where he positioned himself badly on obvious assignments, like the Doubs touchdown, where he fell to temptation by presnap motion.

6. It was painful watching our D against jet sweeps. Infuriating to see vets who should know better, like Nwosu, Dre'Mont Jones and Rayshawn Jenkins, blithely overpursuing the play and getting burned by Jayden Reed. In fairness, Reed does that to every team, which is why they love to use him there. (It's worth mentioning that Jones has actually been showing a lot of hustle and even some pressures to show for it this year, despite me being hard on him.)

7. One rookie who had a very good day was Jalen Sundell, our UDFA backup center, who came in after Oluwatimi's departure. PFF had good grades on him and the tape backs it up.

8. Gotta give credit to the pull game on our offensive line. They're good at it and they make big things happen out of those schemes a lot. Unfortunately, it seems to be one of the few things they're good at.

9. This defense has playmakers. Leonard Williams, Ernest Jones IV, and I daresay Coby Bryant. I'm struck how often the latter can be found corkstopping potentially big plays with nice open-field tackle work, instead of them going the distance. It speaks to his range, his discipline, and his reading of plays. He's come a long ways.

10. I'm going to die on this hill: Geno isn't the problem. You can all see how bad this line is. People love to obsess over the TD/INT ratio, but at the end of the day, despite this OL...it's a positive ratio. The fact it's that HIGH, that he's third in passing yards with a 70% completion rate, that he's making multiple elite throws every game despite the poor situation...sorry, haters, he's an elite QB, at least until Grubb sabotages him in the red zone. He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl, we should draft a QBOTF at the first chance, but he's an elite QB. Those statements aren't contradictory. Not in this context.

11. John Schneider's "guards are overpaid" comment is going to be what gets him canned at this rate. That's the kind of comment GM's train themselves out of making in public because if they don't come through at that position, you look doubly stupid. Laumea still has a chance to work out but his pass protection has never been strong. Laken Tomlinson...I don't know what he was thinking with him. Awful signing.

12. You Sam Howell truthers...forgive the pun, but it's time to pack it in. He ain't it. Throwing stick into basic Cover 2, getting coverage sacked with not one but two alert options on the field, bailing on the pocket for no reason a la Russell Wilson (but without the magic) and cutting your options in half, throwing at guys' feet...just get Geno back out there. Anyone who played fantasy football last year already knows exactly what we have with Howell.

13. Grubb. He's going to need a long offseason spent staring in the mirror. I'm not sure what the logic was with this hire. Why is a college offensive line coach and D2 offensive coordinator serving as an NFL coordinator? That said, I've seen enough to where I think he deserves a second season.

14. I'm not sure what to think about the play-calling balance. With LB Quay Walker out, it feels like the Seahawks missed a major opportunity to run the ball. Then again, you fall behind by two scores and MOST teams are going to start abandoning the run.

15. The defense really buckled down after the first quarter. They kept fighting and had a turnover and key stops to show for it. Love had to start making plays with his feet in the second half. Unfortunately, he's one of those guys who will seriously burn you in that dimension. I'd mentioned before the game that the last time this defense played a QB who could both make plays from the pocket and show off plus mobility was Josh Allen, and...well, I won't remind you of what happened there. I noted the Bills also had success against Seattle when throwing out of heavy looks. Mike will need to work on solutions against play action.

16. The Packers got really lucky late in the second on a wounded duck. Big Cat jumped offsides, Jarran Reed got in Love's face, and Love just put it up for grabs - but Coby Bryant miscalculates the grab and Tucker Kraft was there to bring it in. This on 2nd and 12 on the Packers' own 12, and it led to a Packers FG. It was just that kind of day for the Seahawks.

17. I don't know why people thought this team was becoming dominant. This four-game winning streak featured us beating Kyler Murray twice, Brock Purdy without weapons, and 2024 Aaron Rodgers. IT's nice that we could shut those guys down so thoroughly and it does speak to genuine talent on the team, but the Packers? They'll likely be in the NFC championship along with the Lions. Eagles and Vikings fans are just sitting around waiting for their QBs to get exposed in the playoffs again. The Packers aren't just good, they're probably Top 5. It's alright. We need another season to think about the big dance.
I agree with you on these 17 points. I disagree with you on GB being a top 5 team. I just don't think they are as good as the media is making them out to be. Like us, they haven't beaten a true contender yet. They lost to those good teams just like we did. Until they beat a good solid team, GB is mid tier just like us.
 

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1. The Packers like to throw out of run-friendly looks and ran with a striking amount of heavy protect and tight formations (as opposed to out-wide) to assist in pass protection. That accounts for much of the ineffectiveness of our defensive line in that game. Their play designs also include a ton of misdirection. It was a mental challenge for any young defense and this one just didn't have the answers on key plays.

2. Speaking of, Jacobs is one of the best running backs in the league. He punishes you for the slightest holes, makes guys miss in the open field, and creates havoc in general. It's not as if we were out there getting gouged by Justice Hill or something. Raiders fans are still on suicide watch over the team having let him walk in free agency.

3. That offensive line is one of maybe four in the league whose fans aren't constantly griping about it. They're very good. They get off their blocks, put a hat on each guy, and hold him. They just do it. It's tough for any defensive line to find success against that.

4. There's an interesting vid on Twitter of Tariq Woolen's four back-breaking plays in this game that honestly might have almost made the difference singlehandedly. Awful. He's dogging plays, not thinking, and on the first Doubs touchdown he was going for the strip instead of the tackle and just got out-wrestled. Josh Jobe is perilously close to outplaying him, despite a bad DPI of his own.

5. Fieldgulls had an article pointing to our rookies all having a bad day Sunday. Sataoa Laumea had his worst game. Tyrice Knight had some spectacular, untimely whiffs, including a bizarrely athletic missed tackle on Jacobs in open field during the first quarter. Also a couple of plays where he positioned himself badly on obvious assignments, like the Doubs touchdown, where he fell to temptation by presnap motion.

6. It was painful watching our D against jet sweeps. Infuriating to see vets who should know better, like Nwosu, Dre'Mont Jones and Rayshawn Jenkins, blithely overpursuing the play and getting burned by Jayden Reed. In fairness, Reed does that to every team, which is why they love to use him there. (It's worth mentioning that Jones has actually been showing a lot of hustle and even some pressures to show for it this year, despite me being hard on him.)

7. One rookie who had a very good day was Jalen Sundell, our UDFA backup center, who came in after Oluwatimi's departure. PFF had good grades on him and the tape backs it up.

8. Gotta give credit to the pull game on our offensive line. They're good at it and they make big things happen out of those schemes a lot. Unfortunately, it seems to be one of the few things they're good at.

9. This defense has playmakers. Leonard Williams, Ernest Jones IV, and I daresay Coby Bryant. I'm struck how often the latter can be found corkstopping potentially big plays with nice open-field tackle work, instead of them going the distance. It speaks to his range, his discipline, and his reading of plays. He's come a long ways.

10. I'm going to die on this hill: Geno isn't the problem. You can all see how bad this line is. People love to obsess over the TD/INT ratio, but at the end of the day, despite this OL...it's a positive ratio. The fact it's that HIGH, that he's third in passing yards with a 70% completion rate, that he's making multiple elite throws every game despite the poor situation...sorry, haters, he's an elite QB, at least until Grubb sabotages him in the red zone. He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl, we should draft a QBOTF at the first chance, but he's an elite QB. Those statements aren't contradictory. Not in this context.

11. John Schneider's "guards are overpaid" comment is going to be what gets him canned at this rate. That's the kind of comment GM's train themselves out of making in public because if they don't come through at that position, you look doubly stupid. Laumea still has a chance to work out but his pass protection has never been strong. Laken Tomlinson...I don't know what he was thinking with him. Awful signing.

12. You Sam Howell truthers...forgive the pun, but it's time to pack it in. He ain't it. Throwing stick into basic Cover 2, getting coverage sacked with not one but two alert options on the field, bailing on the pocket for no reason a la Russell Wilson (but without the magic) and cutting your options in half, throwing at guys' feet...just get Geno back out there. Anyone who played fantasy football last year already knows exactly what we have with Howell.

13. Grubb. He's going to need a long offseason spent staring in the mirror. I'm not sure what the logic was with this hire. Why is a college offensive line coach and D2 offensive coordinator serving as an NFL coordinator? That said, I've seen enough to where I think he deserves a second season.

14. I'm not sure what to think about the play-calling balance. With LB Quay Walker out, it feels like the Seahawks missed a major opportunity to run the ball. Then again, you fall behind by two scores and MOST teams are going to start abandoning the run.

15. The defense really buckled down after the first quarter. They kept fighting and had a turnover and key stops to show for it. Love had to start making plays with his feet in the second half. Unfortunately, he's one of those guys who will seriously burn you in that dimension. I'd mentioned before the game that the last time this defense played a QB who could both make plays from the pocket and show off plus mobility was Josh Allen, and...well, I won't remind you of what happened there. I noted the Bills also had success against Seattle when throwing out of heavy looks. Mike will need to work on solutions against play action.

16. The Packers got really lucky late in the second on a wounded duck. Big Cat jumped offsides, Jarran Reed got in Love's face, and Love just put it up for grabs - but Coby Bryant miscalculates the grab and Tucker Kraft was there to bring it in. This on 2nd and 12 on the Packers' own 12, and it led to a Packers FG. It was just that kind of day for the Seahawks.

17. I don't know why people thought this team was becoming dominant. This four-game winning streak featured us beating Kyler Murray twice, Brock Purdy without weapons, and 2024 Aaron Rodgers. IT's nice that we could shut those guys down so thoroughly and it does speak to genuine talent on the team, but the Packers? They'll likely be in the NFC championship along with the Lions. Eagles and Vikings fans are just sitting around waiting for their QBs to get exposed in the playoffs again. The Packers aren't just good, they're probably Top 5. It's alright. We need another season to think about the big dance.
I agree with most everything you've said here, but I'll comment on a few I disagree with or add some notes on a few:

3. The Packers O-Line aren't super highly performing in run blocking (22nd in Run Block Win Rate, 15th in Run Stuff Rate) but they're a top 5ish pass blocking unit (which is good because Jordan Love still sucks under pressure). I bring this up, because it'll relate to my comment on #15...

10. I think the thing that's most annoying in this regards is this: We were a top 10 offense in 2022. Just outside top 10 in 2023. Nobody thinks we've had a good offensive line. Our run game production was near the bottom of the league both years.
So, what exactly do these people attribute our offense being good to? You can ignore every single QB stat in the world. Our offense was good and there is literally nothing else you can point at to explain why.
2024, yeah, we are struggling on offense. Completely ok with that assessment. But I'm sorry, you're going to need a lot more than a couple of cherry-picked plays to make me think the guys who has led back-to-back seasons of successful offense is the problem and not the brand-new unproven OC who has zero NFL experience whatsoever.

13. Speaking of that unproven OC, this was the first game where I started to be on the 'don't invite him back next year' train. I've taken a step back from that ledge, but, yeah... this guy needs to show me something against Minnesota.

15. So, the Packers O-Line aren't great at run blocking, but ran basically at will in the first quarter. The previous two weeks, despite how good we looked OVERALL on defense, we struggled out the gate against the other team's first drives. This is now a three game pattern. Macdonald is adjusting well, obviously, but with how little I trust Grubb once we fall behind, he's got to figure out what he's doing wrong with his opening defensive script.

17. I still think this defense is a really good one. We can smack talk Kyler Murray all we want (and trust me, I enjoy it), but the Cards are still a top 10* offense at this point in the season. Between them, Lions, Bills, and now Packers, that's 5 games against top 10 offenses.
I would say 5 games is a pretty legit number, and yet our defense still ranks top 10. So, to me, we have a legit defense that also has some issues that have prevented us from cracking the top 5.

Seahawks are a very comparable team to the Broncos and Chargers. A good team, sitting just outside the top 10, carried mostly by their defense. Unfortunately, we ran into a legit top 5 team in Green Bay and instead of rising to the challenge that game presented, we stumbled out of the gate. When you are what we are, you really can't afford to dig yourself a hole against a team like the Packers.

Fortunately, we get another shot against another top 5 team this coming Sunday, which is another opportunity to raise our game up. Hopefully, Geno is able to go, Mike Mac re-examines his opening gameplan on defense, and Grubb started that long look in the mirror on Monday morning instead of waiting for the offseason.

Cheers!

* Top 10 as measured by Offensive Efficiency
 

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13. Grubb. He's going to need a long offseason spent staring in the mirror. I'm not sure what the logic was with this hire. Why is a college offensive line coach and D2 offensive coordinator serving as an NFL coordinator? That said, I've seen enough to where I think he deserves a second season.

14. I'm not sure what to think about the play-calling balance. With LB Quay Walker out, it feels like the Seahawks missed a major opportunity to run the ball. Then again, you fall behind by two scores and MOST teams are going to start abandoning the run.
These kind of tie together IMO. Grubb abandons the run insanely fast. No team (should) abandon the run being behind 2 scores early in the game. You set your QB up to get his ass wrecked that way. Especially with the way the line is and the boneheaded shit Geno tends to do.
 

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I agree with you on these 17 points. I disagree with you on GB being a top 5 team. I just don't think they are as good as the media is making them out to be. Like us, they haven't beaten a true contender yet. They lost to those good teams just like we did. Until they beat a good solid team, GB is mid tier just like us.
Unlike us, they've been in all their losses and haven't been blown out, the most was 10 points to Detroit. They didn't lose to those teams just like we did, our losses against the Lions and Bills were not close. Last year they went into Jerry's world and beat the doors off the Cowboys and were very close to upsetting the 49ers. Yeah the Cowboys are the Cowboys, but they weren't a bad team last year.
 

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To reiterate on Sam Howell:


Man...what jumps out at me first and foremost is the confidence he exhibits in his follow-thrus. Kinda like in his head, as the ball leaves his hand, he's saying "yeah baby, there ya' go. WHO'S RIDIN' THE PINE NOW"??
 

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Howell looked like a QB who barely paid any attention to anything in practice, as if he never expected to have to play a single snap in a real game for the Seahawks. Thanks, Howell, for being so-well prepared to come in if needed. Not.
Well, if you don’t get live reps in practice especially with the guys catching the ball one would expect things to be “off” and bad. I think Sam is bad, but no practice worse.
 

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My only issue with this list is #10. I think Geno is top 15, maybe 10 but not elite (top 5). That's not my issue. My issue is we know we are not yet in a championship window, likely a year probably two out. Geno is what? 34? He will be 36 or so when that window opens presumably. At what point do QB's start to drop off typically? He's no Brady and can't play at a high level when he is 45. I mean, maybe, but unlikely. I know he doesn't have the mileage on him most 34 year old QB's do but he's still older and the body will still break down. It doesn't give you a pass because this is basically your 4th or 5th year playing. I'm not saying move off Geno but the future needs to be invested into because the future could come quick.
 

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Great post. I disagree on a couple of points but that's ok as none of us are going to agree on everything.
 

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Nice post. Nice work. Geno isn't an elite QB, though. There's only a few of those, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, maybe Lamar. Elite means the tippy-top best of a bunch.
 

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He's not even top 10. To each his/her own, but when I saw someone claiming he was top 5, I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee..........it would have shot right out of my nose.
He's around 13-15. Not bad, but not great. Average. IF we get good Geno the next 3 weeks, this team makes playoffs, imo.
His red zone issues can't just be swept under the rug. He panics and/or forces things in the red zone, I doubt I'm the only one who is incredibly tired of it.
 
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