The case for Brian Schottenheimer

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When Charbonet was pounding the opposing defense, Grubb started throwing the ball and getting Geno beat up.

We're out of the playoffs again, and our QB is beat up and his play has dropped off at the end of the season again, because Grubb insists on throwing the ball.

Look at the playoff teams, such as Baltimore and Pittsburgh, when they run the ball, they succeed. It wears down the opposing defense, protects the QB, and the QBs stats IMPROVE when their offense runs the ball.

Just look at RW, his career was over, them he went to a team that ran the ball and played great defense.
 

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When Charbonet was pounding the opposing defense, Grubb started throwing the ball and getting Geno beat up.

We're out of the playoffs again, and our QB is beat up and his play has dropped off at the end of the season again, because Grubb insists on throwing the ball.

Look at the playoff teams, such as Baltimore and Pittsburgh, when they run the ball, they succeed. It wears down the opposing defense, protects the QB, and the QBs stats IMPROVE when their offense runs the ball.

Just look at RW, his career was over, them he went to a team that ran the ball and played great defense.
Charbs would have feasted if he were here under Schotty.
 

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He also is the only offensive coach we've had that is still coordinating. He consistently finds jobs for a reason. Is he the next hot play caller? No, but he is able to adapt modern NFL trends and execute them. He's the type of guy that adheres to a coaches vision and makes it happen.

Is Schottenheimer the best OC in the league? No, is he a solid coordinator? I'd say so. In a team where you have no veteran leadership, having a guy like Schottenheimer is pretty important.
Hes an ok OC his offense is pass heavy. Like I said. This offense needs some one who can develop QB'S. Who has he developed. Again we need to see who is available, and if it's him or Grubb than I would choose him. But I wouldn't be lined up to take him from Dallas.
 

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Hes an ok OC his offense is pass heavy. Like I said. This offense needs some one who can develop QB'S. Who has he developed. Again we need to see who is available, and if it's him or Grubb than I would choose him. But I wouldn't be lined up to take him from Dallas.
Drew Brees (Brees actually went out of his way to give credit to Schottenheimer for his development), Philip Rivers, Andrew Luck had his best years following Schottenheimer coaching him -- in fact Luck even mentioned him and their rapport together being a big influence on his play, Cooper Rush is also looking alright, under Schottenheimer, Prescott had his best year, our very own Russell Wilson took several steps forward under Schottenheimer and had his best season yet.

While still not a pocket QB, Wilson was a lot more disciplined in the pocket and he played more like a conventional QB under Schottenheimer.

As you can see, Schottenheimer has coached quite a few guys. A lot of these guys have personally went out of their way to credit him for their success (Luck and Brees).
 

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Drew Brees (Brees actually went out of his way to give credit to Schottenheimer for his development), Philip Rivers, Andrew Luck had his best years following Schottenheimer coaching him -- in fact Luck even mentioned him and their rapport together being a big influence on his play, Cooper Rush is also looking alright, under Schottenheimer, Prescott had his best year, our very own Russell Wilson took several steps forward under Schottenheimer and had his best season yet.

While still not a pocket QB, Wilson was a lot more disciplined in the pocket and he played more like a conventional QB under Schottenheimer.

As you can see, Schottenheimer has coached quite a few guys. A lot of these guys have personally went out of their way to credit him for their success (Luck and Brees).
No his father was the one who developed Philip Rivers, his father was know for teaching fundamentals discipline and emotions. Payton is the one who developed Drew brees, and Frank Reich is the one who developed Luck. While he did help out. Those are some very good coaches that are known for being great offensive, and defensive minds.
 
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Drew Brees (Brees actually went out of his way to give credit to Schottenheimer for his development), Philip Rivers, Andrew Luck had his best years following Schottenheimer coaching him -- in fact Luck even mentioned him and their rapport together being a big influence on his play, Cooper Rush is also looking alright, under Schottenheimer, Prescott had his best year, our very own Russell Wilson took several steps forward under Schottenheimer and had his best season yet.

While still not a pocket QB, Wilson was a lot more disciplined in the pocket and he played more like a conventional QB under Schottenheimer.

As you can see, Schottenheimer has coached quite a few guys. A lot of these guys have personally went out of their way to credit him for their success (Luck and Brees).

Dont forget what he did for Mark Sanchez as a rookie...

The dude has a great record grooming qb's and every stage of their careers. We will need that skill in the transition from from Geno to whatever longterm solution we acquire.
 

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What about Doug Pederson, who will probably be fired this week. And is from Washington
 

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Bringing back Shotty would be a huge comment on Pete. I don't know if the Organization wants to send that message. There are a lot of aspects to a hire outside of their capability. There are also a lot of variables to which the public has no exposure. If he's hired back, we'll have a a clearer picture of how Jodi interprets Pete's recent tenure and ultimate departure. I think most corporations would prefer not to open a potential can of worms. It's hard enough to be a successful team/coach in the NFL. Adding more difficulty/drama doesn't help. I think it's the same as Dan Quinn last year. There's no reason to DQ him as a HC candidate except that he'd been in Seattle before and it would have been a lot of focus on the past. ... a lot of comparisons to past successes and failures. That just adds distraction and difficulty. I'd predict a new and different OC in '25.
 

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Rough fanbase. Dudes been in the league all of one year and was giving a lemon of an OLine to deal with. We're you guys expecting a miracle worker? Give the man a chance , sheesh.
 
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Bringing back Shotty would be a huge comment on Pete. I don't know if the Organization wants to send that message. There are a lot of aspects to a hire outside of their capability. There are also a lot of variables to which the public has no exposure. If he's hired back, we'll have a a clearer picture of how Jodi interprets Pete's recent tenure and ultimate departure. I think most corporations would prefer not to open a potential can of worms. It's hard enough to be a successful team/coach in the NFL. Adding more difficulty/drama doesn't help. I think it's the same as Dan Quinn last year. There's no reason to DQ him as a HC candidate except that he'd been in Seattle before and it would have been a lot of focus on the past. ... a lot of comparisons to past successes and failures. That just adds distraction and difficulty. I'd predict a new and different OC in '25.

I'm sure everyone in the franchise knows why Shottys was let go. If there was deference to Pete at all in the lead-up to his ouster, i dont think JS would have ridden as hard a line after the Russ trade, stating unequivocally that a change needed to be made and seeming annoyed at the notion that the move was the wrong one. The lines were pretty easy to read between - John had wanted Russ gone and Pete didnt. You could also then infer that if John felt the offense was stagnated because of Russ's limitations, that he also likely disagreed on firing Schotty.

John has also been pretty indirectly critical of Pete and his group in the way he has described his enthusiasm for Mac and the new staff and the things that they are bringing (opposite of the 'stay the course' mantra we'd all been hearing for years).

I dont think the FO would see a Schotty hire as a step into an uncomfortable past as much as they would a course correction.

Quinn being passed over was for numerous reasons OTHER than not wanting to dredge up the past.
 

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No offensive coordinator would be effective with this OLine. Period. That's not how football works.

Without an effective OLine, you have no run game, without a run game you have no play action, without play action all the pressure is on the QB which is not ideal, especially when the OLine can't pass protect. We all saw how that worked out this season.

It's really not the difficult to grasp. Without solid trenches, not other parts matter.
 

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Bringing back Shotty would be a huge comment on Pete. I don't know if the Organization wants to send that message. There are a lot of aspects to a hire outside of their capability. There are also a lot of variables to which the public has no exposure. If he's hired back, we'll have a a clearer picture of how Jodi interprets Pete's recent tenure and ultimate departure. I think most corporations would prefer not to open a potential can of worms. It's hard enough to be a successful team/coach in the NFL. Adding more difficulty/drama doesn't help. I think it's the same as Dan Quinn last year. There's no reason to DQ him as a HC candidate except that he'd been in Seattle before and it would have been a lot of focus on the past. ... a lot of comparisons to past successes and failures. That just adds distraction and difficulty. I'd predict a new and different OC in '25.
Russell ran Schotty out, not Pete.
 

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If I could wave a magic wand, I'd have Canales?! fired in Carolina and take our OC job. He has the Meidus touch with QBs
 

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Why? Could he have miraculously fixed the OLine? Hilarious.
Seattle's OL was still something we were all complaining about back in the 2018-2020 seasons, but Solari & Schotty made the run game work well despite the fact that they didn't have a top 10 OL. It's just my opinion that Charbs is the type of RB that would have been a big part of the offense under Schotty & Solari.
 
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