Fade
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I would be more concerned if changes aren't made to the coaching staff ahead of 2023.
I'm interested. What changes to the coaching staff do you anticipate? It's almost '23 now.
I would be more concerned if changes aren't made to the coaching staff ahead of 2023.
I don't know if Carroll will retire but he's not going to be in charge 5 years from now. It's a when not an if. If the franchise is about to invest in a new QB, (this year or next), it would make sense to have the next HC make that call. There should be a change at DC regardless of what happens at HC. The DC should come from outside the Seahawks and the new DC should be able to bring in several new position coaches.I'm interested. What changes to the coaching staff do you anticipate? It's almost '23 now.
I don't know if Carroll will retire but he's not going to be in charge 5 years from now. It's a when not an if. If the franchise is about to invest in a new QB, (this year or next), it would make sense to have the next HC make that call. There should be a change at DC regardless of what happens at HC. The DC should come from outside the Seahawks and the new DC should be able to bring in several new position coaches.
This year always looked like a 9+ win or bust type season for Carroll. It's unfair, but it is what it is.
Yeah, I think Carroll at least needs to get the Holmgren treatment. He needs to be stripped of his ability to make calls over Schneider. I think he needs some accountability at this point because the same garbage has been happening again and again for years. Even the offense is starting to look like a tired old derivative of the same stuff we saw under Russell Wilson.The thing with Pete is. Is guys like him will never give it up. You'll have to take the keys from grandpa, if you will. Pete is the top of the hierarchy. No one can tell him "no." Save for Judy. But Judy apparently believes wholeheartedly in Pete. And is enabling this dysfunction we've seen on the field to continue in the hopes it can return to what it was 10 years ago.
Paul would've made a change a couple of years ago. Either limiting his power like he did to Holmgren, or find a new guy. Instead we're just stuck. Pete isn't retiring, he has no problems coaching to 80 if the owner lets him.
Do you think Judy will fire him if he doesn't win 9 games this year?
Let’s talk about Darrell Taylor a little. The guy jumped offsides at the end of the first quarter when obviously the Niners were just trying to get a jump on 4th and 7. I don’t know why they did that because even after the jump it was still 4th and 2 and they still had to punt. But still an unbelievably stupid thing to do. Also earlier in the season he ran to the field from the sidelines to participate in the game in the middle of the action.
It's dangerous to have a guy that dumb on the field, but this dude is too dangerously dumb to have even in the sidelines..
So yeah. The Dline needs a lot. The scheme doesn’t work, the players are not good and the coaching can’t fix either issue.
On fourth down? He did have a lot of offsides. But I dont remember if they were in obvious "make them jump" situations.Michael Bennet did this all the time...
I wouldn't doubt for 1 second that this same roster could be top 15 with a competent coach who not only adapts the defense to best suit his players, but also knows how to game plan his opponents.
No ha. He never ran on the field. But the dude turned a lot of 3rd and shorts into 1st downs. And 3rd and longs into manageable situations.On fourth down? He did have a lot of offsides. But I dont remember if they were in obvious "make them jump" situations.
I dont think he ever ran on the field mid-play from the sidelines?
That's a fair way to chronicle what the value of the trade ended up being. But that's not how you'd evaluate investment decisions or how a business would evaluate its performance. So if your thesis is to look at what Pete and John invested in this defense compared to Team X, then it's a misrepresentation made with the benefit of hindsight.I debated whether to go with that logic, but ultimately when those assets are spent that is the risk, and price incurred.
If they don't trade for Adams they have those picks to spend for themselves at those values, and they are worth what they are worth. The other teams were scored the same way. The damage is done.
I know you already know this, but I will extrapolate it further so it is fully understood.That's a fair way to chronicle what the value of the trade ended up being. But that's not how you'd evaluate investment decisions or how a business would evaluate its performance. So if your thesis is to look at what Pete and John invested in this defense compared to Team X, then it's a misrepresentation made with the benefit of hindsight.
So, for example, if we did this with the Wilson trade, then Seattle, as of now, got around 1700(+-100)* in draft value rather than the value given up at the time, which was about 1000*. Using your logic, we'd assume this is a master stroke by the Seahawks front office for not only predicting Wilson's decline into a bottom 5 QB but also that the Broncos would have an injury-ravaged season and lose seven games on the final drive.
*It's hard to value the other players in that deal.
I absolve JS from this mess.Thanks for posting. Upon initial read, this isn’t a good look for PC and JS.
Judge Jody! Good one.Great thread Fade.
Those are truly eye opening numbers you've presented, and I hope Judge Jody takes a look at what you've spent a great deal of time and effort breaking down for us
Didn't he pick a basketball player once as a conversion project and try and "learn him up"?Cable used to pick the O-Lineman, not JS. JS would catch the blame for it though. Eventually it got so bad they stripped Cable of picking O-Lineman. It had became a running joke that JS couldn't draft OL for those specifically unaware that Cable was actually picking the OL.
They were first rounders but a long time ago. Armstead was drafted in 2015 and jimmy in 2014. They have played through their rookie contracts and were resigned as free agents. I think ward may even be on his third contract. So in a way, any team could have signed them , Seahawks included, but likely for more money.In fairness, Armstead and J Ward are first round picks By SF too. They have drafted well but also invested high draft capital in that defense.
Yes, but it still shows the 49’s investment in their Defense. Their own original 1st round picks and that they have spent the money to retain them. Significant investments in the D.They were first rounders but a long time ago. Armstead was drafted in 2015 and jimmy in 2014. They have played through their rookie contracts and were resigned as free agents. I think ward may even be on his third contract. So in a way, any team could have signed them , Seahawks included, but likely for more money.