The myth of poor protection and the dominant Rams D

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There's a trend toward blaming the o line in part for the bad performance against the Rams. So, after having a day to get over being pissed at us giving a game away and then having to hear about how great the Rams D is, i took a look at the coaches film. When you look at the tape, the fact is that the errors were far less a result of a great Rams defense confusing a QB as they were simply bad plays by Sam. Their front didnt trouble us into INTs, nor did any complex coverages on their part. We just screwed up. What is obvious and disturbing (but also comforting) is that Sam is making stupid mistakes. The plays, in the case of every INT but the last one, could have been successful. I dont cover the last one here because it was simply a case of Sam making a decision on an improvised play. Kubiak is calling a solid game and giving his QB options. Sam just isnt taking them, either because he doesnt see them, feel them or just ignores them. I think its some of each.

And contrary to what some want to believe, the protection was better than good enough on 2 of the 4 INTs and had Sam read the rush properly on the INT to JSN in the 3rd, it would have been good enough to at least avoid a negative play. Instead, on that play, he has Bradford and Lucas doubling a DT with an EDGE coming inside on a stunt. Charbs should have picked up the stunt but the outside flat to the right was wide open for Sam to run or toss it to Charbs for a nice gain in the flat. Instead, as you will see, he ignores the obvious free rusher and chucks it up.

These errors SHOULD be correctable but with the exception of the last INT that came from a forced scramble, NONE of the INTS should even remotely have happened in the first place. Kubiak can draw up the right plays (and he did) and reiterate what SHOULD happen on them, but at the end of the day, the QB has to execute and rely on solid instincts to complete the task.

The first INT with the right read is an 80 yard TD to JSN or a short gain to Walker

The INT to Arroyo SHOULD have been an easy 10 yard gain to Shaheed OR a nice pickup to Barner

The INT to JSN SHOULD have been at worst a sack or could have been a flush right for a drop-off to Charbonet in the flat. There was no need to throw that ball against one coverage with your WR with his back turned and the defender watching the ball in flight.

On a positive note, we are (when the QB doesnt mess up) are probably the best team in the NFC. Our D limited a MVP candidate QB to 55 yards n the 1st qtr and then 25 yards in each qtr the rest of the way. we limited them to something like 2-11 on third down and held them to well under 300 total yards. On the other side of the ball, our offense dominated them and schematically was good enough to win easily. But if the QB doesnt make the plays that are there for him to be made, it doesnt matter.

We are better than the rest of the NFC West and if we can manage to not drop a game that we shouldnt drop, can still win it if we beat the Colts, Rams and 9ers. That should be doable. If we do that, we are in contention for the one seed and HFA.

But it will all come down to the QB. Games like the one he had against the Rams cannot happen again. Zero sacks surrendered. 3 QB hits over a full game and 44 pass attempts. That should be good enough.




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Well I’ve certainly been waiting for a breakdown like this, I did suspect that Oline play was part of the problem.

If my suspicions were incorrect, I pray that your analysis is correct.

Hopefully they can address and get past whatever the actual problem was.
 

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Great write up with images man!

I personally think this was the Rams time to win.

Seattle lost the battle but will win the war!

Seattle will definitely learn from this!

Rams will have to deal with Seattle in the playoffs, again!

I am certain!

I think you can bet your house on Rams and Hawks playing in the playoffs.

I'd actually be more interested in a bet where the Rams and Hawks don't play in the playoffs. How does that even happen?
 

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Well I’ve certainly been waiting for a breakdown like this, I did suspect that Oline play was part of the problem.

If my suspicions were incorrect, I pray that your analysis is correct.

Hopefully they can address and get past whatever the actual problem was.

IMO: the difference in this game was Stafford.

He didn't freak out when pressured and handled it like a pro. His game is being called bad by stats, but he got his team a Win in spite of that.
 
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IMO: the difference in this game was Stafford.

He didn't freak out when pressured and handled it like a pro. His game is being called bad by stats, but he got his team a Win in spite of that.
100% But he got lucky a lot too, with balls that were off a good bit.
 

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To add: one of the reasons a vet QB gets lucky is he has seen it all. He knows you get lucky on some and unlucky also.

ETA: you can only claim luck as a bad thing to your team, if you also acknowledge it as a good thing to your team.
 
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so in your QB assessments: lucky is not allowed?

If your QB gets lucky, are you disallowing those stats in your final report?
so in your QB assessments: lucky is not allowed?

If your QB gets lucky, are you disallowing those stats in your final report?
Didn't say lucky wasn't allowed, only that it wasn't all the result of savvy vet experience. But chances are if your experience gets you 80% of the way to success or avoiding failure, you dont need much luck in the end. But he was definitely lucky a few times.
 
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100% But he got lucky a lot too, with balls that were off a good bit.
And if you are saying there was no luck involved, thats basically saying it took a masterclass in qb play to finish 15/28 for 135 yards against our D. Which pretty much makes our D all-worldm considering how Stafford has been lighting up everyone else
 

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I still dont get why there are rams and niner fans on this board

Why would there not be?

I have Hawks fans (from here) and Niners fans and Cards fans in my Rams Game Day Chat.

I think what you are saying is: I only want to talk to fans of my team, I don't like anyone else.
 

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Didn't say lucky wasn't allowed, only that it wasn't all the result of savvy vet experience. But chances are if your experience gets you 80% of the way to success or avoiding failure, you dont need much luck in the end. But he was definitely lucky a few times.

I am only saying that Luck plays a part with experience. Mostly that experience means you have seen more luck than those who have no experience.

Luck is always there. the more experienced have seen it more, and will continue to push it and so WILL GET LUCKY.

Darnold is still clawing his way to even be good. He has a lot to prove, and the Seahawks are his vehicle right now.
 

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And if you are saying there was no luck involved, thats basically saying it took a masterclass in qb play to finish 15/28 for 135 yards against our D. Which pretty much makes our D all-worldm considering how Stafford has been lighting up everyone else

Lost some respect for you on this post.
 

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IMO: the difference in this game was Stafford.

He didn't freak out when pressured and handled it like a pro. His game is being called bad by stats, but he got his team a Win in spite of that.
I’ll give it to Satfford, he’s been in the McVay system for a while now, so, advantage definitely goes to Stafford but considering Seattle was still in position to win the game while having 4 turnovers and the defense still playing at an elite level, Seattle, is not far behind the Rams.

We’ll be back! And hopefully, with all starters healthy!
 

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I’ll give it to Satfford, he’s been in the McVay system for a while now, so, advantage definitely goes to Stafford but considering Seattle was still in position to win the game while having 4 turnovers and the defense still playing at an elite level, Seattle, is not far behind the Rams.

We’ll be back! And hopefully, with all starters healthy!

Agree!

IMO: Rams and Hawks are the two best teams in the NFL right now.
 

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