Seahawks asking for a 1st from the Cowboys for Earl

[QuahHawk]

So now who holds all the cards. If Dallas really made this move to get Early they are either very close on the deal or Dallas is meeting Seattle's demand. That 1st and 3rd was floating around. I would be stoked to get a 1st anything else is just a bonus.

 

[Elemas]

Always get a kick out of "let's trade this guy, who is incredible, so we don't have to pay them and gamble on an unproven pick" talk.
Logic....forsaken.

 

[2_0_6]

Always get a kick out of "let's trade this guy, who is incredible, so we don't have to pay them and gamble on an unproven pick" talk.
Logic....forsaken.

Always love the "hey lets keep the guy regardless of the cost" mantra even though he will likely walk next year with only a comp pick compensation.

Genius!

 

[Elemas]

What cost? He's still signed. You're going to have to pay at some point. Unless, you're approaching this as a rebuild? If that's the case, I suppose it makes perfect sense. Oh...that and trading Russell Wilson as well because, "keeping the guy regardless of cost" is a bad idea.

Genius!

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

What cost? He's still signed. You're going to have to pay at some point. Unless, you're approaching this as a rebuild? If that's the case, I suppose it makes perfect sense. Oh...that and trading Russell Wilson as well because, "keeping the guy regardless of cost" is a bad idea.

Genius!

Why does it have to be labeled a rebuild, just because we trade Earl?

Can we just call it a smart business decision? Weird occurrences in the media, old in football years, considered retirement and came back for money, potential hold out, wants huge guaranteed $$$ and years past age 30. Despite all of that, he still has pretty solid trade value. Better to trade now than live with a contract you regret and likely declining play. The cost and ultimately risk to long term success could be very high in holding onto him and paying what he demands.

Sure, next year we might not be as good, but you have to move on (reasons stated help facilitate). The good teams do it before it’s too late. Grow new talent. Holding on to guys that made it to the top with another version of the team isn’t always the right call. 3rd contracts are generally dangerous.

Russ and QB in general is an entirely separate situation and convo. Bit of hyperbole there in your example.

 

[Elemas]

What cost? He's still signed. You're going to have to pay at some point. Unless, you're approaching this as a rebuild? If that's the case, I suppose it makes perfect sense. Oh...that and trading Russell Wilson as well because, "keeping the guy regardless of cost" is a bad idea.

Genius!

Why does it have to be labeled a rebuild, just because we trade Earl?

Can we just call it a smart business decision? Weird occurrences in the media, old in football years, considered retirement and came back for money, potential hold out, wants huge guaranteed $$$ and years past age 30. Despite all of that, he still has pretty solid trade value. Better to trade now than live with a contract you regret and likely declining play. The cost and ultimately risk to long term success could be very high in holding onto him and paying what he demands.

Sure, next year we might not be as good, but you have to move on (reasons stated help facilitate). The good teams do it before it’s too late. Grow new talent. Holding on to guys that made it to the top with another version of the team isn’t always the right call. 3rd contracts are generally dangerous.

Russ and QB in general is an entirely separate situation and convo. Bit of hyperbole there in your example.

Earl Thomas is 28. I agree that he has solid trade value but, what player worth their weight doesn't? My point with the rebuild talk is simply that I've heard both players names thrown around as if next season is already lost. Far from a hyperbole...these things are being mentioned in these forums.

At some point...you will have to pay up. 2014's scenario isn't likely to repeat (budget wise).

Everyone has an opinion...personally, I'd like to keep ET. Dallas' latest move may have already paved the way though.

 

[lukerguy]

You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.

 

[Elemas]

You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.

My sentiments exactly. I'd rather him NOT walk next year.

But...the posts in this thread aren't without warrant. Loosing ET would hurt though...

 

[scutterhawk]

he needs to be a better teammate

Earl Thomas has the same leadership qualities as Bobby Wagner. He leads by the example of his extraordinary work ethic.

Agreed, only, I would add the word NUCLEUS....ET has EXTREME value as a Lawyer Melloy (sp) type translator, he has the ability to coordinate & tie up all the loose ends in the Secondary.
Getting the other players in the secondary positioned to cover for the other teams Offensive tendencies.
Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman & Kam Chancellor HAD a three way mind meld when it came to field positioning.
Sadly though, ET could force the Seahawks to either pay up, or trade his ass for the best OFFERS in the upcoming Draft..........It's busine$$

 

[Cyrus12]

You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.

Yes...he is not staying here passed this season. He is not getting extended so why keep him this year? Get something now instead of nothing after this season.

 

[hawknation2018]

You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.

Yes...he is not staying here passed this season. He is not getting extended so why keep him this year? Get something now instead of nothing after this season.

Franchise Tag or extension. Plenty of cap space.

 

[jammerhawk]

Always get a kick out of "let's trade this guy, who is incredible, so we don't have to pay them and gamble on an unproven pick" talk.
Logic....forsaken.

Always love the "hey lets keep the guy regardless of the cost" mantra even though he will likely walk next year with only a comp pick compensation.

Genius!

The team only gets comp pick compensation if the incoming signings are less than the outgoings. As we’ve noticed this offseason that situation hasn’t happened for us despite the loss of many quality FAs because of the roster depth depth of numbers. Accordingly the certainty of knowing the compensation for Earl is better than hoping for a potential 3rd rd. pick in 2020. Let’s assess this rationally isn’t a 2018 possible 2nd and 3rd better than the equivalent of a 2018 5th?9

Even if the team only got a couple of multiple picks 2nd and 3rd this draft that is far better compensation than a 2020 5th.

Let’s all think rationally on the trade/not trade Thomas subject.

I love the player and think he is a an exceptional and special player at his position BUT there is no way the team is going to give Thomas a 3rd contract at the level he wants of $70 million approx. with approx. half of that guaranteed. That contract won’t even make him paid better than Eric Berry and Earl is a better player by a significant quantum than Berry. In all this is a silly discussion or would be for the Patriots, who always do what is in the best interests of the team. I will be sad if he’s traded b/c I love the player as a player but in the end I remain a fan of the Seahawks w/o Bennett, Sherman, Thomas, or Chancellor, or Avril.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.

Yes...he is not staying here passed this season. He is not getting extended so why keep him this year?

Because he's good?

Seriously, object permanence is at an all-time low around here. All I really have to do is post an Earl Thomas highlights video on here and people would quickly remember how many of our playoff runs wouldn't have happened without his clutch plays, instead of being so enamored with a potential fourth-round comp pick that could just as easily become Kris Durham as KJ Wright. But I can't post the video - I had Youtube blocked on my home laptop so I wouldn't waste so much time watching vids of fanmade Halo maps.

I realize this isn't intangible, but that clutch gene matters. Few players in the NFL exhibit it, and Earl does. He also makes player around him better.

Do I want him extended beyond 2018? Nah, his physical gift really will start to diminish past then, leaving him out of position for such clutch plays. But one more year of karate-chopping footballs out of various Rams' hands at the 0.4 yard line? Yeah, I think that's worth it right now.

And for those of you worried about injury, let's keep in mind that people are still wringing their hands over having let Max Unger loose - and they wanted him gone because of injury risk.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Always get a kick out of "let's trade this guy, who is incredible, so we don't have to pay them and gamble on an unproven pick" talk.
Logic....forsaken.

I'd love for Thomas to stick around, but the guy is becoming a problem. He has mulled over retirement on twitter, he went into the Cowboys locker room, and told them to "come and get him". Thomas also publicly called out his teammates via twitter. He has conducted himself in a most unprofessional manor. The writing is on the wall, Thomas has checked out, I don't think he buys into Pete Carroll anymore.

I don't necessarily think people want to let him go per say, they just don't like the baggage and and drama that he is bringing to the team. He is a great player, but given his actions, and twitter rants --- it is clear he really doesn't want to be in Seattle all that much. I don't even really think his mind is in the game anymore.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Let's get real there not resigning him after this season so now is the time to trade him or get nothing . Then there's the stunt he pulled in Dallas last year and the talk of a holdout. Were rebuilding the roster so this is the time and I think it's almost a certainty that he is traded in the next 2 weeks.

 

[Seahawkwalt1967]

Let's get real there not resigning him after this season so now is the time to trade him or get nothing . Then there's the stunt he pulled in Dallas last year and the talk of a holdout. Were rebuilding the roster so this is the time and I think it's almost a certainty that he is traded in the next 2 weeks.

Spot on...
I think Dallas caves and gives up a first.. they are all in w Dak being on his rookie contract

 

[Elemas]

With a rebuild, I see it. Emotions get involved when you see one of your favorite players on the chopping block. Even with a few rhetorical posts, I see the writing on the wall....

It doesn't make it easier to accept lol.

Sherm, Cliff, Kam, Sheldon....possibly ET too? I'm sure ET sees the writing on the wall as well. Perhaps that has drove some of his actions.

He's one of three players that, at this point, I'd truly hate to loose. B-Wags and RW being the others.

But...if he's out....he's out. If we can nab a Barkley or similar talent, it would ease the suffering.

Witnessing teams such as the Rams...he'll, even the expectations on the retooled Niners start to build.....

/depressed #ItsABusiness

 

[Gibbo]

https://instagram.com/p/Bhjm9V2Dy5Q/

Earl being cryptic?

 

[IrishNW]

If Earl is causing tension on this team just get rid of him.

Yes hes an elite player. no we wont replace him probably ever.

Will our team be better without him? yes

 

[vin.couve12]

Let's get real there not resigning him after this season so now is the time to trade him or get nothing . Then there's the stunt he pulled in Dallas last year and the talk of a holdout. Were rebuilding the roster so this is the time and I think it's almost a certainty that he is traded in the next 2 weeks.

Spot on...
I think Dallas caves and gives up a first.. they are all in w Dak being on his rookie contract

Why do that when they can have a shot at James or Reid? Their being tight on cap space doesn't even affect that decision either.