Time to move on from Jason Myers.

[flv2]

$5m is what? 2% of the cap.

A minimum wage rookie K would cost $840K. Is Myers $4M+ better? I'm not saying Myers should be cut, but there's a value-for-money discussion to be had.

 

[m0ng0]

Dude had been nothing but solid for us, not sure why we were pearl clutching here

 

[IndyHawk]

Dude had been nothing but solid for us, not sure why we were pearl clutching here

He's bad in odd years -weird thing but true.

 

[DarkVictory23]

A minimum wage rookie K would cost $840K. Is Myers $4M+ better? I'm not saying Myers should be cut, but there's a value-for-money discussion to be had.

It is a valuable discussion to be had, but I think I'd look at it in a slightly different way: Is what you buy with a more reliable kicker worth that cost vs. what else you are spending that cap on?

Is being able to adjust your gameplan because you know you have a particular distance FG as an insurance worth an extra $2-3M (we still have Myers dead cap hit even if he's not here, so we won't actually save $4M+)? Is that amount of yardage you can subtract from what you need to get in a game winning drive worth that much?

And, importantly, what are you getting for that $2-3M that is actually more valuable than those things?

I think it's easy to get into a situation of being penny wise, but pound foolish if you get too myopic in just Kicker A vs. Kicker B instead of what you are actually paying for.

Not that this means Myers should be considered untouchable, rather I don't think there is many places where you can get a better ROI than solid kicking play and I personally would only be on board replacing Myers with a better/more reliable kicker, rather than a cheaper one.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I wouldn't move on. Won't save very much and the savings difference from what you get to replace him, does it make sense? He's one of the better kickers in the league to be honest. I know he struggles more every odd year but that's not justifiable.

 

[Appyhawk]

On his bad days Myers is still one of the best kickers in the league. His missed extra points opps infuriate me, but having a guy who pretty consistently scores from beyond 50 yards is priceless.

 

[Seahawker]

Tyler Loop Arizona.
One of 6 specialist invited to combine.
If anyone could break the 66 yd FG mark it would be Loop. Towering 4 sec KO's and can punt. Solid kid. Someone could take him early day 3.
There are 5 strong kickers in this draft.

 

[flv2]

It is a valuable discussion to be had, but I think I'd look at it in a slightly different way: Is what you buy with a more reliable kicker worth that cost vs. what else you are spending that cap on?

Is being able to adjust your gameplan because you know you have a particular distance FG as an insurance worth an extra $2-3M (we still have Myers dead cap hit even if he's not here, so we won't actually save $4M+)? Is that amount of yardage you can subtract from what you need to get in a game winning drive worth that much?

And, importantly, what are you getting for that $2-3M that is actually more valuable than those things?

I think it's easy to get into a situation of being penny wise, but pound foolish if you get too myopic in just Kicker A vs. Kicker B instead of what you are actually paying for.

Not that this means Myers should be considered untouchable, rather I don't think there is many places where you can get a better ROI than solid kicking play and I personally would only be on board replacing Myers with a better/more reliable kicker, rather than a cheaper one.

There's $1.875M of dead money being accounted for in 2025 and another $1.875M scheduled for 2026. All of it has to be accounted for. Wanting to account for the 2nd $1.875M in 2026 rather than 2025 isn't a good enough reason to keep a player if he isn't worth his salary. If cap space was going to be that critical the Seahawks would have converted the maximum possible amount of Smith's 2024 salary into a signing bonus. Instead they left his 2024 salary at $12.7M when they converted his 2024 roster bonus into a signing bonus.

Again, i'm not saying he is, or isn't, a good use of salary cap cash.

 

[DarkVictory23]

There's $1.875M of dead money being accounted for in 2025 and another $1.875M scheduled for 2026. All of it has to be accounted for. Wanting to account for the 2nd $1.875M in 2026 rather than 2025 isn't a good enough reason to keep a player if he isn't worth his salary. If cap space was going to be that critical the Seahawks would have converted the maximum possible amount of Smith's 2024 salary into a signing bonus. Instead they left his 2024 salary at $12.7M when they converted his 2024 roster bonus into a signing bonus.

Again, i'm not saying he is, or isn't, a good use of salary cap cash.

I get how his salary works (I did ignore a potential post-June 1st designation in terms of cap savings this year, so my bad there), but my overarching point was that I don't think comparing his contract to a different kicker is even the right way to frame the discussion.

If we save $2M or $4M this year, what is the equivalent spend we are going to do that has as valuable of an ROI as a reliable kicking game and the flexibility that affords you?

Put simply--replace Myers with a better kicker, not a cheaper kicker. Obviously, all else being equal, a cheaper contract is better, but all else is rarely equal.

If Tyer Loop is that guy (as Seahawker mentioned), ok, but then we are talking about opportunity cost in the draft which is a completely different argument. (And I'm sure lots of Seahawks fans would have strong opinions about the idea of Seattle using a draft pick on a kicker...)

 

[HawaiiD]

Thanks for posting that Hawaii.
Glory days.
7/11 onside kicks in 2 years.
Howard Cosell narration hilarious.
Efren Herrera was a stud and never got enough credit for what he did on the field. One of a kind.

Yup and he wasn't afraid to lay the wood. All incoming NFL kickers should watch this video. If people
calls Michael Dickson "Big Balls" Dickson?Efren should be called
"King Kong Balls" Herrera.
Love his player profile picture looks like a psycho El Chapo dude