SoulfishHawk
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Josh Allen is a beast. But......he's 0-5 in overtime games.
Is Geno Clutch Enough Now?
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Rainger
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And many on here who would call RW a HOF qb would never question him. He went to supposedly better team . Team Russ 5 wins in 2 years team Geno 10. Hmmmmmm.
Oh that's right I'm sorry I forgot it is the coaches and olines that RW has.
Geno greater than the beloved RW by a long shot. Proof in the pudding.
You guys still waiting to see more don't need it. You just need to open your eyes and see. It.
I can't see why there would be any question about Geno. It doesn't get much harder than it was against Detroit at home in their home opener. To me he answered all questions
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Dear God man. We all get it. Russ is Satan, he was never good. He sucked. He never won any big games. Geno is better than Russ ever was. Blah blah blah.
Not EVERY thread has to turn in to a Russ thread. Dude has been gone since March of 2022. GTF over it........
He's gone, it's a good thing. We have a good thing going now. Good enough.
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Russ was a beast in his prime. He no longer is. He's not our problem now.
Geno is a good QB who looks to be on the rise.
Geno is a good QB who looks to be on the rise.
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I think he's clutch enough and from all I have heard, so do his teammates.
That has to mean something.
That has to mean something.
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post above is some high caliber reality.
Russ was a fkn beast, we couldn’t beat him seemingly ever. jfc not even last year.
And Geno is dam good. Seems like he really clicked with his tight ends in that Lions game.
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Mahomes, Allen, and Burrows have all won playoff games and/or either been to the Super Bowl or won it. They've earned the right to have an off day. Herbert and Geno are in roughly the same group. They both have things to prove.
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Mahomes is special, and just might go down as the GOAT before he is done. He's got a ways to go to catch up to Brady's SBs but if anyone can do it, he can. There's no other QB in the league like him.
Allen has not been to a Super Bowl.
Joe Burrow has PLENTY to prove after becoming the highest paid player in football.
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Mahomes is special, and just might go down as the GOAT before he is done. He's got a ways to go to catch up to Brady's SBs but if anyone can do it, he can. There's no other QB in the league like him.
Allen has not been to a Super Bowl.
Joe Burrow has PLENTY to prove after becoming the highest paid player in football.
I agree on Mahomes.
Indeed. I forgot the "and/or". He hasn't but he revived the Bills from decades of poor QB play. He deserves a lot of credit for being a near 50% completion rate at Wyoming to where he is now. They're consistently in the hunt because of him. He just needs to learn to play a little smarter. It would help if they had a true running back.
Burrow does have a lot to prove now with his massive contract but it can't be discredited how he's taken the Bengals to the next level despite a sometimes terrible offensive line. Carson Palmer could've been a great but was never completely the same for them after his injury in the 2005 playoffs. Andy Dalton also had all of the talent to get to the next level but he turned the ball over too much to be consistent when he needed to be. He did lead them to the playoffs but he could never get them over the hump. I'd put him in the same group as Geno and Herbert if he were playing now.
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Geno is good enough for where we are right now. He fits this team well.
Hats off for the nice game yesterday.
He will ultimately be judged by how he performs against the heavy weights. SF and Philly specifically.
Soak it in, we could still be cookin’ with Russ……
Hats off for the nice game yesterday.
He will ultimately be judged by how he performs against the heavy weights. SF and Philly specifically.
Soak it in, we could still be cookin’ with Russ……
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Exactly. It's a team sport, and the Seahawks won this game as a team. The strength of the team made up for a few individual miscues during the game -- by Geno as well as by others.
My view is that nobody is clutch. There's a sizeable chunk of research that suggests the number of players who perform better than they normally do in key situations (Reggie Jackson) is what you would also expect due to luck alone.
Most of the time, "clutch" players are simply good players that do well most of the time. A famous example is Michael Jordan, who hit a lot of game winning shots and is often listed as the clutchest athlete in history. However, his efficiency in high leverage situations was statistically comparable to his normal efficiency. He was a good player who made a lot of shots, and a lot of those ended up being significant.
To relate it to the Seahawks, Lockett certainly had a clutch TD in OT to win the game yesterday. However, couldn't that just be because he's a good player and he tends to catch touchdowns when given the opportunity at any stage during the game? There's no evidence that he does better in high leverage situations than low leverage ones, he's just usually quite good. If you give good players opportunities in key moments they will tend to do well and you'll think they are clutch, even if they are only performing at their own average.
On the other hand, "Anti-clutch" does exist and some players do perform worse in important situations. There are very persuasive extreme examples of this such as Rick Ankiel or Bobby Ayala in baseball. However, in the vast majority of cases IMO this is completely overblown and any variance can be easily explained by a small sample size or playing better competition in bigger games.
For example, I've seen Hasselback on a number of national lists for "not being clutch." After all, he lost his only trip to the Super Bowl, and his most famous playoff moment is the guarantee that backfired. Seahawk fans can easily dispute that, pointing out many times when Hass made key completions in important situations, and how he had the significantly better performance in the Super Bowl than the opposing QB but many other factors besides his play swung the outcome.
As far as the topic goes, I don't see a reasonable case for considering Geno to be anti-clutch. He played well in relief of Russ in 2021 with minimal preparation, and the fact that we lost those first three games was fully a team effort. Lockett literally fell down on his only interception of that entire four game stretch. Last year, that opening game against the Broncos came with an intense level of pressure, and Geno responded by playing amazing.
Geno isn't perfect and he's certainly capable of making a game losing mistake, but he's also demonstrated plenty of game winning throws. He's a pretty good NFL QB who can succeed if given the right support around him, and the discussion about clutch is rooted in fans who are uncomfortable with the randomness that lies behind sports.
Most of the time, "clutch" players are simply good players that do well most of the time. A famous example is Michael Jordan, who hit a lot of game winning shots and is often listed as the clutchest athlete in history. However, his efficiency in high leverage situations was statistically comparable to his normal efficiency. He was a good player who made a lot of shots, and a lot of those ended up being significant.
To relate it to the Seahawks, Lockett certainly had a clutch TD in OT to win the game yesterday. However, couldn't that just be because he's a good player and he tends to catch touchdowns when given the opportunity at any stage during the game? There's no evidence that he does better in high leverage situations than low leverage ones, he's just usually quite good. If you give good players opportunities in key moments they will tend to do well and you'll think they are clutch, even if they are only performing at their own average.
On the other hand, "Anti-clutch" does exist and some players do perform worse in important situations. There are very persuasive extreme examples of this such as Rick Ankiel or Bobby Ayala in baseball. However, in the vast majority of cases IMO this is completely overblown and any variance can be easily explained by a small sample size or playing better competition in bigger games.
For example, I've seen Hasselback on a number of national lists for "not being clutch." After all, he lost his only trip to the Super Bowl, and his most famous playoff moment is the guarantee that backfired. Seahawk fans can easily dispute that, pointing out many times when Hass made key completions in important situations, and how he had the significantly better performance in the Super Bowl than the opposing QB but many other factors besides his play swung the outcome.
As far as the topic goes, I don't see a reasonable case for considering Geno to be anti-clutch. He played well in relief of Russ in 2021 with minimal preparation, and the fact that we lost those first three games was fully a team effort. Lockett literally fell down on his only interception of that entire four game stretch. Last year, that opening game against the Broncos came with an intense level of pressure, and Geno responded by playing amazing.
Geno isn't perfect and he's certainly capable of making a game losing mistake, but he's also demonstrated plenty of game winning throws. He's a pretty good NFL QB who can succeed if given the right support around him, and the discussion about clutch is rooted in fans who are uncomfortable with the randomness that lies behind sports.
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Dead facts.
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Be angry at me but please understand NiL changed everything and Caleb doesn't need to get put in a terrible situation because he's going to do an Eli Manning on steroids. Don't be mad at me be mad as the the NFL that obviously allows dumping entire seasons Indianapolis keeps doing it and ruined Luck and are doing exactly the same with Richardson. Irsay is a horrible human being with the luck of having generational money. Arizona is even more obvious this year. And Geno isn't worth 40-50 million EVER. He isn't worth what he's getting this year at all.
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^Not totally true; when it got down & dirty in OT, he took his team down field & threw a quick pass to Lockett and clinched the win.
I voted that I needed to see a little more from Geno, but in all but one bad play (like many other considered really good QB's do), he came through.
MizzouHawkGal
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Typical he does good against a team that is pretty even with us and you think he's Tom Brady so do it against teams and coaches we need to be beat or it means nothing. Still 8-9/9-8 as usual I want change even if you don't. I was hoping that the wheels would fall off so Jody might actually give a **** but Pete is the master of barely average and almost relevant why can't he realize that the NFL has completely passed him by and just retire? Geno Smith and Drew Lock seriously?
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