Geno Smith the headcase

[SeaWolv]

I stick to my opinion. Goff > gePICK

Your prerogative but Goff has 2,761 yds, 20 TDs and 9 picks. Better but not a lot better than Geno. He's also had 4 double digit pick years in his previous 8 seasons and likely to have his 5th out of 9 seasons this year. He had 5 picks in ONE game.

Grass is always greener.....

 

[Mase]

-- First, despite all my criticisms, I do want to commend Geno for battling through these last two games with the line challenges and lack of running game.
-- Now to long term viability. It simply is what it is. This is the Geno, the good and the bad. Can he be more efficient with better offensive balance, of course, but Geno himself is who he is.
-- I have said since he started his first game for us, that Geno is extremely talented. But his processing lets him, and by extension us, down. I always think there are three types of interceptions, the panic, the bad choice, and the F it throw. Geno's picks are a mix of the panic and bad choice throws. One of my gripes with him is that very few are the F it throws. His belief that he can rocket it into that player who is only mostly covered. The reason those are preferable is that they tend to even out over a season. Some would be picks, but double that many would be touchdowns. Think about it, how many picks does Geno have, where he threw to a player who was "covered", and the ball was intercepted by the player in coverage. It isn't many if any. His picks come from locking in early and almost always picked by someone coming from off ball that he didn't read, or him tipping his hand early.

-- If Geno was 24, I would be all for working through the growing pains, but at this point, it is a feature, not a bug.

Mase

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Your prerogative but Goff has 2,761 yds, 20 TDs and 9 picks. Better but not a lot better than Geno. He's also had 4 double digit pick years in his previous 8 seasons and likely to have his 5th out of 9 seasons this year. He had 5 picks in ONE game.

Grass is always greener.....

And he's better.

 

[SeaWolv]

-- First, despite all my criticisms, I do want to commend Geno for battling through these last two games with the line challenges and lack of running game.
-- Now to long term viability. It simply is what it is. This is the Geno, the good and the bad. Can he be more efficient with better offensive balance, of course, but Geno himself is who he is.
-- I have said since he started his first game for us, that Geno is extremely talented. But his processing lets him, and by extension us, down. I always think there are three types of interceptions, the panic, the bad choice, and the F it throw. Geno's picks are a mix of the panic and bad choice throws. One of my gripes with him is that very few are the F it throws. His belief that he can rocket it into that player who is only mostly covered. The reason those are preferable is that they tend to even out over a season. Some would be picks, but double that many would be touchdowns. Think about it, how many picks does Geno have, where he threw to a player who was "covered", and the ball was intercepted by the player in coverage. It isn't many if any. His picks come from locking in early and almost always picked by someone coming from off ball that he didn't read, or him tipping his hand early.

-- If Geno was 24, I would be all for working through the growing pains, but at this point, it is a feature, not a bug.

Mase

This is a reasonable take and I've said all along he's not the long term answer but he'll do for a short term answer until the front office can find MM's guy to build the team around. I was hoping last draft it would have been McCarthy but that ship sailed so we'll see who they tap to be their guy. I suspect it may not be next draft but possibly 2027, unless Sam Howell can show he's ready to step into the role and beat out Geno for QB1.

 

[IndyHawk]

I just think Geno is quite overrated on here and gets a LOT of excuses for his mistakes. That's all.
I get blasted for it on the regular, and that's fine.

One thing is, Geno passes way too much - so better chances of TOs.
I'd love to see what he does with a more balanced attack and an average
line.
I'm frustrated watching this offense, I don't think it's Geno.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's part of it, but yes the offense is frustrating.

 

[SeaWolv]

The OLine just got a significant upgrade with Lucas and Oluwatimi but they both need time to improve and perhaps things like the run game will benefit when they do.

 

[Ostatehawk]

When Geno first started for the Hawks I remember being relieved that he would take what was available and simply move the ball. I was also thrilled we didn't have to watch the play clock get to zero on nearly every play (Like with Russ).

There is less and less of that joy these days - anyone else notice it?

 

[keasley45]

The OLine just got a significant upgrade with Lucas and Oluwatimi but they both need time to improve and perhaps things like the run game will benefit when they do.

Help us, Oluwatimi. You (and Abe) are our only hope.

Seriously, i think you are right.

 

[keasley45]

When Geno first started for the Hawks I remember being relieved that he would take what was available and simply move the ball. I was also thrilled we didn't have to watch the play clock get to zero on nearly every play (Like with Russ).

There is less and less of that joy these days - anyone else notice it?

Yup. he is pushing way too much. I dont know whether its JUST the structure of the offense or whether he is himself trying to do too much. His yards per completion are down since the beginning of the year as the pass game is trying to fabricate a run game through the screen game and short passes. Outside of that, he does seem to be pushing some plays where he doesnt have to. Whether its just scramblng for a few yards or hitting the outlet more often. And he takes sacks he shouldnt when he sits at the top of the pocket waiting for someone to come open deep.

i get the frustration at the explosiveness of the offense being all but gone lately, but forcing it to happen when it cant isnt helping.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Your prerogative but Goff has 2,761 yds, 20 TDs and 9 picks. Better but not a lot better than Geno. He's also had 4 double digit pick years in his previous 8 seasons and likely to have his 5th out of 9 seasons this year. He had 5 picks in ONE game.

Grass is always greener.....

Not comparing the two, but Russel Wilson also threw 5 INT in a game. It sucks, but it happens. Even great QB's have bad days. Goff is a good QB, better than Geno I'd say. He is benefiting from some great weapons and solid OLine, but despite having 3 more years under his belt, Geno's stats do not stack up to Goff's.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

EXTREMELY rare occurrence for Russ to throw a bunch of picks in a game. Esp. in his prime. He also went on to erase a 16-point lead and threw the game winning TD in OT to put his team in the Super Bowl. Again.

 

[hawkfan68]

That was a bad play, especially since he could have made the first down with his legs by simply faking the throw to freeze the only defender in his way.

Even more embarrassing is this is a 12 year vet doing this. It's not like he's in his rookie year. However, at times he plays like one.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's a trip. I just want to see good Geno on Sunday. We need you man.

 

[hawkfan68]

Your prerogative but Goff has 2,761 yds, 20 TDs and 9 picks. Better but not a lot better than Geno. He's also had 4 double digit pick years in his previous 8 seasons and likely to have his 5th out of 9 seasons this year. He had 5 picks in ONE game.

Grass is always greener.....

20 tds and 9 ints is still much better than 12 tds/12 ints. Goff is at least 48 points better if you total up their tds difference. Geno is on pace to finish the season with 18 tds/18ints. That's worse than he did last season.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And Goff wins, and has a lot of wins, including playoff wins under his belt.

 

[West TX Hawk]

EXTREMELY rare occurrence for Russ to throw a bunch of picks in a game. Esp. in his prime. He also went on to erase a 16-point lead and threw the game winning TD in OT to put his team in the Super Bowl. Again.

Russ also threw 4 ints in that same NFC title game, was sacked 5 times and placed us in that deficit to begin with. Now of course, he was great in the comeback but sometimes folks gloss over his poor games.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

That game was a trip. His worst half ever and probably his best half ever, in the same game. And like Geno getting excuses, not all those were on him. Butterfingers Kearse didn't help that game. Until it mattered. Russ was a cold-blooded killer for most of his time here. Nothing will ever change that. Game on the line, he was nails.
Not trying to pile on, but no way in hell Geno wins a game like that.

 

[West TX Hawk]

And Goff wins, and has a lot of wins, including playoff wins under his belt.

Goff does indeed and I would also rank him higher than Geno as well. Geno has only had 1 playoff game opportunity here though and our defense gave up 505 yards.

Hypothetically, if we do make the playoffs and Geno helps scores an upset win in the 1st round, would you still advocate for not extending him? If not, what would you want to see JS do for our next QB plan? Do you lean more towards the draft or giving Howell a shot or FA?

 

[keasley45]

EXTREMELY rare occurrence for Russ to throw a bunch of picks in a game. Esp. in his prime. He also went on to erase a 16-point lead and threw the game winning TD in OT to put his team in the Super Bowl. Again.

Ok, i wasnt gonna say anything. But this is revisionist history at its finest. The dude threw 4 picks, and killed drives in the 2nd half. he threw excatly ONE important pass in that game and one miracle, close your eyes and hope, 2 point conversion to Willson.

Ryan threw the only passing TD in that game in regulation. THE PUNTER. And had he not, we wouldnt have even been close. The defense kept the game close and Beast Mode was our only offense.

Russ threw a nice swing pass to Marshawn. He threw a nice play action pass to Doug to get us in scoring range. And then he hit Kearse on a cover zero matchup.

To make it seem as though RUSS brought us back is ludicrous.

And that was in his prime. Were it not for beastmode and the LOB, we lose that game hands down in a blowout.