Geno is a top 5 Qb

[keasley45]

They’re both bad takes. He’s nowhere near top 5 BUT he’s a good starter and that’s hard to find.

Geno was bad last week Keasley, he was much better today imo.

Sure. When you wipe away 2 TDs and have your top wrs give away routes for picks, a qb can have a 'bad' week.

 

[Torc]

But Good QBs, like Purdy, never have those two interception at critical moments type games.

um. Did you see the game Purdy had today?

 

[knownone]

He leads in yards. That’s it.

Every QB has terrible games. From Brady to Geno they all do. Why do people get so mad if you object to Geno being top 5? He’s been a godsend for us post Russ. No one outside of Seahawks fanatics put him anywhere near the top 5. No one so again why are we terrible for agreeing with 90% of the football kingdom? It’s wild to me that any criticism of Geno is met by the same select few who seem to take this stuff personal.

Here’s my take that gets me labeled a hater. Geno is a very good QB who we’re lucky to have. He’s not elite imo but those guys are hard to find as we’re had one in 50 years but he’s very, very good. And for that I’m labeled a Geno hater.

No. You're labeled as a Geno hater because a quick search of your post history has you ranking Geno as a bottom 16 QB. This offseason you had him ranked as low as 20th.

 

[JPatera76]

I don’t get the love for Purdy over Geno… Purdy literally has the best supporting cast a young Qb like him could have.. give Geno that same cast and Oline and genos doing even better. But kudos to Geno give what he’s got for an Oline .. he’s doing damn good. Way better than most on people’s top 5 list would do with this Oline.

Also friendly reminder just because people don’t agree with you or you find their takes “outrageous, crazy, stupid” etc etc. Don’t start flaming the poster or attacking them. It’s tiring to see people ran off for a while because the fragile egos can’t just simply agree to disagree and instead dig in and start name calling and other stupid stuff. If it keeps up I’ll start awarding mini vacations ie 1-2 day suspensions. This goes for everyone.

 

[bigskydoc]

um. Did you see the game Purdy had today?

 

[bigskydoc]

I don’t get the love for Purdy over Geno… Purdy literally has the best supporting cast a young Qb like him could have.. give Geno that same cast and Oline and genos doing even better. But kudos to Geno give what he’s got for an Oline .. he’s doing damn good. Way better than most on people’s top 5 list would do with this Oline.

Also friendly reminder just because people don’t agree with you or you find their takes “outrageous, crazy, stupid” etc etc. Don’t start flaming the poster or attacking them. It’s tiring to see people ran off for a while because the fragile egos can’t just simply agree to disagree and instead dig in and start name calling and other stupid stuff. If it keeps up I’ll start awarding mini vacations ie 1-2 day suspensions. This goes for everyone.

This. I think most people DO get that Purdy has a group of receivers that routinely garnish better YAC stats than most.

I also think that they forget just how good Shanahan has made so many QBs look. He even made Trey Lance look serviceable. Garopolo looked like a stud, except for the inevitable bone-headed pick, and what did he do outside Shanahan’s system? Mulllens, same.

One wonders how history would look were the Niners better at scouting college QBs, or had Shanahan stuck to his original plan of taking Cousins in the 2018 draft. They had the second pick in 2017, and could have taken Watson or Mahomes. Instead, they end up with Lance, then blindly stumble into Purdy.

Now we get into who made who. Despite Shanahan making run of the mill QBs look like starter material, I still believe it is Purdy who saved both Shanahan’s and Lynch’s jobs. I don’t see how they would have survived the Trey Lance fiasco without pulling the Purdy rabbit out of the hat.

So yes, I’m saying that Purdy both is made by the system and saved the system. A very symbiotic Belichick/ Brady type situation.

 

[Ozzy]

No. You're labeled as a Geno hater because a quick search of your post history has you ranking Geno as a bottom 16 QB. This offseason you had him ranked as low as 20th.

Now that’s not the whole truth and you know it. I’ve said he’s in that 12-17 range multiple times. That’s also how the entire football world views him and that’s how he’s playing this year too. I’ve also said multiple times that he’s capable of playing at a top 10 level with the right surroundings in place. If you’re going to dig up my history then at least be intellectually honest when doing it. I’ve also given him praise when he plays well and did it multiple times yesterday but you conveniently left that out too.

You proved my point though. Even if someone labels Geno in that 15 range they’re a “hater” lol. I think he’s probably a little higher then that I’m guessing if I had to rank all the starters yet here we are.

 

[keasley45]

I watched some highlights of today's falcons game, I was a bit surprised but pleased to notice that Geno still keeping his footwork and haven't developed noticeable happy feet, he seems to have trust on his OL, lol, he really shouldn't.

When he keeps it front-of-mind to escape if need be, the dude is a real weapon. I think, like you said, his footwork is pretty good given the pummeling he has taken. But the number of times he stands back in the pocket, flat footed waiting for a route to come open rather than rolling out or sliding laterally drives me nutts sometimes.

He has gotten better at feeling pressure to either side of him and stepping up and under the rush though - made a couple of nice plays that way.

But for Christmas' sake, i wish he would be ok with hitting the escape button more often.

 

[Ozzy]

Sure. When you wipe away 2 TDs and have your top wrs give away routes for picks, a qb can have a 'bad' week.

When you frame it this way you sound like if Geno does have a bad week it can’t be him. He was great this week. He missed a ton of critical throws last week and that’s ok. They all have bad games. Every single one of them. Especially like JP said you’re playing with a bad line, it’s going to make life harder.

 

[Ozzy]

When he keeps it front-of-mind to escape if need be, the dude is a real weapon. I think, like you said, his footwork is pretty good given the pummeling he has taken. But the number of times he stands back in the pocket, flat footed waiting for a route to come open rather than rolling out or sliding laterally drives me nutts sometimes.

He has gotten better at feeling pressure to either side of him and stepping up and under the rush though - made a couple of nice plays that way.

But for Christmas' sake, i wish he would be ok with hitting the escape button more often.

He hasn’t been good under pressure this year. Now some of that is because he’s under pressure a ton. Yesterday it seemed better and he played better too. Maybe the line will somewhat sort itself out and Geno can play at a level he’s capable of.

 

[keasley45]

He leads in yards. That’s it.

Every QB has terrible games. From Brady to Geno they all do. Why do people get so mad if you object to Geno being top 5? He’s been a godsend for us post Russ. No one outside of Seahawks fanatics put him anywhere near the top 5. No one so again why are we terrible for agreeing with 90% of the football kingdom? It’s wild to me that any criticism of Geno is met by the same select few who seem to take this stuff personal.

Here’s my take that gets me labeled a hater. Geno is a very good QB who we’re lucky to have. He’s not elite imo but those guys are hard to find as we’re had one in 50 years but he’s very, very good. And for that I’m labeled a Geno hater.

Thing is, Geno can play at an elite level for the rest of the season and it would be qualified somehow as something less by some. But that qualifier falls away if he plays poorly... for even a game, then its, he is who 'everyone' thought he was and the chants for Sam Howell begin. - take a look at last week.

And i dont think you're a hater. your criticicsm of Geno is more balanced than most.

i never siad he was top 5. I have said he is entirely capable of playing at a top 5 level and eeven finishing the season there.

All i said was that he didnt play an 'awful' or 'terrible' game.

He threw a legit pick in the first half. Thereafter...

He threw a TD to Metcalf that the WR botched on a perfect throw.
He threw a TD to Metcalf on a beautiful deep ball that was called back on a procedural penalty.
And he tossed a pick on a throw to DK where the wr ran a lazy route and wasnt where he should have been. That play has been dissected by a few folks on youtube.

Take them as they are on the stat sheet and you can say it was a 'terrible' game. Take those plays in context and its unfortunate it turned out that way. But to say he played terribly ? He was the only reason we were at all competitive.

And he led in more than just yards until the last 2 games. He is also one of the most pressured QBs in the league, and one of the few who has HAD to be the team's offense for entire games this season (until this week, we were 29th in rushing attempts and near last in rushing yards).... while being one of the most pressured... behind one of the worst lines in the league.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not top 5, but he was damn good yesterday. geYES for sure.
Poised, moving around and creating in the pocket, good decisions, all of it. IF he can keep that up, this team can make the playoffs, imo.
I need to see more, but when he's locked in, he's a damn good QB.

 

[keasley45]

When you frame it this way you sound like if Geno does have a bad week it can’t be him. He was great this week. He missed a ton of critical throws last week and that’s ok. They all have bad games. Every single one of them. Especially like JP said you’re playing with a bad line, it’s going to make life harder.

Of course he can have a bad week. I'm not framing anything. I'm literally restating how those play happened.

And like i said before, Mike MacDonald didnt come out and say - 'yeah, Geno needs to play better'. Nope. he said the errors were TEAM errors. That was about the nicest way to say that had other players not F'd up, nobody would be asking about how well Geno played.

I mean, seriously, do you disagree that DK should have come down with the ball in the corner of the endzone? Watch Tyler's body position on similar corner throws... The ball could not have been placed better.

(He also dropped another key pass along the sideline on another great ball)

Its obvious the other TD was called back.

Thats 2 TDS.

And its been covered in detail how crap the route was that DK ran on the 2nd pick.

Thats not framing. That's context.

take Geno out of it.

If a QB throws 3 TDs in a game and they are flat dropped.

Then, throws 3 catchable balls that SHOULD have been caught but are deflected and turn into INTs and his stat sheet finishes with 0Td and 3 INTS, did that player have a bad game? if he was the only offense the team had and his stat sheet reads in black and white - 0TDs and 3 INTS, did he have a bad game?

The dude can play a lot better. He botched a few plays that i saw on the telecast - the 'give away' toss-up to either Tyler or JSN along the left sideline in the 2nd half when had he looked, he had his TE breaking on a middle post, wide open.

Backpeddaling and failing to avoid avoidable pressure up the middle and then just heaving the ball downfield - he does that a few times a game.

The less than smart intentional grounding.

Those things are what keeps him from being consistently top tier. But i dont think those things are so incorrectable as to say unequivically that he CAN NEVER be top tier, because he's already improved his game year over year.

 

[Ozzy]

Of course he can have a bad week. I'm not framing anything. I'm literally restating how those play happened.

And like i said before, Mike MacDonald didnt come out and say - 'yeah, Geno needs to play better'. Nope. he said the errors were TEAM errors. That was about the nicest way to say that had other players not F'd up, nobody would be asking about how well Geno played.

I mean, seriously, do you disagree that DK should have come down with the ball in the corner of the endzone? Watch Tyler's body position on similar corner throws... The ball could not have been placed better.

(He also dropped another key pass along the sideline on another great ball)

Its obvious the other TD was called back.

Thats 2 TDS.

And its been covered in detail how crap the route was that DK ran on the 2nd pick.

Thats not framing. That's context.

take Geno out of it.

If a QB throws 3 TDs in a game and they are flat dropped.

Then, throws 3 catchable balls that SHOULD have been caught but are deflected and turn into INTs and his stat sheet finishes with 0Td and 3 INTS, did that player have a bad game? if he was the only offense the team had and his stat sheet reads in black and white - 0TDs and 3 INTS, did he have a bad game?

The dude can play a lot better. He botched a few plays that i saw on the telecast - the 'give away' toss-up to either Tyler or JSN along the left sideline in the 2nd half when had he looked, he had his TE breaking on a middle post, wide open.

Backpeddaling and failing to avoid avoidable pressure up the middle and then just heaving the ball downfield - he does that a few times a game.

The less than smart intentional grounding.

Those things are what keeps him from being consistently top tier. But i dont think those things are so incorrectable as to say unequivically that he CAN NEVER be top tier, because he's already improved his game year over year.

No I agree. Drops have been a big issue this year and it’s hurt Geno’s stats. The like hurts Geno too. Like I said earlier which got me labeled a Geno hater. I don’t think he’s elite and after the first half of his first year starting, he’s settled into that next tier of guys. Guys who can play at close to an elite level if you have the right pieces in place. I’ve always said he’s in that 12-17 range with guys like Cousins, Goff, Love etc but give him the right pieces and he can play at a top 10 level. I don’t think he has been this year or even last year but he was fine.

No one is saying he’s a bottom 10 guy. Well some might but not me.

 

[Ozzy]

Thing is, Geno can play at an elite level for the rest of the season and it would be qualified somehow as something less by some. But that qualifier falls away if he plays poorly... for even a game, then its, he is who 'everyone' thought he was and the chants for Sam Howell begin. - take a look at last week.

And i dont think you're a hater. your criticicsm of Geno is more balanced than most.

i never siad he was top 5. I have said he is entirely capable of playing at a top 5 level and eeven finishing the season there.

All i said was that he didnt play an 'awful' or 'terrible' game.

He threw a legit pick in the first half. Thereafter...

He threw a TD to Metcalf that the WR botched on a perfect throw.
He threw a TD to Metcalf on a beautiful deep ball that was called back on a procedural penalty.
And he tossed a pick on a throw to DK where the wr ran a lazy route and wasnt where he should have been. That play has been dissected by a few folks on youtube.

Take them as they are on the stat sheet and you can say it was a 'terrible' game. Take those plays in context and its unfortunate it turned out that way. But to say he played terribly ? He was the only reason we were at all competitive.

And he led in more than just yards until the last 2 games. He is also one of the most pressured QBs in the league, and one of the few who has HAD to be the team's offense for entire games this season (until this week, we were 29th in rushing attempts and near last in rushing yards).... while being one of the most pressured... behind one of the worst lines in the league.

My posts aren’t directed at you, even though we disagree you’re almost always reasonable with your take on Geno even if I somewhat disagree at times. I don’t think me and you have him that far apart if we were to list all the starting QBs

 

[JayhawkMike]

Only read the first post and figured this was a parody thread. If it’s not the OP needs an intervention.

 

[Maelstrom787]

He leads in yards. That’s it.

Every QB has terrible games. From Brady to Geno they all do. Why do people get so mad if you object to Geno being top 5? He’s been a godsend for us post Russ. No one outside of Seahawks fanatics put him anywhere near the top 5. No one so again why are we terrible for agreeing with 90% of the football kingdom? It’s wild to me that any criticism of Geno is met by the same select few who seem to take this stuff personal.

Here’s my take that gets me labeled a hater. Geno is a very good QB who we’re lucky to have. He’s not elite imo but those guys are hard to find as we’re had one in 50 years but he’s very, very good. And for that I’m labeled a Geno hater.

This kind of falls flat for me considering that the exact opposite happened in this post.

OP posted a pro-Geno opinion and immediately got laughed at by multiple members and called "Geno's moms burner account" and was compared to a teenager looking for attention.

That's a *hell* of a lot more personal than any of the Geno defenders got, and it was endorsed.

 

[Ozzy]

This kind of falls flat for me considering that the exact opposite happened in this post.

OP posted a pro-Geno opinion and immediately got laughed at by multiple members and called "Geno's moms burner account" and was compared to a teenager looking for attention.

That's a *hell* of a lot more personal than any of the Geno defenders got, and it was endorsed.

Well ok but there is some context there. He post Geno is the league MVP after week 1 so while I’m not condoning it will usually draw some snickers from people. And it wasn’t endorsed I posted that everyone needs to not make it personal, JP came in and said the exact same thing.

It’s also the game chat forum where stuff is a little loose and more emotional for obvious reasons.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Geno Smith is one of the best players in the league. What he is doing with this O line is nothing short of incredible. He is looking so poised out there. Should be getting dark horse mvp buzz

I see a whole bunch of arguments in this thread on both directions.

What I know? Geno + Seahawks are the Rodney Dangerfields of the league, particularly when combined. We just don't get "No Respect". And you know what, I'm cool with that. MVP?!? - you kidding me, he'd have to win the SuperBowl without a running back and on 2nd string receivers, passing only with one hand tied behind his back - by 4 touchdowns to even be considered. And that's ok. **** 'em. Leave that shit for Prince Mahomes and others of his 'ilk'.

Other thing I know? I've been the Geno for Prez! Guy. I have been. But now, I'm just happy that he looks poised. I'm happy that he's grinding it out, without alot of respect. Just blue collar style (Bills anyone?) bringing his best shot every game. Loved his last presser - he takes the accountability thing seriously. Knowing that he doesn't have alot of pocket time. Knowing that he had a joke of an OC, and that we have a burgeoning one now. He's always "I can do better." "Point the thumb, not the finger". I love that shit.

I'm happy with what we got. On the FOX pregame - I'm not sure I remember who it was, but they were talking about just "showing up every game and doing your best. That's what you can control." And I agree with that, and think that way about Geno.

Not worried about awards or League MVP for him. Just happy he got a second chance, and that he seems to have exorcised some demons, and just giving it all he can - however the chips fall.

Good on him. And, oh yea, Geno for Prez bitches!

 

[knownone]

Now that’s not the whole truth and you know it. I’ve said he’s in that 12-17 range multiple times. That’s also how the entire football world views him and that’s how he’s playing this year too. I’ve also said multiple times that he’s capable of playing at a top 10 level with the right surroundings in place. If you’re going to dig up my history then at least be intellectually honest when doing it. I’ve also given him praise when he plays well and did it multiple times yesterday but you conveniently left that out too.

You proved my point though. Even if someone labels Geno in that 15 range they’re a “hater” lol. I think he’s probably a little higher then that I’m guessing if I had to rank all the starters yet here we are.

Intellectually dishonest? This was the third comment that came up.

On a serious note Geno is a mid level guy. I think most fans would agree. I just think people want more than a 15-20 range guy and that’s ok.

You also have a list where you name guys and rank Geno 18th, allude to him being overpaid, argued with me last week about whether he was worth top 18-12 QB money, and so on.

To be fair, your opinion on Geno reads like someone playing the results. You are all over the place, so it should not shock you that people may view you as a hater because you routinely argue from one side, and it's almost always negative.