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I don't believe this is correct. If Wilson has anything to do with this debate at all, it's only because some people were shouting how much better the team was with Geno running the offense. It's as if Geno should never have sat behind Russ. Any sane fan knows Wilson was done at that point as he's proved ever since then, but the act of Geno always being a better option is criminal. It's almost as if some anoited Geno as the greatest QB the franchise ever had because he broke a record or two with an extra game to do so. That is why there is some kickback among some fans. Its unrealistic. It's not about the love for Wilson, it's about the hate.
Yeah I think it’s actually the opposite more often than Toffees theory. I think people hate Russ so much they became bigger fans of Geno because he was who came when their hated player left. They want Geno to be elite.

For half a season he looked like it. For another season he looked good. Last year he was below average. He could easily revert back to when he played at a top 10 level. I just think he’s trending the wrong way and is only getting older so it’s not likely. Toffee thinks this is purely an emotional response. I think objectively it matches what we’ve seen historically across the league. Time will tell.
 

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The Rams are thinking of dumping Stafford and Kupp. Does that mean they are not trying to win? No but at the same time there is more than one way to win in the NFL. So my position on Geno has been clear. Geno is the game manager and distributor of the football to some of the best skill players assembled in the NFL which happen to be Seahawks. Not many teams are this deep at WR and RB for example and Fant/Barner are still under contract with room to add another talented TE to the mix.

Can the team win without Geno? Yes, but if Geno is on a friendly cap contract then he is welcomed back with open arms. But team building is a team endeavor and if a QB starts to take up too much cap space then teams are forced to investigate alternatives.

I just think the idea that a top five QB would help the Hawks is not reality because the Bengals had an elite edge rusher and QB along with other talented players. But the Bengals trenches were so flawed on both sides of the ball and the best they could do is come close to .500 ball.

And honestly you can probably play .500 ball with a team full of stud trench players and no highly paid skill players for the fraction of the cost of a team full of star skill players.
 

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He has to say that when asked. None of it matters because Geno can sit out if he doesn’t get top 10 money like he said he deserves and apparently some fans in here think he should get.

This proves nothing imo and it all boils down to the contract stuff
 

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He has to say that when asked. None of it matters because Geno can sit out if he doesn’t get top 10 money like he said he deserves and apparently some fans in here think he should get.

This proves nothing imo and it all boils down to the contract stuff
He doesn't have to say this in the way that he says it. His praise is fairly effusive compared to his usual nature, and if the team truly was unsure about Geno, it's incredibly easy to coach-speak a statement about the virtues of competition.

Pelissero said very recently that the team appears to be all in on Geno for 2025 and is expected to address his contract to compensate him more appropriately. Obviously, they'd be doing so in a manner that allows them to continue searching for a long-term option as Smith is aging.



This isn't something a team does for a quarterback they don't actually want, or a quarterback they view as being of an uncompetitive caliber. He's not Gardner Minshew or Marcus Mariota.

The team obviously genuinely has a very high opinion of Geno and wants to roll with him for now while looking for that next 10-15 year face of the franchise.
 

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He has to say that when asked. None of it matters because Geno can sit out if he doesn’t get top 10 money like he said he deserves and apparently some fans in here think he should get.

This proves nothing imo and it all boils down to the contract stuff
This.

While I think Geno can be a Top 10 QB, no one beats Father Time. He’s not geriatric but, we’ve seen his ceiling.

With the right pieces in place, that ceiling is more than good enough to propel this team towards some playoff wins.

Geno will be going for some serious $$$ for sure.

While I think Geno is our best option next year, I don’t think he’s who I would roll with past that. A 1-2 year extension wouldn’t be so bad (unless it’s $50M+). Perhaps draft a QB to sit behind him for a season or two…unless we think Howell is it (I don’t).

There is the possibility of this being Geno’s last season as a Hawk. If we’re thinking along those lines, we may see a big trade this offseason while we hit the ‘reset’ button.
 

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This.

While I think Geno can be a Top 10 QB, no one beats Father Time. He’s not geriatric but, we’ve seen his ceiling.

With the right pieces in place, that ceiling is more than good enough to propel this team towards some playoff wins.

Geno will be going for some serious $$$ for sure.

While I think Geno is our best option next year, I don’t think he’s who I would roll with past that. A 1-2 year extension wouldn’t be so bad (unless it’s $50M+). Perhaps draft a QB to sit behind him for a season or two…unless we think Howell is it (I don’t).

There is the possibility of this being Geno’s last season as a Hawk. If we’re thinking along those lines, we may see a big trade this offseason while we hit the ‘reset’ button.
I think I’ve come around to this as well. He’s probably out best option next year but I want something else after that
 

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Now that Kenny Pickett is a SB champion, maybe Schneider can make a trade for him? lol
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He doesn't have to say this in the way that he says it. His praise is fairly effusive compared to his usual nature, and if the team truly was unsure about Geno, it's incredibly easy to coach-speak a statement about the virtues of competition.

Pelissero said very recently that the team appears to be all in on Geno for 2025 and is expected to address his contract to compensate him more appropriately. Obviously, they'd be doing so in a manner that allows them to continue searching for a long-term option as Smith is aging.



This isn't something a team does for a quarterback they don't actually want, or a quarterback they view as being of an uncompetitive caliber. He's not Gardner Minshew or Marcus Mariota.

The team obviously genuinely has a very high opinion of Geno and wants to roll with him for now while looking for that next 10-15 year face of the franchise.

Bad teams lock up mid level QB's in thier mid to late 30's. I don't think Seattle wants to either and what he said doesn't change that all. What else would he say? He may have to roll with Geno for another year whether he wants to or not. He's not Minshew or Mariota sure, but he's not a top 12 guy either so he's a middling QB entering the twilight of his career.

They also floated out to teams they would take trade offers for him.....that's also not something teams do if they are all in on Geno.

I'm ok with Geno for this year even if its not the way I would go. They may not have a choice but I will be shocked if he is the guy in 2026. Absolutely shocked.
 

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In total, the Seahawks have drafted 16 quarterbacks not named Russell Wilson, with the best maybe being Huard or Seneca Wallace. It's bad enough that our extra first rounders in the RW trade were not packaged to draft a QB.
Sometimes I wonder if we are just too gunshy to reach for one or if JS doesn't have the guts or expertise to identify one and follow through with the price.
I know our history of not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a high pick are part of the problem.

Fix the O-line and draft a QB.
 

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What is coach supposed to say? Coaches won't just come out and say they want to move on from a guy. I suspect he'll be back, but nothing is etched in stone in the NFL.
 

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Bad teams lock up mid level QB's in thier mid to late 30's. I don't think Seattle wants to either and what he said doesn't change that all. What else would he say? He may have to roll with Geno for another year whether he wants to or not. He's not Minshew or Mariota sure, but he's not a top 12 guy either so he's a middling QB entering the twilight of his career.

They also floated out to teams they would take trade offers for him.....that's also not something teams do if they are all in on Geno.

I'm ok with Geno for this year even if its not the way I would go. They may not have a choice but I will be shocked if he is the guy in 2026. Absolutely shocked.
Really not sure why you'd be shocked by that unless his caliber of play in 2025 declines to the point where it makes sense to rush the hell out of finding an asset that the entire rest of the league looks for - a real franchise quarterback.

Can't just manifest one out of thin air and the team seems obviously content to ride with Geno while they search.

If the team continues to believe they can compete with Geno, which they obviously do, then they're not going to force stuff. They'll wait for a guy they believe can truly be the guy and then they'll get him.

Why people seem to be so flabbergasted that a team would stick with an Alex Smith while looking for their Mahomes is absolutely beyond me.
 

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I’ll wait to react closer to when the season starts. Coaches can’t go negative on current players so I hope it’s just coach speak.

On the RW aspect. When all that was going down I wanted to see a year of RW here with PC being fired first but I was more than happy when both were finally gone.

I don’t like or dislike Geno more or less because of RW. Not in the smallest bit.
 

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Bad teams lock up mid level QB's in thier mid to late 30's. I don't think Seattle wants to either and what he said doesn't change that all. What else would he say? He may have to roll with Geno for another year whether he wants to or not. He's not Minshew or Mariota sure, but he's not a top 12 guy either so he's a middling QB entering the twilight of his career.

They also floated out to teams they would take trade offers for him.....that's also not something teams do if they are all in on Geno.

Really not sure why you'd be shocked by that unless his caliber of play in 2025 declines to the point where it makes sense to rush the hell out of finding an asset that the entire rest of the league looks for - a real franchise quarterback.

Can't just manifest one out of thin air and the team seems obviously content to ride with Geno while they search.

If the team continues to believe they can compete with Geno, which they obviously do, then they're not going to force stuff. They'll wait for a guy they believe can truly be the guy and then they'll get him.

Why people seem to be so flabbergasted that a team would stick with an Alex Smith while looking for their Mahomes is absolutely beyond me.
I literally said I would do exactly that. Let Geno play out this year while getting your next guy. Alex smith also wasn’t in his mid to late 30’s though right? Two completely different scenarios.

This isn’t hard. Geno wants top 10 money. Teams that sign quarterbacks at this stage in their careers to expensive extensions have a very, very high failure rate. It’s what bad teams do. He’s regressed every year since taking over the job and is at a stage of his career where it tends to happen. So people being skeptical that he’s going to turn it around and look like 2022 is reasonable. Now you obviously think he will if they only fix multiple issues. I’m skeptical of that but I don’t think it’s stupid either.

Here is another point, if they couldn’t fix those issues while Geno was cheap what makes that job easier if you have to pay Geno even more? It’s obviously not.

So again since arguments keep getting twisted. Geno may be the best option this year and if he is roll with him. I would not sign a 3 year locked in deal though and I don’t think most teams would do that. It’s not “baffling” at all.

My guess is a multi year deal that they give themselves an out after each year. Geno may not sign that deal
 
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Yeah I think it’s actually the opposite more often than Toffees theory. I think people hate Russ so much they became bigger fans of Geno because he was who came when their hated player left. They want Geno to be elite.

For half a season he looked like it. For another season he looked good. Last year he was below average. He could easily revert back to when he played at a top 10 level. I just think he’s trending the wrong way and is only getting older so it’s not likely. Toffee thinks this is purely an emotional response. I think objectively it matches what we’ve seen historically across the league. Time will tell.

I dont know anyone who 'hates' Russ. I know quite a few people who were labeled haters because they justifiably pointed out major holes in his game and were accused of cherry-picking stats and game film, creating a higher standard of performance for Russ, and in some cases, called racist.

It was all garbage because it has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt by Russ himself that what folks around here were pointing out as fact - that he struggled to read defenses, that he could only olay the game one way, and that the only place he could ever succeed was Seattle.

The truth is lies on the other side. The latent resentment toward Geno for being 'un-Russ' drives much of the dislike toward him. To a man, the most ardent GeNo guys and gals on this board were pro-Russ to the death, claiming his departure would be met with fan-fair and super bowl parades in the years that followed in Denver. Folks who just looked at his game and see clearly what he couldnt (receivers running open across the field) saw his demise as suredly as the sun rises. Why? Because he was always whi he is now. Sure, he may be slower today, but his mind is as fast as it ever was- which for him had never been fats enough to process plays with an efficiency that would ever allow him to succeed in a system that mandated he run the plays that were called and run them well - aka anywhere other than under Pete Carroll.

God forbid we have a qb now who makes his hay running plays the way they are supposed to be run. And sorry we now have to deal with the consequences of poor offensive coordination. Before Geno, the OC didnt matter much (with the exception of Schotty, who was let go because he wouldnt let his professional integrity be tarnished by a qb who insisted on doing things his way), now if the OC doesnt know what he is doing, we dont have a heroball pro at qb who will just run around and make plays organically anyway. Now we have and NFL offense, with and pretty good NFL qb who hopefully make the most of what our hooefully also pretty good OC can create.
 

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I literally said I would do exactly that. Let Geno play out this year while getting your next guy. Alex smith also wasn’t in his mid to late 30’s though right? Two completely different scenarios.

This isn’t hard. Geno wants top 10 money. Teams that sign quarterbacks at this stage in their careers to expensive extensions have a very, very high failure rate. It’s what bad teams do. He’s regressed every year since taking over the job and is at a stage of his career where it tends to happen. So people being skeptical that he’s going to turn it around and look like 2022 is reasonable. Now you obviously think he will if they only fix multiple issues. I’m skeptical of that but I don’t think it’s stupid either.

Here is another point, if they couldn’t fix those issues while Geno was cheap what makes that job easier if you have to pay Geno even more? It’s obviously not.

So again since arguments keep getting twisted. Geno may be the best option this year and if he is roll with him. I would not sign a 3 year locked in deal though and I don’t think most teams would do that. It’s not “baffling” at all.

My guess is a multi year deal that they give themselves an out after each year. Geno may not sign that deal
You may be misunderstanding me. I'm referring specifically to the scenario you said you'd be shocked by, which is Geno being the guy in 2026.

Also, Alex was 34 when he was traded by the Chiefs, and generally was worse than Geno in better offensive circumstances in his KC career. It's definitely not apples-to-oranges age wise.

My question is why anyone would be "absolutely shocked" if Geno was starting in 2026 assuming he doesn't precipitously decline. It's not all that easy to find a guy that you believe you can win with, and the team appears to believe they can win with Geno. I do too, considering they were still 10-7 with one of the sloppiest pro offenses I've had the misfortune of watching.

And sure, Geno may feel he deserves top 10 money. Most NFL players would give themselves more money than they end up getting. That's not exactly unique to Geno Smith, as much as people seem to be offended by it.
 

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