For those of you bagging on Rice

[Largent80]

The fumble had no consequence, whereas Maragos' allowed 7 points. Rices catch allowed the Hawks to score. That speaks for itself.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt, stupid play or not, and man was it stupid, they got out of it w/out giving up points. He made up for it when it mattered.

 

[Seahawkx]

Go back n watch rices play..
He runs his route and just stops.. That is the problem.. He would be getting catches in a denver type offense where p.manning is sitting in the pocket and throws it to the reciever as he finishes the route.. However, in our offense with no pocket game from the Qb, you need to keep running and running till RW finds you. And that's not what Rice does.

 

[Largent80]

Go back n watch rices play..
He runs his route and just stops.. That is the problem.. He would be getting catches in a denver type offense where p.manning is sitting in the pocket and throws it to the reciever as he finishes the route.. However, in our offense with no pocket game from the Qb, you need to keep running and running till RW finds you. And that's not what Rice does.

Well, evidently the rest of the WR's did the same as Lynch caught more passes yesterday than all of them.

You need to realize that we are NOT running a precise offense at the moment and RW is not a robot, and not everyone is going to be open all the time.

 

[bestfightstory]

People were HATING on Rice in the Gameday Forum.

Heavy on the HATE.

Saying mean things.

 

[Seahawkx]

Go back n watch rices play..
He runs his route and just stops.. That is the problem.. He would be getting catches in a denver type offense where p.manning is sitting in the pocket and throws it to the reciever as he finishes the route.. However, in our offense with no pocket game from the Qb, you need to keep running and running till RW finds you. And that's not what Rice does.

Well, evidently the rest of the WR's did the same as Lynch caught more passes yesterday than all of them.

You need to realize that we are NOT running a precise offense at the moment and RW is not a robot, and not everyone is going to be open all the time.

I realize that, but I am just pointing out why Rice has been almost zero so far and a guy like Baldwin is exceeding expectations... It basically because of the extra hustle and not stopping at the end of your route. Baldwin realizes that while Rice just stands there. RW will not risk an interception to just give Rice a chance to out jump his defender.

 

[justafan]

His fumble killed a possible scoring drive that is a consequence.There is a reason he hasnt been targeted more often.Only the people in the circle truly know the answer but there is a reason.If someone criticizes the WRs or Rice in this case it is always someone elses fault.Criticize the Oline and its Wilsons fault,Bevels fault or the WRs fault.God forbid Cable or Quinn gets any blame.
Seems like the only defense people come up with is blaming another part of the team or coaches.
This is a strange offense.Nothing looks easy or smooth yet at the end of the game they have 400 yds of offense.The biggest problem with this O is a stupid fumble,dropped passes,penalties or missed block at the wrong time that end scoring drives or end up as FGs instead of TDs and Rice played his part in those yesterday.
10 mil for 40 catches has everything to do with the Rice debate.Not exactly moneyball by the decision makers.
His salary is about what they need to pay for Harvins raise next year.The numbers that Rice puts up can be made up by someone else for a fraction of the cost.

 

[Tech Worlds]

We should have kept Williams and cut Rice

 

[Largent80]

His fumble killed a possible scoring drive that is a consequence.There is a reason he hasnt been targeted more often.Only the people in the circle truly know the answer but there is a reason.If someone criticizes the WRs or Rice in this case it is always someone elses fault.Criticize the Oline and its Wilsons fault,Bevels fault or the WRs fault.God forbid Cable or Quinn gets any blame.
Seems like the only defense people come up with is blaming another part of the team or coaches.
This is a strange offense.Nothing looks easy or smooth yet at the end of the game they have 400 yds of offense.The biggest problem with this O is a stupid fumble,dropped passes,penalties or missed block at the wrong time that end scoring drives or end up as FGs instead of TDs and Rice played his part in those yesterday.
10 mil for 40 catches has everything to do with the Rice debate.Not exactly moneyball by the decision makers.
His salary is about what they need to pay for Harvins raise next year.The numbers that Rice puts up can be made up by someone else for a fraction of the cost.

He makes 10 mil. Once again So What?......And his fumble cost us zero points...moot point. Fumbles and INT's happen. So cut everyone including RW and Lynch.

 

[-The Glove-]

His fumble killed a possible scoring drive that is a consequence.There is a reason he hasnt been targeted more often.Only the people in the circle truly know the answer but there is a reason.If someone criticizes the WRs or Rice in this case it is always someone elses fault.Criticize the Oline and its Wilsons fault,Bevels fault or the WRs fault.God forbid Cable or Quinn gets any blame.
Seems like the only defense people come up with is blaming another part of the team or coaches.
This is a strange offense.Nothing looks easy or smooth yet at the end of the game they have 400 yds of offense.The biggest problem with this O is a stupid fumble,dropped passes,penalties or missed block at the wrong time that end scoring drives or end up as FGs instead of TDs and Rice played his part in those yesterday.
10 mil for 40 catches has everything to do with the Rice debate.Not exactly moneyball by the decision makers.
His salary is about what they need to pay for Harvins raise next year.The numbers that Rice puts up can be made up by someone else for a fraction of the cost.

He makes 10 mil. Once again So What?......And his fumble cost us zero points...moot point. Fumbles and INT's happen. So cut everyone including RW and Lynch.

You have to admit his fumble was completely his own doing. You don't extend the ball out in traffic. It's not the goal line.

 

[hawk45]

Gameday forum hate is gameday forum hate. That forum is where you shout "WHAT IS THAT GUY DOING???" and "CUT HIM NOW" about plays regularly. It's for venting.

Rice has been invisible the entire season (Jacksonville doesn't count) just about up until the nice catch at the end of last night's game. Yes the line sucks and RW is under fire, but notice folks aren't out with the pitchforks for Tate or Baldwin. That's because those guys have shown up, made plays when the plays were there, making the most out of their opportunities. Rice hasn't.

And money matters. When your highest paid player at the position is producing the least, that dials up the frustration, because compensation is supposed to -at least loosely- tie to performance. If it gets way far out of whack, frustration occurs.

I think Rice's knee may be bothering him. I wouldn't mind having Rice back for less money. But he can get himself out of hock to the fans by doing more, and no matter how much he does he's not worth what he's paid on this team. Partially not his fault as you point out, we aren't a pass-happy team. But it's reality.

 

[ZagHawk]

I understand our offensive scheme, and combined with the fact that we have so many other good receiving options. Sidney is not going to be putting up Megatron numbers. BUT I do expect him to be clutch when we need him to be, and he was definitely that way in 2012. This season so far he seems to be a shadow of that. I am HOPING that maybe it's just his knee still healing up, and in the next few weeks combined with the added threat of Harvin. Things may start picking up. He had a few big catches in the Titans game, so that's at least a good sign.

 

[justafan]

His fumble may have cost us 7 points,we dont know for sure because he killed the drive after he crossed into Nash territory by being careless.You could say the fumble that got returned for a TD wasnt important because we won the game.They both were big plays.You may not care what his salary is,in fact I wont lose sleep over it because its not our money and we dont juggle beans making the cap work but someone will be bothered by it come next year when he gets a pay cut or pink slip.
I am not saying cut him.All I am saying is he is part of the problem this O is having and at 10 mil a year it doesnt make sense.

 

[HawkFan72]

We should have kept Williams and cut Rice

I hope you're being sarcastic.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

Love and hate are relative, in this case, to expectations.

I love Tate because he's a baller, a gamer, which is what I've come to expect from him. He is exactly what I expect- clutch, tough as nails, great #2 left side guy. He forced 17 missed tackles last season and is one of the best YAC guys in the league. Pure stud #2 in this offense. For the same reason, I can't stand Sydney Rice. I expect catches like that one yesterday in every game- not necessarily toe-taps on the sidelines...but huge, clutch catches that keep the drives moving. Several times per game. That's what I expect from our #1WR, our right side, outside, big-play WR. The Seahawks do not get that kind of production consistently from him and never have.

There's no excuse. He's not worth the money we pay him, he's not good enough to be depended on consistently, he's not going to flourish in this system unless (until?) Percy forces the DB's to honor the short passing game, thus giving Rice a little extra room down field...because he needs it. He's just not a guy that can create on his own at this point.

 

[AgentDib]

Gameday forum hate is gameday forum hate. That forum is where you shout "WHAT IS THAT GUY DOING???" and "CUT HIM NOW" about plays regularly. It's for venting.

It's a sad state of affairs that you are presenting this as an explanation rather than as a criticism.

 

[hawk45]

Gameday forum hate is gameday forum hate. That forum is where you shout "WHAT IS THAT GUY DOING???" and "CUT HIM NOW" about plays regularly. It's for venting.

It's a sad state of affairs that you are presenting this as an explanation rather than as a criticism.

It's a sad state of affairs that you don't understand what gameday forum is about. Sorry we don't all sit there dispassionately and drink tea. People allergic to overreaction should avoid the gameday forum, not sit passing judgment.

 

[Seahawkx]

His fumble killed a possible scoring drive that is a consequence.There is a reason he hasnt been targeted more often.Only the people in the circle truly know the answer but there is a reason.If someone criticizes the WRs or Rice in this case it is always someone elses fault.Criticize the Oline and its Wilsons fault,Bevels fault or the WRs fault.God forbid Cable or Quinn gets any blame.
Seems like the only defense people come up with is blaming another part of the team or coaches.
This is a strange offense.Nothing looks easy or smooth yet at the end of the game they have 400 yds of offense.The biggest problem with this O is a stupid fumble,dropped passes,penalties or missed block at the wrong time that end scoring drives or end up as FGs instead of TDs and Rice played his part in those yesterday.
10 mil for 40 catches has everything to do with the Rice debate.Not exactly moneyball by the decision makers.
His salary is about what they need to pay for Harvins raise next year.The numbers that Rice puts up can be made up by someone else for a fraction of the cost.

He makes 10 mil. Once again So What?......And his fumble cost us zero points...moot point. Fumbles and INT's happen. So cut everyone including RW and Lynch.

This my man is plain stupid. Do you know what kinda player one can have with 10 minion dollars?! And fumbling didn't cost you points against Fitzgerald, but make that fumble against Brees or Manning, they will score a TD on you before you know it.. Fumbles n Int happen, but shouldn't happen because of stupid reasons. This isn't Peewee football that's being play for fun. Guys have been cut for simply a single fumble.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Rice redeemed himself with that great shoestring catch yesterday. But it doesn't change the fact that he's one of our highest paid players, and has been below average at best this year.

My guess is he's got a chronic knee problem that isn't going away, no matter how many times he visits super-secret underground European witchdoctors.

 

[AgentDib]

It's a sad state of affairs that you don't understand what gameday forum is about. Sorry we don't all sit there dispassionately and drink tea. People allergic to overreaction should avoid the gameday forum, not sit passing judgment.

Well then it's fine to overreact and spew vitriol all over the place if it is because you are Passionate. The gameday forums were an order of magnitude worse than any discussion at the game yesterday, but perhaps I was simply standing in a dispassionate section.