How bad was that Milroe option play

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I wondered if someone was gonna' blame K9. It was a dumb play call. It was a horrible pitch. All of it.
Shoot, if Charbs was back there, people would make excuses for him.

/sarcasm
 

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The hyperbole in this thread is wild. Milroe a total failure after a grand total of 3 plays? Not excited about Kubiak, despite having the best passing offense in the NFL (by DVOA) and second best overall passing offense? Kubiak is doing a stellar job of scheming to support his NFL average O-line, and he is putting Darnold in a position to be in the argument for best NFL QB of 2025, so far. Darnold is executing, and keeping himself in the position that Kubiak is setting up for him.
 

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Milroe should have read the situation, and gone down. He didn't. 9 times out of 10, the pitch there doesn't bite you in the butt. It gets to the back who is immediately tackled, or goes out of bounds. And, in the weird instance the RB doesn't get the pitch, it flies harmlessly out of bounds.

We just got unlucky that Walker got enough of a hand on it to keep it in bounds, but didn't control it. Sometimes shit happens. Statistically, it wasn't a terrible decision, but the right decision, based on where the defenders were, was for Milroe to recognize it was a busted play, keep it and go down.
 

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How Bad?...REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BAD!
 

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The hyperbole in this thread is wild. Milroe a total failure after a grand total of 3 plays? Not excited about Kubiak, despite having the best passing offense in the NFL (by DVOA) and second best overall passing offense? Kubiak is doing a stellar job of scheming to support his NFL average O-line, and he is putting Darnold in a position to be in the argument for best NFL QB of 2025, so far. Darnold is executing, and keeping himself in the position that Kubiak is setting up for him.

It's just absurd. I mean look at #1 overall pick Cam Ward. He's thrown for 879 yards, 2 TDs, and 3 INTs in five games. There's also an interesting trend that reclamation QBs who get to sit for a year+ in this style of offense have a chance of going on to being good/great QBs. If he doesn't show growth/promise over the next two years, then draft another.
 

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I agree that they should deactivate him, but he's not baggage from a roster building POV. This is what they should have been doing for the past two decades. Drafting young QBs to sit and learn.
He's baggage in the sense that he serves no real purpose in the offense this season. And the way they're using him illustrates that.

He's just thrown out there just because.
 
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I don't really get all the angst over this play, outside of the unfortunate outcome.

It was likely a scripted play, and almost certainly designed more for sniffing out how the defense was going to react to it, rather than to have much success with it. It was likely also designed to set up both the Tampa Bay defense, and future defenses, for different plays with the same look.

It was executed at a relatively safe time and field position in the game. 8 times out of 10, it gets stopped for minimal to no gain, but typically, gain isn't the point of the play. It's setting things up for the future.

It was first and ten in their end of the field, with plenty of time and space for Darnold to make up for it on second and third down.

There are a lot of options with that look. Darnold was on the field and in motion, crossing behind Milroe at the snap. Milroe could have handed it off to him, for a deep pass. Milroe could take the RPO, designed QB run, or pass it himself. Or, you could run the option. Darnold could run in front of Milroe, and take the direct snap. Or you could swap Milroe and Darnold, and have Milroe in motion, taking the direct snap, on a designed counter run.

Yes NFL defenses are well versed at defending the option, but the next time you give them that look, they will likely over-pursue the option play, while you are running something else.

I like the call in that situation, it just had a bad outcome. Occasionally, bad outcomes happen in the NFL.

The main argument I see against it is that it disrupted the rhythm that Darnold was settling into. Maybe so. In retrospect he was. At the time, it wasn't entirely clear.

Was it a great call? No. Was it a reasonable call, given the down, distance, field position, and the fact that we hadn't scored yet, and it appeared that our defense was coming on strong? I would argue that it was.
Dude...any gadget play disrupts the rhythm of a starting QB. 🤷‍♂️

That is ALWAYS "entirely clear". Always.


Also, the options you mentioned sound good in theory but in actual practice, a lot of things could go wrong and also you could be putting the Starting QB in harm's way with trickery or having him run in front of Milroe (WTF?).


I am not a fan of that or anything that risks our Starting QB's health. Do you want to see Drew Lock so soon? (I know toffee wouldn't mind but that's neither here nor there)
 

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One bad play call, and now Milroe somehow sucks. Guess I shouldn't be surprised on dot exaggeration.
He serves zero purpose on this team this season aside for coming onto the field in a random spot and breaking the rhythm of the offense.

He "sucks" in that respect.

If they're not going to have him throw the ball to at least force the Defense to not assume it's just a run by him (which it has always been thus far), then stop running that damn play!!! :mad:
 

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There were about 20 other plays (mostly on defense) that cost us that game. Milroe's play was one we recovered from.

Agree he needs to fix his ball security issues, but this game is hardly on him.

As to the play, a pitch isnt the easiest play to execute if you dont rep it a ton. If the QB or RB is too far up field or to wide, it can go bad. Yes, it is a read and react play, but it is also a good bit muscle memory.
 

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The hyperbole in this thread is wild. Milroe a total failure after a grand total of 3 plays? Not excited about Kubiak, despite having the best passing offense in the NFL (by DVOA) and second best overall passing offense? Kubiak is doing a stellar job of scheming to support his NFL average O-line, and he is putting Darnold in a position to be in the argument for best NFL QB of 2025, so far. Darnold is executing, and keeping himself in the position that Kubiak is setting up for him.
You'll learn quickly. If the team doesn't pick who someone wants, it automatically means they suck. And when I say the feet will be dug in deep, that's an understatement. And that's fine, it's just funny, TO ME.
 

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He serves zero purpose on this team this season aside for coming onto the field in a random spot and breaking the rhythm of the offense.

He "sucks" in that respect.

If they're not going to have him throw the ball to at least force the Defense to not assume it's just a run by him (which it has always been thus far), then stop running that play!!! :mad:
No, he doesn't, at all. There is NO possible to way to actually prove that this dude sucks after a few plays in his rookie season.
Kubiak had to try something stupid, and it ruined another scoring drive. The Hawks score TD's on 5 STRAIGHT DRIVES. But hey, let's do a play like this and ruin the momentum. Esp. when your defense is gassed, undermanned and can't stop anyone.
 

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It wasn’t a “bad play” per se, its execution was bad.

I didn’t work, if it had, we would be singing praises.

We certainly are a fickle bunch.
 

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It wasn’t a “bad play” per se, its execution was bad.

I didn’t work, if it had, we would be singing praises.

We certainly are a fickle bunch.
If it worked, K9 would've gained a couple of yards (at best).

Whoopie. 🤷‍♂️
 

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No, he doesn't, at all. There is NO possible to way to actually prove that this dude sucks after a few plays in his rookie season.
Kubiak had to try something stupid, and it ruined another scoring drive. The Hawks score TD's on 5 STRAIGHT DRIVES. But hey, let's do a play like this and ruin the momentum. Esp. when your defense is gassed, undermanned and can't stop anyone.
Okay. Then do you agree with me that they should just shut him down (and red-shirt him the rest of the way) since Kubiak doesn't know what the hell he's doing with him?
 

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If Milroe is ever going to be Taysom Hill, he’s going to have to show he can actually run preseason, which he hasn’t.

Like I said if we wanna show off his gadgetry then we would be best calling that against a less formidable opponent and only when we have a comfy lead. Witn sundays results, kubiak will likely call fewer plays in which Milroe could actually help.
 

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It wasn’t a “bad play” per se, its execution was bad.

I didn’t work, if it had, we would be singing praises.

We certainly are a fickle bunch.
Nah, it was a bad play. There was no reason for it. Total momentum killer.
 
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No one on the planet thinks Milroe is gonna throw so there is no sneaking him by…. Let him throw one deep and then we will see how badly defenses crowd the box on him. But I just don’t think we are so desperate for offense that we need to be experimenting like that
 
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