Some whine with that 4th down

[Mase]

-- I keep seeing articles about McVay claiming the Seahawks "lucked out" on the fourth down play late fourth quarter. Stafford has mentioned it too, but Coach McCry behind your playsheet is really selling it as luck. He says we "accidently" double covered Williams out of the backfield. I have watched that play about 20 times now and each time I see the same thing. We show a zero blitz, and when we bail at the snap, both Love and Lawrence peel directly to Williams. Even Big Cat from the other side of the dline makes a bee line that way then flattens out to zone the middle. Hall mans up on Nacua. Yes, that Hall, not what you would consider a coverage LB.

-- What actually happened Sean, is your genius had this play in mind for any must have fourth down. Flood the right side, get at best single coverage for your elusive back. Then Hawks show a zero blitz and you are so fired up, you have them. This is the perfect play call. And it was, but by McDonald, NOT you. This isn't MM thought you might run this, it looks like he 100% knew you would run this. You can even tell Stafford is shocked, as he gives this very uncommitted pump to the middle to try to move them off Williams. Barely looks right where Nacua was barely even trying to get open, then just hopes for the best against our best corner on a tight end. Did I mention is was only a 3 man mush rush, minimal pressure.

-- Sorry to nerd out, but I am a defensive guy and really like what MM has done. His defense isn't the sledgehammer that the Legion was, but more nuanced. In the biggest moment of the year, our head coach owned the golden child.

Mase

 

[Bobblehead]

What ever, McV ay lucked out that the first punt wasn't turned over.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I could name SEVERAL plays that also went the Rams' way. So, F that whining little b****

 

[Dolomight12]

Yeah, I guess I just don't know shit about defensive XO because that looked very intentional, and an adjustment/response to their 1st TD

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I don't see why it's a point against the Seahawks' quality that they somehow ACCIDENTALLY covered a play correctly.

Even if Mike didn't call it, Demarcus obviously must have seen something. It was too intentional. And you would expect exactly that sort of thing from someone with his experience.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

McLame thinks he's the greatest coach we've ever seen. He just can't handle it when he gets outcoached. Or if he makes bad decisions as a coach.
Welcome to football. Players see things and adjust on the fly EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Luckily, you will NEVER hear Coach Mike making excuses or calling another team lucky. The wide open TD for the Rams earlier in the game was a pick play, an illegal play. How is that not lucky?
Reek handing them a "drive" How is that not lucky?
Dude gets a sack and does a 10 second dance, no call. How is that not lucky?
Darnold gets body slammed to the ground and the dude stands over him and screams at him, no call. How is that not lucky?
Rasheed is CLEARLY pushed in the back with BOTH hands on the sideline play while the ball was in the air, no call. How is that not lucky?
The first fumbled punt. How is that not lucky?

 

[hox]

-- Sorry to nerd out, but I am a defensive guy and really like what MM has done. His defense isn't the sledgehammer that the Legion was, but more nuanced. In the biggest moment of the year, our head coach owned the golden child.

He not only owned McVay on that play, he owned Shanny too. Brilliantly called a time out right before 9ers were about to convert that 4th down, because he didn't like something he saw in the formation.

Shanny then panicked and called that silly play to their slow full back, which got blown up immediately.

 

[SeahawkSteve80]

McVay proves to be more classless by the day. He can join Shannahan in Cancun and cuddle each other

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[SocialParasite]

Sean McVay when he realizes he's the 2nd smartest head coach on the field:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

What an absolute tool.

 

[jbwilm]

McVay can luck off.

 

[pmedic920]

Our coach creates his own luck.

Eff McVjay

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I like it. Luck off.

 

[CouchLogic]

 

[JPatera76]

Macdonald confirmed it was intentional and intended by design on his show with Brock and Saulk because also he mentioned how the rams in those situations like doing to Williams specifically.

 

[fraser]

4th down is now a sheep thing. Knucklehead Dan Campbell implemented it and idiots follow. Chicago **** them selves and so did the Donkeys. Take the points in the first quarter or half. Yes! If it’s 4th and inches in the zone I get it. Outside of that there is plenty of game to be plays. The Bears may have walked to the dressing room with 9 points instead of 3. The Donkeys lost to a FG which they decided to go for on 4th. Mike MacDonald doesn’t play that game in the first half unless it’s Barner and inches. Who is the NFL player this year with the most points score? Myers.

Tells the story.

Kept your Dan Campbell mentality to yourself and I’ll stay old school like marty schottenheimer and take the points because the game is 60 minutes.

Just remember the ugly win Seattle achieved with Myers kicking 5 or 6 FG’s. I believe it was the Colts game. Not sure. But it proves my points. Pun intended.

 

[TwistedHusky]

There is a story in the news about how one of our LB coaches almost beat the ish out of one of their coaches in the team elevator at halftime of an earlier game. Kinda wish he did. I hate the Rams. Not sure why they are such colossal d*cks but they are.

They should be talking about how lucky they were to be that close because they never score that TD but for that taunting call.

 

[hawkfan68]

-- I keep seeing articles about McVay claiming the Seahawks "lucked out" on the fourth down play late fourth quarter. Stafford has mentioned it too, but Coach McCry behind your playsheet is really selling it as luck. He says we "accidently" double covered Williams out of the backfield. I have watched that play about 20 times now and each time I see the same thing. We show a zero blitz, and when we bail at the snap, both Love and Lawrence peel directly to Williams. Even Big Cat from the other side of the dline makes a bee line that way then flattens out to zone the middle. Hall mans up on Nacua. Yes, that Hall, not what you would consider a coverage LB.

-- What actually happened Sean, is your genius had this play in mind for any must have fourth down. Flood the right side, get at best single coverage for your elusive back. Then Hawks show a zero blitz and you are so fired up, you have them. This is the perfect play call. And it was, but by McDonald, NOT you. This isn't MM thought you might run this, it looks like he 100% knew you would run this. You can even tell Stafford is shocked, as he gives this very uncommitted pump to the middle to try to move them off Williams. Barely looks right where Nacua was barely even trying to get open, then just hopes for the best against our best corner on a tight end. Did I mention is was only a 3 man mush rush, minimal pressure.

-- Sorry to nerd out, but I am a defensive guy and really like what MM has done. His defense isn't the sledgehammer that the Legion was, but more nuanced. In the biggest moment of the year, our head coach owned the golden child.

Mase

Spot on. McVey was outsmarted and like a petulant 5 yr old kid is throwing a tantrum about it.

 

[sutz]

I believe there are numbers out there somewhere that say the "odds" favor going for it on 4th down. I don't believe those figures take much account of things like game time and field position and the overall situation vis a vis things like momentum and such.

Generally if it's early in the game, you're in field goal range and the score is still low and close, kick the ball. Other situations call for different decisions, but if you've got a decent defense take the points if you can.