Some whine with that 4th down

[fraser]

Also. When you decide to go on 4th and 2 etc in their territory where you can gain a FG and fail it promotes an emotional advantage towards the opponent that you don’t need in the 1st half. Kick the FG. Keep it somber all the while giving your team the understanding that the drive developed into positive results.

 

[fraser]

Also. Let’s remember that teams who decide to go on 4th and 2 etc within the opponents territory during the first half need to understand that if you fail you lend an emotional triumphant attitude towards them. Keep in somber. Kick the FG that tells your team the drive ended with a positive result.

 

[CPHawk]

McLame thinks he's the greatest coach we've ever seen. He just can't handle it when he gets outcoached. Or if he makes bad decisions as a coach.
Welcome to football. Players see things and adjust on the fly EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Luckily, you will NEVER hear Coach Mike making excuses or calling another team lucky. The wide open TD for the Rams earlier in the game was a pick play, an illegal play. How is that not lucky?
Reek handing them a "drive" How is that not lucky?
Dude gets a sack and does a 10 second dance, no call. How is that not lucky?
Darnold gets body slammed to the ground and the dude stands over him and screams at him, no call. How is that not lucky?
Rasheed is CLEARLY pushed in the back with BOTH hands on the sideline play while the ball was in the air, no call. How is that not lucky?
The first fumbled punt. How is that not lucky?

Even if it was deemed uncatchable, the contact was before the ball was in the air. So should have been a 5 yarder and automatic first down. But that why the rakes went 5-0 with that officiating crew, before we beat both of them.

 

[fraser]

Sorry. Same shit sent. Thought my initial text didn’t go throw. 60 years old a stupid. lol.

I honestly don’t do this shit anymore. My apologies.

 

[MORGULON]

-- I keep seeing articles about McVay claiming the Seahawks "lucked out" on the fourth down play late fourth quarter. Stafford has mentioned it too, but Coach McCry behind your playsheet is really selling it as luck. He says we "accidently" double covered Williams out of the backfield. I have watched that play about 20 times now and each time I see the same thing. We show a zero blitz, and when we bail at the snap, both Love and Lawrence peel directly to Williams. Even Big Cat from the other side of the dline makes a bee line that way then flattens out to zone the middle. Hall mans up on Nacua. Yes, that Hall, not what you would consider a coverage LB.

-- What actually happened Sean, is your genius had this play in mind for any must have fourth down. Flood the right side, get at best single coverage for your elusive back. Then Hawks show a zero blitz and you are so fired up, you have them. This is the perfect play call. And it was, but by McDonald, NOT you. This isn't MM thought you might run this, it looks like he 100% knew you would run this. You can even tell Stafford is shocked, as he gives this very uncommitted pump to the middle to try to move them off Williams. Barely looks right where Nacua was barely even trying to get open, then just hopes for the best against our best corner on a tight end. Did I mention is was only a 3 man mush rush, minimal pressure.

-- Sorry to nerd out, but I am a defensive guy and really like what MM has done. His defense isn't the sledgehammer that the Legion was, but more nuanced. In the biggest moment of the year, our head coach owned the golden child.

Mase

Most descriptive post ever describing the glory moment of Mr.
McVay mindtrickf@#ked by OUR guy.

Appreciated

 

[Dolomight12]

McVay proves to be more classless by the day. He can join Shannahan in Cancun and cuddle each other

He just comes off REALLY effing bratty and entitled, with ZERO self awareness. The Saran Wrapesque false bravado ratchets his roundhouse kick to the lower spine factor all the way past 9000, for a grand total final score of: Fall face first into a homeless encampment shit-pit! I stG, that ONE single solitary, micro mini short mfer has....wait--him and Punkass Nacua's punkasses--have straight stolen the divisional hate that I had for the "Lame Lame Niner Gang"... And I can't stand them bitches!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Rams, their fans, their players, their coach can all cry my a fricken river.
Let's be real here.

Against the Hawks, the Rams were 1 for 8 on 3rd downs.
In the playoffs, the Rams were a rip snortin 11 FOR 39 ON FIRST DOWNS. Repeat, 11 FOR 39.

Look in the mirror you whiney little b****

 

[olyfan63]

-- I keep seeing articles about McVay claiming the Seahawks "lucked out" on the fourth down play late fourth quarter. Stafford has mentioned it too, but Coach McCry behind your playsheet is really selling it as luck. He says we "accidently" double covered Williams out of the backfield. I have watched that play about 20 times now and each time I see the same thing. We show a zero blitz, and when we bail at the snap, both Love and Lawrence peel directly to Williams. Even Big Cat from the other side of the dline makes a bee line that way then flattens out to zone the middle. Hall mans up on Nacua. Yes, that Hall, not what you would consider a coverage LB.

-- What actually happened Sean, is your genius had this play in mind for any must have fourth down. Flood the right side, get at best single coverage for your elusive back. Then Hawks show a zero blitz and you are so fired up, you have them. This is the perfect play call. And it was, but by McDonald, NOT you. This isn't MM thought you might run this, it looks like he 100% knew you would run this. You can even tell Stafford is shocked, as he gives this very uncommitted pump to the middle to try to move them off Williams. Barely looks right where Nacua was barely even trying to get open, then just hopes for the best against our best corner on a tight end. Did I mention is was only a 3 man mush rush, minimal pressure.

-- Sorry to nerd out, but I am a defensive guy and really like what MM has done. His defense isn't the sledgehammer that the Legion was, but more nuanced. In the biggest moment of the year, our head coach owned the golden child.

Mase

3 man rush?!! I believe it was actually a 2-man pass rush that Stafford faced, as Lawrence was planned to be pass-rushing, but instead peeled off to cover Williams. So in theory Stafford could have ttaken more time to find the perfect throw.

 

[DTiempo81]

I believe there are numbers out there somewhere that say the "odds" favor going for it on 4th down. I don't believe those figures take much account of things like game time and field position and the overall situation vis a vis things like momentum and such.

Generally if it's early in the game, you're in field goal range and the score is still low and close, kick the ball. Other situations call for different decisions, but if you've got a decent defense take the points if you can.

I think it's the exact opposite. All of those odds are based on previous situations that have occurred, including game time, field position, score, etc. What they can't account for is play call, team strength, etc.

 

[hawks85]

Mcvay, wanna talk about luck. What about that punt in the first match up at the end of the game. Had that punt bounced into the end zone, you lose that game and you'd be 0-3 against the world champs this year.

 

[Jac]

I think it's the exact opposite. All of those odds are based on previous situations that have occurred, including game time, field position, score, etc. What they can't account for is play call, team strength, etc.

Exactly this. This particular predictive analytic is based on those types of model features. But offenses still need to factor in whether they have the personnel and play call to be successful when the analytic tells them to go. And McVay did...and that's what's driving him crazy! If not for a brilliant read/adjustment by Lawrence (which the model obviously doesn't account for), they probably score, maybe win, and then win the SB.