Geno injury

[nwHawk]

I disagree, our trenches is whats holding this team back. All this talent at the skill positions and we can't score? You can bring in the latest and greatest thing at QB put him behind this OLine, and guarentee you'll get the same thing.

Preach! I’ve been saying “fix the trenches” for a decade!

 

[James in PA]

From MM's Monday's presser: He sounds optimistic that Geno should be able to play against the Vikes.

 

[toffee]

I don’t think it’s new damage though, it’s who he is. His poor decision making only occurs when the moment is big. He does fine in empty yardage situations

Shall we shake hands and agree to disagree on this one?

 

[toffee]

From MM's Monday's presser: He sounds optimistic that Geno should be able to play against the Vikes.

Umm, bad news for GeNOs, and Howell fanboys.

 

[flv2]

Smith has always had a high percentage of sacks on his drop-backs. It's a consequence of making late decisions and trying to extend plays. Some QBs fumble, some QBs rush into bad decisions, Smith takes sacks. It's annoying but it's not the worst trait to have.

pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitGe00.htm

 

[Spin Doctor]

Smith has always had a high percentage of sacks on his drop-backs. It's a consequence of making late decisions and trying to extend plays. Some QBs fumble, some QBs rush into bad decisions, Smith takes sacks. It's annoying but it's not the worst trait to have.

pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitGe00.htm

Geno doesn't have a great internal clock. He sits back at the edge of his drop and senses when guys are bearing down on him a skosh too late. Guys such as Brady had great internal clocks. They'd also make subtle little moves in the pocket too set up blocks and make their offensive lines job easier.

Geno notices things like this a tick too late.

 

[Hollandhawk]

Smith has always had a high percentage of sacks on his drop-backs. It's a consequence of making late decisions and trying to extend plays. Some QBs fumble, some QBs rush into bad decisions, Smith takes sacks. It's annoying but it's not the worst trait to have.

pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitGe00.htm

I'd say this has something to do with bad decision making (leading the league in red zone interceptions and third worst qb rating in the red zone).

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[NoGain]

Yup. Geno is not a good redzone QB. It requires quick processing and execution and oftentimes throws into tight windows. It's his weakness.

 

[flv2]

I'd say this has something to do with bad decision making (leading the league in red zone interceptions and third worst qb rating in the red zone).

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I wasn't crapping on Smith. My comment was more in relation to Garoppolo and QBs like him who just guess which receiver is open or who they should throw to when instantly pressured. For example Smith will hold onto the ball and take a sack on 4th down rather than just throw the ball up for grabs. It's a situational 'football IQ' decision. On 3rd down you take the sack. On 4th down you should throw it up for grabs.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Shall we shake hands and agree to disagree on this one?

Definitely

 

[Sperrydogg]

Umm, bad news for GeNOs, and Howell fanboys.

He’s back cause it was just a boo-boo

 

[SonicHawk]

Yup. Geno is not a good redzone QB. It requires quick processing and execution and oftentimes throws into tight windows. It's his weakness.

Except, that is not what's happening. The INT on Sunday night was not "late decision making" it was pressure getting at the exact same time that Fant is meant to be open.

I don't think Geno has elite quickness in his decision making, but for all the "holding on to the ball" rhetoric, I just don't see it that much.

Because Geno's stats are so poor in the RZ I've spent a lot of time in the All 22 and have come to the conclusion that our offense is just bad. Playcalling, Geno's inaccuracy at times -- sometimes that we just can't get a good run in the RZ.

Our receivers are also woefully inept at getting open and whether that's just running routes that ignore where the defense actually plays or actual ineptitude.

I want to be clear, Geno has also made some horrrrrrrible throws in the RZ this year, but it's not solely on him.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Except, that is not what's happening. The INT on Sunday night was not "late decision making" it was pressure getting at the exact same time that Fant is meant to be open.

I don't think Geno has elite quickness in his decision making, but for all the "holding on to the ball" rhetoric, I just don't see it that much.

Because Geno's stats are so poor in the RZ I've spent a lot of time in the All 22 and have come to the conclusion that our offense is just bad. Playcalling, Geno's inaccuracy at times -- sometimes that we just can't get a good run in the RZ.

Our receivers are also woefully inept at getting open and whether that's just running routes that ignore where the defense actually plays or actual ineptitude.

I want to be clear, Geno has also made some horrrrrrrible throws in the RZ this year, but it's not solely on him.

Our personnel in the passing game is ill suited for redzone success. We don't have any receivers that attack the ball and have the size to win in that confined space. Everything screams run the ball down there, but we can't do that anywhere on the field.
So what we get is Grubb forcing a passing game that doesn't fit our personnel. All of this ends up with Geno forcing it more than he needs to.
The bottom line on offense, is the players are not being put in the best position relative to their strengths, to have even a chance to be moderately successful. Often times they're being put in positions that exacerbate their limitations.

 

[cymatica]

Our personnel in the passing game is ill suited for redzone success. We don't have any receivers that attack the ball and have the size to win in that confined space.

Well we do have one who is incapable of using his size. He could easily just box defenders out without high pointing with that frame

 

[bigskydoc]

Tom Brady had 46 comeback victories in the 4th quarter (all time career leader). Patrick Mahomes has had 5 this year. Jared Goff has 4 this year.

Maybe you should beat a different drum.

It’s primarily a marker of longevity, (Career leaders are Brady, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, Stafford…), and a byproduct of being successful.

Successful quarterbacks will play in more games, and thus amass more of these drives, but amassing them over a short time frame doesn’t necessarily indicate that one is a good quarterback.

On a “per number of games played” basis, Geno has about twice as many as Brady. Is he about twice as good?

It’s a down year for Mahomes and the Chiefs. He is 45th overall for total career game winning drives. Goff is 62nd. Geno is 79th. Derek Carr is 13th. Kerry Collins 22nd, Jake Plummer 23rd, Tony Romo 25th.

 

[Rat]

Hopefully whatever's the problem isn't in the back of his mind on Sunday. I wish it was Bears week, but unfortunately, the season hinges on Geno being his best version against the 12-2 Vikings.

Vikings have some odd defensive splits. Going into their game last night against whatever it is the Bears are doing, they had the 30th-ranked pass defense, but lead the NFL in INTs, are sixth in sacks, and give up the third-lowest QB rating.

This could be a make or break week. Glad we're getting them on a short week. Wish it wasn't at home.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Def. not playoff bound w/out Geno. I may get on him, but I also am under no illusion that Howell is better. Nope.
Yet another pick in the red zone sucked, but he wasn't even close to the reason they lost. Hawks got flat out dominated on both sides of the ball. And honestly, it never felt like they were even in the game. Extremely frustrating how unprepared they looked. And Grubb needs to go. I'm just done with is play calling.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geno could start at his own 1 yard line and put on a masterclass and drive 80 yards without an issue. It's those remaing 10 yards or so, especially if playing from behind, that the hero ball comes out and he feels the need to force throws that unfortunately in more instances than not result in a turnover.

No doubt. Between the 20's, he's VERY good, imo.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Our personnel in the passing game is ill suited for redzone success. We don't have any receivers that attack the ball and have the size to win in that confined space. Everything screams run the ball down there, but we can't do that anywhere on the field.
So what we get is Grubb forcing a passing game that doesn't fit our personnel. All of this ends up with Geno forcing it more than he needs to.
The bottom line on offense, is the players are not being put in the best position relative to their strengths, to have even a chance to be moderately successful. Often times they're being put in positions that exacerbate their limitations.

The problem is, this has been an issue with Waldron too. It's not just a OC issue. RW even had a better TD percentage among the same OC with a screwed up hand. This is a Geno issue as much as it is an OC one.

 

[OrangeGravy]

The problem is, this has been an issue with Waldron too. It's not just a OC issue. RW even had a better TD percentage among the same OC with a screwed up hand. This is a Geno issue as much as it is an OC one.

What was Geno's td/int ratio in the redzone last season with Waldron?