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I don't really care. We've got our guy, and that's all that matters to us.
I don't put much stock in the Wonderlic unless a guy has a really terrible score. Marino scored in the teens and that didn't exactly hurt him.49fansince70":35na4v35 said:Had to go with CK here. He's taller, smarter (37 vs. 28 on the wonderlic). Both are fast, both have great arms. RW has a better touch on his passes IMO. One thing I noticed with CK (and RW, for that matter) right off the bat is, unlike Alex Smith, he can throw his receivers open.
I suspect CK's 'fumbling the snap' problem was more due to weather in NE and was corrected in the second half, so I'd be skeptical of statistical analysis that points to the number of fumbles.
Right now RW runs the offense better than CK does, and that could make all the difference in the upcoming game.
CK has a slight edge in quality of receiving targets, both teams have decent WR's, but the 49ers have Vernon Davis (see how I didn't go with initials there?).
Hopefully this argument will go back and forth for years to come.
AbsolutNET":2j7i7mt8 said:WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. Are you trying to tell me that 9er fans think Kap is better, and Hawks fans think Wilson is better?
Largent80":rwnjjoh8 said:Wilson is so much better it isn't even close.
amill87":6m7teyjt said:Marvin,
Wilson started out slow because the playbook was held back for him as a rookie. How about we just look at the last 6 games between the two?
TDS: Wilson: 11 Kaep: 7
Avg QB rating: Wilson: 113.5 Kaep: 100
Turnovers: Wilson: 1 INT 3 fumbles Kaep: 2 INT 8 fumbles
Avg comp %: Kaep 66.4 Wilson 64.1
Kaep has been good since he's taken over but Wilson has been even better. I mentioned this in another thread, the Niners defense is still what is carrying the team. Wilson is now carrying the Seahawks.
Also the Seahawks have played the #20, #8, #17, #5, #11, and #24 ranked defenses. While the Niners have played #9 twice, #5, #32, #17, and #27 ranked defenses. Take the average ranking of the defenses faced and the Seahawks have played the 14.1 ranked defense while the Niners have played the 16.5 ranked defense.
Also as Sando has pointed out, Wilson leads the NFL in QBR since week 6 (when we started opening the playbook for him) and he is second to only Aaron Rodgers in qb rating in the past 10 weeks
RolandDeschain":3m16t990 said:Marvin, while I agree that Largent's "it isn't even close" statement is over the top, you can't compare their first 5 starts. Kaepernick studied and learned for a year-and-a-half, plus playoff experience through the NFCCG. Wilson's first 5 starts were right off the bat as a rookie. That is NOT comparable, no matter how much you may want it to be.
Kaepernick is taking twice as many sacks and is fumbling the football FIVE TIMES MORE than Wilson. Those are the two really telling ones. Even if you completely remove his 4 fumbles @ Foxboro, he's fumbling quite a bit more per game than Wilson, and I'm including every game for Wilson in that average.
If Kaepernick keeps fumbling and taking sacks (the latter one points to better athleticism/pocket presence by Wilson, IMO) the way he has been, he's never going to be a great QB.
Marvin49":27alqnwj said:Well...
1) Kaep hasn't started 6 games...he has started 5. He came in for an injured Alex Smith in that first Rams game. I also MADE that comparison in my post...so not sure why you are rehashing the argument unless its just to try to scew the number to throw in a 3TD game for Wilson
2) My entire argument isn't that "Kaep is better". I'm saying its not a case that it "isn't even close" You can say that Kaep had a full year, but you can also say that Wilson came in MUCH more pro ready than Kaep did. Kaep was RAW when he was drafted.
amill87":woyz3h24 said:Marvin49":woyz3h24 said:Well...
1) Kaep hasn't started 6 games...he has started 5. He came in for an injured Alex Smith in that first Rams game. I also MADE that comparison in my post...so not sure why you are rehashing the argument unless its just to try to scew the number to throw in a 3TD game for Wilson
2) My entire argument isn't that "Kaep is better". I'm saying its not a case that it "isn't even close" You can say that Kaep had a full year, but you can also say that Wilson came in MUCH more pro ready than Kaep did. Kaep was RAW when he was drafted.
I would counter that with Wilson has left the past two games early. Wilson has 143 attempts over that span and Kaep has 145. So they have nearly the same attempts but Wilson is doing more.
:13:RolandDeschain":m4qbki42 said:AbsolutNET":m4qbki42 said:WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. Are you trying to tell me that 9er fans think Kap is better, and Hawks fans think Wilson is better?
Some Seahawks "fans" seem to think Kaepernick is better. WHIP OUT THE BAN STICK! :lol:
Marvin49":pu5zfcom said:amill87":pu5zfcom said:Marvin49":pu5zfcom said:Well...
1) Kaep hasn't started 6 games...he has started 5. He came in for an injured Alex Smith in that first Rams game. I also MADE that comparison in my post...so not sure why you are rehashing the argument unless its just to try to scew the number to throw in a 3TD game for Wilson
2) My entire argument isn't that "Kaep is better". I'm saying its not a case that it "isn't even close" You can say that Kaep had a full year, but you can also say that Wilson came in MUCH more pro ready than Kaep did. Kaep was RAW when he was drafted.
I would counter that with Wilson has left the past two games early. Wilson has 143 attempts over that span and Kaep has 145. So they have nearly the same attempts but Wilson is doing more.
LOL, is that how it works now?
Sigh.
Anything to make the number say what you want, right? I uncluded the last 5 games for Wilson in my initial post (which are better than Kaep), but that just wasn't enough? LOL. Say what you want about the respective defenses, but I'd like to see Wilson go into Foxborough in December and knock off the Pats with 4 TD passes.
I have alot of respect for Russell Wilson, but you guys are making it out like he's the next Montana and kaep is just a flash in the pan. Its pretty comical. LOL.