More on Lance

[FrodosFinger]

He has 2 really bad decisions that were nearly picked off. He had a few plays where he really should have pulled the trigger and for some reason held the ball. He also threw 2 or 3 passes that were impressive (one where he dropped the ball in behind the linebacker....but that's not enough.

He doesn't cannon the ball on every throw anymore. He's actually shortened his release and the ball comes out much faster...as long as he pulls the trigger.

If he can start making faster decisions and letting it rip, he'll look much better. Problem is that I said the same thing about Alex Smith and it took him almost 10 years to develop and even then he was too risk averse.

Remains to be seen with Trey. He didn't play well on Sunday, but national media reaction is just WAY, WAY over the top.

He looked putrid out there. I think your coach will slowly distance himself from Lance and basically wash his hands of his own stupid mistake. Lance was never an NFL caliber quarterback but neither was Tim Couch and Jamarcus Russell. The Covid year screwed that particular draft. Funny thing is 49er fans still think he’s the next Michael Vick lmao
Drew Lock has more talent in his pinky than Lance has in his whole body

 

[Marvin49]

Agree with this. Pundits are just piling on, they love to kick a guy when he's down. Lance hasn't been terrible, and it's only preseason anyway.

I'm kind of surprised that Shanahan has made up his mind so fast, with a couple of viable options there in addition to Brock Purdy. And is Purdy such a huge upgrade over Garoppolo? I don't believe it. You could argue that Garoppolo had a bigger upside.

In the long run, Lynch and Shanahan might regret how they treated Jimmy. Jimmy might not have been elite, but you could win with Jimmy. He did everything they asked of him, and more, even though they treated him like shit.

Here's an interesting take on the situation:

49ers believe Jimmy Garoppolo ‘tuned them out’ in ugly end to relationship

The 49ers believed viewed Jimmy Garoppolo as an ‘ex-49er’ during his final days with the franchise.

nypost.com

Purdy was the guy from the start (as in this season). He impressed in a big way last year. He was always gonna start. Treys best chance to start this year was Purdy not being healthy, but he made it back for camp.

Purdy IS much better than Jimmy. Statistically you don't see a huge difference (particularly last year as Jimmy was having his best season), but where you REALLY see it is plays off schedule. Purdy isn't a giant and he doesn't run like Fields, but he IS mobile...particularly within the pocket. Two of the TDs he threw vs Seattle in the playoff game were plays that broke down, he moved off his spot, and he hit a RB for a TD.

With Jimmy, that's a incompletion, a turnover, or a sack.

I liked Jimmy so not trying to attack him here, but Brock has a higher upside than Jimmy. He played the way he did as a rookie while Jimmy played that was as a 9 year vet.

We have seen QBs flash before and then burn out quickly. Kap comes to mind.

For better or worse though, Purdy has made his case for Kyle. We'll see how it pans out.

 

[Marvin49]

He looked putrid out there. I think your coach will slowly distance himself from Lance and basically wash his hands of his own stupid mistake. Lance was never an NFL caliber quarterback but neither was Tim Couch and Jamarcus Russell. The Covid year screwed that particular draft. Funny thing is 49er fans still think he’s the next Michael Vick lmao
Drew Lock has more talent in his pinky than Lance has in his whole body

oi. This guy.

Listen Arlos, nobody in SF thinks he's Mike Vick. First off, while he's mobile he's never been nor been expected to be THAT mobile.

The kid has talent. Really don't care if you see it or not, but he does.

This is the thing....When you combine talent with work ethic and character, more often then not you get a good player. The problem is time. If anything, Trey reminds me most right now of Alex Smith. Talented, but afraid to make a mistake and holding the ball too long. Alex used to hold the ball until he was SURE and windows that were open closed on him.

Trey needs to learn to just RIP it. Just go. Trust his eyes and go.

Some never get there tho. We'll see.

 

[Marvin49]

Why do 49er fans what to see him get more time?

This is why:


He needs reps in the worst way. He'd be getting them too if not for Purdy. Maybe he follows a Wilson path here if he did get those reps, but its just WAY, WAY to early to say.

The situation here isn't that the 49ers now hate Trey. The issue is that they are in a win now mode and another guy came out of nowhere and was lights out till he got hurt. Purdy is what has changed the entire dynamic.

 

[bileever]

Purdy IS much better than Jimmy.

I'm not convinced about that. I thought Jimmy was really good that first year with the 49ers before he got hurt. And that Super Bowl year, he completed almost 70 percent of his passes and threw for almost 4000 yards. I'm still not sure why Shanahan, Lynch and the 49er fan base soured on the guy.

As a Seahawk fan, I'm glad Jimmy is gone. I am worried about Purdy, but it's still too early to tell what he's going to be. I think it's way too optimistic for you to say that Purdy is "much better" than Jimmy.

 

[CactusJack]

Purdy & Jimmy are the same guy.



Jimmy was better than Niners fans will want to admit. The thing that hurt him was his durability.

Purdy can have a similar type of career. But he has his limitations just like Jimmy. That's why he nearly went undrafted.

 

[bileever]

Btw, what do 49er fans make of Lance not getting any reps in the last practice before the next preseason game? He's scheduled to play in the second half, but giving him 5 reps in practice seems to be setting him up for failure.

49ers Practice Notes: Lance lightly involved ahead of second preseason game

It was a lengthy day for Brock Purdy and a short one for Trey Lance.

www.knbr.com

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

oi. This guy.

Listen Arlos, nobody in SF thinks he's Mike Vick. First off, while he's mobile he's never been nor been expected to be THAT mobile.

The kid has talent. Really don't care if you see it or not, but he does.

This is the thing....When you combine talent with work ethic and character, more often then not you get a good player. The problem is time. If anything, Trey reminds me most right now of Alex Smith. Talented, but afraid to make a mistake and holding the ball too long. Alex used to hold the ball until he was SURE and windows that were open closed on him.

Trey needs to learn to just RIP it. Just go. Trust his eyes and go.

Some never get there tho. We'll see.

Barrows of the Athletic has made the same comparison.

Archive here https://archive.ph/99KcO

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Why do 49er fans what to see him get more time?

This is why:
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He needs reps in the worst way. He'd be getting them too if not for Purdy. Maybe he follows a Wilson path here if he did get those reps, but its just WAY, WAY to early to say.

The situation here isn't that the 49ers now hate Trey. The issue is that they are in a win now mode and another guy came out of nowhere and was lights out till he got hurt. Purdy is what has changed the entire dynamic.

Well sort of, but they guaranteed 4.5 m to Darnold. You just don’t do that if there’s so much confidence in Trey. And lets not forget that 49ers Twitter ghosted Trey almost Entirely after Christmas.

Im not seeing an Alex Smith in Lance as much as I am a potential Josh Rosen or Paxton Lynch. How can someone in his THIRD YEAR OF PRESEASON get bested by a team led by fifth round rookie Aidan o Connell who got his first nfl exposure?

 

[49fansinceBrodie]

Well sort of, but they guaranteed 4.5 m to Darnold. You just don’t do that if there’s so much confidence in Trey. And lets not forget that 49ers Twitter ghosted Trey almost Entirely after Christmas.

Im not seeing an Alex Smith in Lance as much as I am a potential Josh Rosen or Paxton Lynch. How can someone in his THIRD YEAR OF PRESEASON get bested by a team led by fifth round rookie Aidan o Connell who got his first nfl exposure?

1) Preseason means nothing
2) Injuries have hindered his development.

 

[Marvin49]

I'm not convinced about that. I thought Jimmy was really good that first year with the 49ers before he got hurt. And that Super Bowl year, he completed almost 70 percent of his passes and threw for almost 4000 yards. I'm still not sure why Shanahan, Lynch and the 49er fan base soured on the guy.

As a Seahawk fan, I'm glad Jimmy is gone. I am worried about Purdy, but it's still too early to tell what he's going to be. I think it's way too optimistic for you to say that Purdy is "much better" than Jimmy.

Fair...I think what I mean is that he played much better than Jimmy despite the stats being close.

This is no slight on Jimmy. I like Jimmy. This is a compliment to how Purdy played. I don't think people realize he was the highest rated QB in the NFL in the second half of the year and the 49ers averaged 33 points per game which let the NFL over that span.

Is it possible Purdy comes crashing down to Earth? Sure it is...but the 49ers aren't betting on it and I tend to agree.

The other Diff? Jimmy was making 27 mil per year. He's making 24 mil in Las Vegas.

Purdy? 900K.

Its all a gamble, but Jimmy was never coming back to SF. His tendency to disappear over the offseason and when he was injured rubbed the front office the wrong way.

 

[Marvin49]

Btw, what do 49er fans make of Lance not getting any reps in the last practice before the next preseason game? He's scheduled to play in the second half, but giving him 5 reps in practice seems to be setting him up for failure.

49ers Practice Notes: Lance lightly involved ahead of second preseason game

It was a lengthy day for Brock Purdy and a short one for Trey Lance.

www.knbr.com

My take is we make WAY, WAY, WAY too much of what happens in practice with ZERO context.

Trey needs GAME reps...my honestly my concern is that he'll never get them in SF. He's looked good in camp and despite that struggled in the game. Why? My guess is it was first game action where he could get hit and people forget he's returning from broken ankle. Then again maybe he will just never be that guy. All we know for sure is he needs more game reps to find out and SF doesn't have many to give.

 

[Marvin49]

Well sort of, but they guaranteed 4.5 m to Darnold. You just don’t do that if there’s so much confidence in Trey. And lets not forget that 49ers Twitter ghosted Trey almost Entirely after Christmas.

Im not seeing an Alex Smith in Lance as much as I am a potential Josh Rosen or Paxton Lynch. How can someone in his THIRD YEAR OF PRESEASON get bested by a team led by fifth round rookie Aidan o Connell who got his first nfl exposure?

Disagree.

Darnold was signed because:

1) BOTH of their QBs were coming off injuries. People seem to forget Lance was hurt as well.
2) Darnold wanted to play in SF to rekindle his career. If he does well, next year he's a free agent and he has a year in the system that now several teams are running.
3) The 49ers needed FIVE Qbs last year. 4.5 mil is nothing (and I think that's if he hits incentives, but could be wrong) when starter makes 900k. They don't want to be caught pinning their SB hopes on Josh Johnson.

More than Anything, Darnold was insurance. There was no guarantee that either Purdy or Lance wouldn't have a setback and be unavailable and this is a team with SB asperations.

As for the last question....Aidan O'Connell has nothing to do with this.

Trey was certainly indecisive, but the line play was atrocious. It was also his first time in live action since he's been injured vs Seattle last year. Also...and nobody seems to want to point this out...he IMPROVED as the game went on and he got into the flow. Some of his best throws were his last ones before half.

One of his biggest faults and this seems to happen every time he plays is that he starts slow and improves throughout the game. That SCREAMS to me a guy who needs more reps.

 

[CactusJack]

The jury is out on Lance. Shady said it best.




He's not going to last in SF. He'll get another opportunity elsewhere. Likely bounce around the league as a backup for a bit. Maybe he'll eventually end up playing in the USFL. But the script is written on him.

 

[Weadoption]

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[49fansinceBrodie]

The jury is out on Lance. Shady said it best.




He's not going to last in SF. He'll get another opportunity elsewhere. Likely bounce around the league as a backup for a bit. Maybe he'll eventually end up playing in the USFL. But the script is written on him.

if it's on twitter it must be true, right?

 

[CactusJack]

if it's on twitter it must be true, right?

The truth.

It's understandable that some Niners fans won't like it. Object & hide from it. Even though it will only lead them to disappointment.

But facts are what they are.

 

[Maulbert]

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Your most intelligent post on this forum yet.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I’m too lazy to look it up but what are Timmy K’s and the Cohen family’s (unapproved writers list) opinion on the Niners QB situation is.

 

[Marvin49]

I’m too lazy to look it up but what are Timmy K’s and the Cohen family’s (unapproved writers list) opinion on the Niners QB situation is.

I'm proud of you for remembering.

Answer: Tim K - Not sure actually what his opinion is on Lance, but I've softened a bit on Tim. Since he moved over to the Athletic he's less "shock jock" than he used to be. As for the Cohns...thats actually pretty funny. Lowell is effectively retired but they don't even agree with each other....

Grant actually exposes his own father on this. LOL. Lowell has always been a whiny, holier than tho, embarrassment to the profession. He essentially says Lance shouldn't even be on the team but can't even name the 4th string QB.