For those thinking we ever changed anything for Wilson think again.

[KinesProf]

Every football coach in the world would agree with that quote.

 

[John63]

Key part to me about that PC quote: "moves the football around to guys that are open"

This was a major hole in Russ' game - especially on third down... It is what it is. Time to move on.

That was after 1 bad game he reigned it in. That was his problem his beloved run game could suck for game after game and his answer was run more. But the pass game had 1 bad game time to reign it in.

 

[John63]

Key part to me about that PC quote: "moves the football around to guys that are open"

This was a major hole in Russ' game - especially on third down... It is what it is. Time to move on.

You see that is a point not supported by facts. If yoy look at most games u seen 5+ different people with receptions.

 

[John63]

Wilson played poorly, probably one of his worse games, but he threw the ball 27times. Everyone played poorly, offensively, defensively, and coaching. It was a complete team failure.

Metcalf tantrum
Turnovers
oline swiss cheese
penalties
couldn't stop the run

You see and there in lies one of the biggest issues I have with some. The need exaggerations to make Wilson look bad. Someone says 40 passes to make it look like he got to throw alot when the reality isnur was 27.

 

[Welshers]

How are the Broncos boards, John? What is your post count up to over there? Have you got your new RW Denver jersey yet?

 

[hoxrox]

You see and there in lies one of the biggest issues I have with some. The need exaggerations to make Wilson look bad. Someone says 40 passes to make it look like he got to throw alot when the reality isnur was 27.

I stand corrected. It was the Green Bay game where he inexplicable threw 40 times a game... and we scored zero points that day. But the point remains. The Rams playoff game still featured a pass heavy offense that fails when a QB cannot distribute the ball and utilize an entire field.

 

[hoxrox]

You see that is a point not supported by facts. If yoy look at most games u seen 5+ different people with receptions.

That was after 1 bad game he reigned it in. That was his problem his beloved run game could suck for game after game and his answer was run more. But the pass game had 1 bad game time to reign it in.

One bad game? Nah, he had a stretch of 4 games where he turned it over 10 times. Fumbles recovered by the other team also counts as a turnover.

 

[John63]

How are the Broncos boards, John? What is your post count up to over there? Have you got your new RW Denver jersey yet?

And then there is this. No value to the conversation juts chdish attempts to belittle another Seahawks fan.

 

[John63]

I stand corrected. It was the Green Bay game where he inexplicable threw 40 times a game... and we scored zero points that day. But the point remains. The Rams playoff game still featured a pass heavy offense that fails when a QB cannot distribute the ball and utilize an entire field.

27 attempts is pass heavey?heavy? The SB winning teams through over 37 times a game. 27 is not pass heavy. The avg is 34 so sorry 27 is not pass heavy.

 

[rcaido]

I stand corrected. It was the Green Bay game where he inexplicable threw 40 times a game... and we scored zero points that day. But the point remains. The Rams playoff game still featured a pass heavy offense that fails when a QB cannot distribute the ball and utilize an entire field.

27 attempts is not a pass heavy offense.

During the season, the lowest amount attempt average was 25.5 by the Ravens. 31st lowest was the Patriots which was 27.5. So by that definition, the Seahawks threw 31st rank average.

That game Seahawks
Pass 27 times
Rush 25 times

It was pretty much 50/50.

 

[John63]

One bad game? Nah, he had a stretch of 4 games where he turned it over 10 times. Fumbles recovered by the other team also counts as a turnover.

Once again exaggerated he had 1 lost fumble all season. And ince aging wrong on 4 game 10 ints. In 2020 the most ints in any 4 game stretch was 7. Now let's go further in 2020 Wilson had 3 games with a passer rating below 80, 5 below 90, and the rest above 100. Guess what that was right In the same range as all the top QBs. He so had 40 tds and was top 5 in tds, passer rating, and yards. So again a an exageration

 

[hoxrox]

27 attempts is not a pass heavy offense.

During the season, the lowest amount attempt average was 25.5 by the Ravens. 31st lowest was the Patriots which was 27.5. So by that definition, the Seahawks threw 31st rank average.

That game Seahawks
Pass 27 times
Rush 25 times

It was pretty much 50/50.

How I saw that game.. Russ was 11/27 passing. He was 2/14 on 3rd down. Our featured back Carson only ran it 16 times. Meanwhile Cam Akers ran it 28 times... "Pass heavy" or not. There was no balance in that game. Even Lockett, a receiver, said after that game, they should have ran it more.

 

[rcaido]

One bad game? Nah, he had a stretch of 4 games where he turned it over 10 times. Fumbles recovered by the other team also counts as a turnover.

The year they let Russ cook for half the year, Wilson was still an MVP candidate.

Team went 12-4
4,000+ yrds
40+ tds
69% Completion
500+ yrds rushing
3 game winning drives

 

[hoxrox]

The year they let Russ cook for half the year, Wilson was still an MVP candidate.

Team went 12-4
4,000+ yrds
40+ tds
69% Completion
500+ yrds rushing
3 game winning drives

This is true but what is forgotten is that Carson was healthy during the first half of the year. Once Chris went down, and Russ was tasked to cook by himself, he burnt all the meals.

Look it, he may still have success in Denver if they have a solid run game, and their receivers know the scramble drill... But if that offense is going to feature Russ throwing 40 times a game, their fans will be disappointed.

 

[rcaido]

How I saw that game.. Russ was 11/27 passing. He was 2/14 on 3rd down. Our featured back Carson only ran it 16 times. Meanwhile Cam Akers ran it 28 times... "Pass heavy" or not. There was no balance in that game. Even Lockett, a receiver, said after that game, they should have ran it more.

i agree w/ Locket, they should have ran the ball more. As our oline couldn't stop Donald and WR couldn't get open. We had some costly turnovers and penalties too. When you're behind, you have to throw the ball. Then they tack in false starts and holding, giving Russ 1st & 25 or 2 & 24 was not very ideal, when the o-line couldn't block.

This is true but what is forgotten is that Carson was healthy during the first half of the year. Once Chris went down, and Russ was tasked to cook by himself, he burnt all the meals.

Look it, he may still have success in Denver if they have a solid run game, and their receivers know the scramble drill... But if that offense is going to feature Russ throwing 40 times a game, their fans will be disappointed.

Yeah, Carson getting injured did affect Wilson play during that stretch but they still won games. Once he got back, they should have let Wilson cook again, instead Pete handcuffed Wilson second half of the season. They went 12-4, mostly because of Wilson as usual. Players will have bad games, all the great ones had them that season. Not sure why everyone was so critical of Wilson.

 

[TwistedHusky]

The problem with the PeteBall philosophy is that it works. So it can be easy to focus on that as a regular-season strategy.

Against below .500 and near .500 teams, it works tremendously well. You put yourself in a position to capitalize on mistakes, and no surprise to anyone, bad teams make more of them. But good teams don't. ESPECIALLY in the playoffs with more time to prepare.

So we find ourselves down a few TDs at halftime and hurriedly cobble together something leveraging our QB, since we have to pass the ball. Of course, by then, they know we have to pass the ball and our OL isn't even that practiced at pass blocking since they have been PeteBalling it for half a year. So they struggle, so does our QB.

It is better to do worse in the regular season but have a better chance in the playoffs. This is something Pete never grasped. Not sure he is capable of comprehending it. The goal is NOT to win every game. It is to advance furthest in the playoffs.

Unless that isn't the goal at all. If the goal is just to make a good showing to placate fans (call this the 'Mariner Effect' for the team that mastered it), then sure.

Either way, Wilson comes in - with a garbage gameplan, because the coaches doggedly put together a single unwinnable strategy and then at halftime he is forced to pass with a gameplan scratched in the dirt in desperation. It is a wonder he could do anything at all.

Wilson has plenty of flaws, but most of the playoff failures are due to terrible/horrifically bad gameplans he was saddled with until the 2nd half of freaking playoff games regularly (he did completely bomb against Carolina, that one was all on him)

 

[morgulon1]

Pete added read-option specifically to take advantage of Russell’s physical ability. He talked about becoming the best team at the scramble drlll specifically to take advantage of what Russ could do. He dumped two different OCs because of Russ, and gave Russ a say in hiring Waldron.

Stop saying Pete never made any changes for Russ.

I agree . I think if anything Pete Carroll and John Schneider tried to accommodate lil #3
To their own detriment. PC doesn't need a 35 year old 5'10" qb who wants to throw for 5000 yards per season. . I think they shouldve ran him out of town last time he forced a new contract

 

[John63]

How I saw that game.. Russ was 11/27 passing. He was 2/14 on 3rd down. Our featured back Carson only ran it 16 times. Meanwhile Cam Akers ran it 28 times... "Pass heavy" or not. There was no balance in that game. Even Lockett, a receiver, said after that game, they should have ran it more.

except again as shown we ran it almost the same as passed it. 25 rushes to 27 passes. Should we have run it more perhaps? But also remember the Rams Qb through the ball 25 times only 2 less than Wilson.

 

[John63]

This is true but what is forgotten is that Carson was healthy during the first half of the year. Once Chris went down, and Russ was tasked to cook by himself, he burnt all the meals.

Look it, he may still have success in Denver if they have a solid run game, and their receivers know the scramble drill... But if that offense is going to feature Russ throwing 40 times a game, their fans will be disappointed.

Reality check no Qb even Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes does it without help whether a run game, defense or both, to act Like Wilson has to is just being stubborn.

 

[John63]

i agree w/ Locket, they should have ran the ball more. As our oline couldn't stop Donald and WR couldn't get open. We had some costly turnovers and penalties too. When you're behind, you have to throw the ball. Then they tack in false starts and holding, giving Russ 1st & 25 or 2 & 24 was not very ideal, when the o-line couldn't block.


Yeah, Carson getting injured did affect Wilson play during that stretch but they still won games. Once he got back, they should have let Wilson cook again, instead Pete handcuffed Wilson second half of the season. They went 12-4, mostly because of Wilson as usual. Players will have bad games, all the great ones had them that season. Not sure why everyone was so critical of Wilson.

THIS^^^^