And for my 20,000th post...my LX prediction

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So long-term .NET denizens might remember that, many years ago, I used my 10,000th post on this forum to predict the Seahawks' eventual 2013 Super Bowl win before the season began. I even got the opponent right. My one claim to fame around here.

Today, as fate would have it, I have come to my 20,000th post on the eve of another Lombardi tumble for the great Emerald City football team. How will I use this opportunity? To predict the outcome, of course.

On paper, I agree with everyone that the Seahawks are the better team, and truthfully I can't quite figure out why anyone would think otherwise. If it weren't true, I'd be the first to be all over it. Instead, I offer this:

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This is DVOA ranking plotted against DVOA percentage. Only the teams played by NE this year are labeled, along with NE and SEA themselves. Remember, negative is good in DVOA world.

The point of that plot is multipurpose.
1) It demonstrates just how far ahead of the pack Seattle's defense is. We're not just the best in the league, we're the best by a loooong shot.
2) It shows where NE really lands amongst the pack when adjusted for opponent quality (as DVOA does). They're roughly on par with Carolina and Miami, el oh el.
3) It identifies the average DVOA of the defenses faced by the Patriots (red line) and the Seahawks (blue line). This tells me that Seattle's offense faced a tougher test in the regular season. This is backed up in multiple systems that show Seattle's strength of schedule exceeding New England's, and not just by a little bit. I can't just ignore that.

You might point out that New England did face one very solid defense - Houston - and did it in the postseason. This is true. They scored 21 points on the Texans. The other 7 points from the Pats' 28-16 victory were scored by their defense on a pick-six. So the accomplishment was...there. But this is a Patriots team with a definite "getting hot at the right time" feel, and that is not to be discounted.

You might also point out that New England has legitimate defensive studs. I like Christian Gonzalez. I find it ominous that DT Milton Williams, with 53 pressures this season and 17 of them just in the playoffs, is lined up across from Anthony Bradford. Very ominous.

But Seattle has an entire team of defensive studs. More importantly, it's a team that believes in each other, plays 60 minutes, and steps up when the man in front of them goes down.

The Patriots' offensive line is improved from '24, but overrated. They allowed something like 47 sacks this year. This is actually quite fortuitous, because I'm seeing evidence that our defensive line is tiring out this late in the season. They're old, after all. In their thirties besides Byron Murphy. The Rams have a superlative OL, better than the Patriots, and this no doubt played a role in the lack of defensive pressure with the front four. There's also the consideration of needing to contain Maye when he runs. Williams and Demarcus are fairly spry and unrelenting for their age, but Maye is here for a reason. I'm confident I'm not saying anything that Mike and Durde don't already know. Guys like Uchenna Nwosu and Thomas Drake will need a strong game.

Everything is pointing the Seahawks' way, though. Better corners than Gonzalez have tried to contain JSN and failed. Darnold has a Swiss army knife of receivers - the #1 receiver, a zone maestro in Cooper Kupp, a downfield threat in Rashid Shaheed, an underrated tight end, and a legit dual threat RB who's been getting used increasingly in a receiving role. We're looking at the best Seattle OL in years, well-versed and firing on all cylinders in the run game, and I can say that even with Bradford and Sundell determined to sabotage every third down. And then Darnold himself, who by this point has pretty much passed every possible test you could throw at him. I was expecting him to game-manager his way past the Rams if he won. Instead, he took over the game. I certainly didn't expect him to come back from 30-14. He did. 3rd down offense AND defense have improved over the postseason, leaving confidence that the right guys will make plays when necessary, even if they bend first.

In other words, this is a team that can win whatever way it needs to.

So...do I predict a win for the Seahawks?

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Hell no. I've picked against them for eight straight weeks and been proven wrong every time, you think I'm gonna stop now? 23-20 Patriots. :p

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The Pats OL is their achilles heel. 2 weeks of rest for our DL against a highly suspect OL changes the dynamics at every level on the field. Factor in our #1 run defense to close their frequent outlet of Maye and their run game. I'm pouring over data to see the weakness they can expose...just cannot find it.

I get that Bradford - Williams concern...but that alone will not beat the hawks as there are several ways to address individual matchup challenges.

The Texans game makes you think "whoa, WTF"...until you look deeper.
  • The Patriots defense forced five turnovers — including four interceptions of C.J. Stroud.
  • One of those picks was returned for a touchdown by Marcus Jones, directly contributing seven points.
  • Turnovers swung field position in New England’s favor repeatedly, essentially neutralizing long scoring drives by Houston’s defense.
Sam > Stroud by a...well...a $hitload! If we're factoring recent trends of the teams, then ball security has turned into a strength from a weakness.

Maye will not have time for long developing plays and will not have avenues to run 20+ yards. Their run game will be stifled. The Pats will need to execute the 3-5 yard passes for long drives with no errors the length of the field 5-6 times to have a chance. We've held better teams in check that have attempted this strategy.

Just not seeing how we lose unless we collapse in an unbelievably significant manner.
 

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I just want to add.. Darnold is quick on his feet if he needs to run downfield too. Even Fred Warner and CmC complimented and reminded people in some interviews this week that if he needs to he CAN run and has the wheels too.

Also as much is I dislike gator spin Warner, He complimented Seattle a good chunk same with cmc and picked Seattle winning. Props to them for keeping with the NFC
 

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The Pats OL is their achilles heel. 2 weeks of rest for our DL against a highly suspect OL changes the dynamics at every level on the field. Factor in our #1 run defense to close their frequent outlet of Maye and their run game. I'm pouring over data to see the weakness they can expose...just cannot find it.

I get that Bradford - Williams concern...but that alone will not beat the hawks as there are several ways to address individual matchup challenges.

The Texans game makes you think "whoa, WTF"...until you look deeper.
  • The Patriots defense forced five turnovers — including four interceptions of C.J. Stroud.
  • One of those picks was returned for a touchdown by Marcus Jones, directly contributing seven points.
  • Turnovers swung field position in New England’s favor repeatedly, essentially neutralizing long scoring drives by Houston’s defense.
Sam > Stroud by a...well...a $hitload! If we're factoring recent trends of the teams, then ball security has turned into a strength from a weakness.

Maye will not have time for long developing plays and will not have avenues to run 20+ yards. Their run game will be stifled. The Pats will need to execute the 3-5 yard passes for long drives with no errors the length of the field 5-6 times to have a chance. We've held better teams in check that have attempted this strategy.

Just not seeing how we lose unless we collapse in an unbelievably significant manner.
Great points. Not only did the “old” d lineman get a two week rest for the SB but they got a two week rest for the Divisional game and only played half of that. And they are hungrier knowing what a win here means for their career at this stage of it.

Go Hawks!
 

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So long-term .NET denizens might remember that, many years ago, I used my 10,000th post on this forum to predict the Seahawks' eventual 2013 Super Bowl win before the season began. I even got the opponent right. My one claim to fame around here.

Today, as fate would have it, I have come to my 20,000th post on the eve of another Lombardi tumble for the great Emerald City football team. How will I use this opportunity? To predict the outcome, of course.

On paper, I agree with everyone that the Seahawks are the better team, and truthfully I can't quite figure out why anyone would think otherwise. If it weren't true, I'd be the first to be all over it. Instead, I offer this:

View attachment 78428
This is DVOA ranking plotted against DVOA percentage. Only the teams played by NE this year are labeled, along with NE and SEA themselves. Remember, negative is good in DVOA world.

The point of that plot is multipurpose.
1) It demonstrates just how far ahead of the pack Seattle's defense is. We're not just the best in the league, we're the best by a loooong shot.
2) It shows where NE really lands amongst the pack when adjusted for opponent quality (as DVOA does). They're roughly on par with Carolina and Miami, el oh el.
3) It identifies the average DVOA of the defenses faced by the Patriots (red line) and the Seahawks (blue line). This tells me that Seattle's offense faced a tougher test in the regular season. This is backed up in multiple systems that show Seattle's strength of schedule exceeding New England's, and not just by a little bit. I can't just ignore that.

You might point out that New England did face one very solid defense - Houston - and did it in the postseason. This is true. They scored 21 points on the Texans. The other 7 points from the Pats' 28-16 victory were scored by their defense on a pick-six. So the accomplishment was...there. But this is a Patriots team with a definite "getting hot at the right time" feel, and that is not to be discounted.

You might also point out that New England has legitimate defensive studs. I like Christian Gonzalez. I find it ominous that DT Milton Williams, with 53 pressures this season and 17 of them just in the playoffs, is lined up across from Anthony Bradford. Very ominous.

But Seattle has an entire team of defensive studs. More importantly, it's a team that believes in each other, plays 60 minutes, and steps up when the man in front of them goes down.

The Patriots' offensive line is improved from '24, but overrated. They allowed something like 47 sacks this year. This is actually quite fortuitous, because I'm seeing evidence that our defensive line is tiring out this late in the season. They're old, after all. In their thirties besides Byron Murphy. The Rams have a superlative OL, better than the Patriots, and this no doubt played a role in the lack of defensive pressure with the front four. There's also the consideration of needing to contain Maye when he runs. Williams and Demarcus are fairly spry and unrelenting for their age, but Maye is here for a reason. I'm confident I'm not saying anything that Mike and Durde don't already know. Guys like Uchenna Nwosu and Thomas Drake will need a strong game.

Everything is pointing the Seahawks' way, though. Better corners than Gonzalez have tried to contain JSN and failed. Darnold has a Swiss army knife of receivers - the #1 receiver, a zone maestro in Cooper Kupp, a downfield threat in Rashid Shaheed, an underrated tight end, and a legit dual threat RB who's been getting used increasingly in a receiving role. We're looking at the best Seattle OL in years, well-versed and firing on all cylinders in the run game, and I can say that even with Bradford and Sundell determined to sabotage every third down. And then Darnold himself, who by this point has pretty much passed every possible test you could throw at him. I was expecting him to game-manager his way past the Rams if he won. Instead, he took over the game. I certainly didn't expect him to come back from 30-14. He did. 3rd down offense AND defense have improved over the postseason, leaving confidence that the right guys will make plays when necessary, even if they bend first.

In other words, this is a team that can win whatever way it needs to.

So...do I predict a win for the Seahawks?

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...................

...................

...................

...................

...................

...................

Hell no. I've picked against them for eight straight weeks and been proven wrong every time, you think I'm gonna stop now? 23-20 Patriots. :p

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Great post.


You should be banned.


All in favor say yea
 

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So long-term .NET denizens might remember that, many years ago, I used my 10,000th post on this forum to predict the Seahawks' eventual 2013 Super Bowl win before the season began. I even got the opponent right. My one claim to fame around here.

Today, as fate would have it, I have come to my 20,000th post on the eve of another Lombardi tumble for the great Emerald City football team. How will I use this opportunity? To predict the outcome, of course.

On paper, I agree with everyone that the Seahawks are the better team, and truthfully I can't quite figure out why anyone would think otherwise. If it weren't true, I'd be the first to be all over it. Instead, I offer this:

View attachment 78428
This is DVOA ranking plotted against DVOA percentage. Only the teams played by NE this year are labeled, along with NE and SEA themselves. Remember, negative is good in DVOA world.

The point of that plot is multipurpose.
1) It demonstrates just how far ahead of the pack Seattle's defense is. We're not just the best in the league, we're the best by a loooong shot.
2) It shows where NE really lands amongst the pack when adjusted for opponent quality (as DVOA does). They're roughly on par with Carolina and Miami, el oh el.
3) It identifies the average DVOA of the defenses faced by the Patriots (red line) and the Seahawks (blue line). This tells me that Seattle's offense faced a tougher test in the regular season. This is backed up in multiple systems that show Seattle's strength of schedule exceeding New England's, and not just by a little bit. I can't just ignore that.

You might point out that New England did face one very solid defense - Houston - and did it in the postseason. This is true. They scored 21 points on the Texans. The other 7 points from the Pats' 28-16 victory were scored by their defense on a pick-six. So the accomplishment was...there. But this is a Patriots team with a definite "getting hot at the right time" feel, and that is not to be discounted.

You might also point out that New England has legitimate defensive studs. I like Christian Gonzalez. I find it ominous that DT Milton Williams, with 53 pressures this season and 17 of them just in the playoffs, is lined up across from Anthony Bradford. Very ominous.

But Seattle has an entire team of defensive studs. More importantly, it's a team that believes in each other, plays 60 minutes, and steps up when the man in front of them goes down.

The Patriots' offensive line is improved from '24, but overrated. They allowed something like 47 sacks this year. This is actually quite fortuitous, because I'm seeing evidence that our defensive line is tiring out this late in the season. They're old, after all. In their thirties besides Byron Murphy. The Rams have a superlative OL, better than the Patriots, and this no doubt played a role in the lack of defensive pressure with the front four. There's also the consideration of needing to contain Maye when he runs. Williams and Demarcus are fairly spry and unrelenting for their age, but Maye is here for a reason. I'm confident I'm not saying anything that Mike and Durde don't already know. Guys like Uchenna Nwosu and Thomas Drake will need a strong game.

Everything is pointing the Seahawks' way, though. Better corners than Gonzalez have tried to contain JSN and failed. Darnold has a Swiss army knife of receivers - the #1 receiver, a zone maestro in Cooper Kupp, a downfield threat in Rashid Shaheed, an underrated tight end, and a legit dual threat RB who's been getting used increasingly in a receiving role. We're looking at the best Seattle OL in years, well-versed and firing on all cylinders in the run game, and I can say that even with Bradford and Sundell determined to sabotage every third down. And then Darnold himself, who by this point has pretty much passed every possible test you could throw at him. I was expecting him to game-manager his way past the Rams if he won. Instead, he took over the game. I certainly didn't expect him to come back from 30-14. He did. 3rd down offense AND defense have improved over the postseason, leaving confidence that the right guys will make plays when necessary, even if they bend first.

In other words, this is a team that can win whatever way it needs to.

So...do I predict a win for the Seahawks?

...................

...................

...................

...................

...................

...................

...................

...................

Hell no. I've picked against them for eight straight weeks and been proven wrong every time, you think I'm gonna stop now? 23-20 Patriots. :p

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Crazy number of posts!!

I was in awe.

Then I clicked on @SoulfishHawk 🤓
 

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I just want to add.. Darnold is quick on his feet if he needs to run downfield too. Even Fred Warner and CmC complimented and reminded people in some interviews this week that if he needs to he CAN run and has the wheels too.

Also as much is I dislike gator spin Warner, He complimented Seattle a good chunk same with cmc and picked Seattle winning. Props to them for keeping with the NFC
I still dislike Fred for his dirty sh*t that he does when he's on the field.

Not surprised he's complimentary of Sam considering he and him were teammates in 2023.
 
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