Danny Kelly: NFL has Bevell's number in passing game

[DHawk]

How dare someone say something bad about our team. He must not be a real fan. Danny Kelly should be banned.

Did you even read any posts?

Didn't think so.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Enter: Percy Harvin

I have a really bad feeling that both the team and the fan base are thinking Harvin is going to magically cure the offense. I don't... But I guess we will see

I seriously don't understand that viewpoint given IF healthy he's exactly what this offense needs (somebody that requires specific game planning, usually draws double teams and is money concerning short and intermediate routes.

 

[davidonmi]

the play calling is unbelievably pedestrian, the only time I was impressed with a play call was the throwback pass to lynch which was genious. The rest were predictable.

 

[niveky]

has anyone thought that maybe more basic concepts are being used because there is not a line that can be trusted to block for more complicated concepts in its current state.

 

[Scottemojo]

has anyone thought that maybe more basic concepts are being used because there is not a line that can be trusted to block for more complicated concepts in its current state.

Yeah, my feeling is the large number of play action plays is tied directly to the line's inexperience, play action is a simplified blocking concept, especially for freezing defensive ends who have contain assignments. Which helps tackles, which we have none of right now.

I actually thought there was improvement today using intermediate routes, short routes, and the short middle of the field. I also thought Russell has way more time to pass today than the previous two weeks.

 

[TDOTSEAHAWK]

Our offensive line play has generally been horrendous this year which is why our passing game has looked bad at times. That was expected considering the players we are trotting out there but I find it unsurprising that better offensive line play is correlated with a higher Russell Wilson completion percentage. We have also played some great defenses in that time as well - Carolina, San Fran, Houtston, which didn't make our lack of an offensive line any easier.

 

[niveky]

has anyone thought that maybe more basic concepts are being used because there is not a line that can be trusted to block for more complicated concepts in its current state.

Yeah, my feeling is the large number of play action plays is tied directly to the line's inexperience, play action is a simplified blocking concept, especially for freezing defensive ends who have contain assignments. Which helps tackles, which we have none of right now.

I actually thought there was improvement today using intermediate routes, short routes, and the short middle of the field. I also thought Russell has way more time to pass today than the previous two weeks.

Cool. Nice to get your thoughts on that as a potential problem. It really makes me think more that is the case. It really makes sense as well from the stand point of this being the NFL where all the best players in the world play, plenty of whom would be able to sniff out basic concepts on the opposing side pretty easily.

Even with Unger back, that is only 1 of the 3 spots that has been undermanned. It wouldn't just be an issue with The tackles either, the whole line has to be able to know where each other is going to be and what assignments they all should have. i would hazard a guess that there are probably a lot of miscues and errors olinement are making that probably get adjusted as the play starts that a lot of us untrained eyes wouldn't even catch and just blow off as just one particular player screwing up when it could be multiple players on the line being on separate pages.

Even when Okung gets back and assuming the rest of the starters are all still healthy it will probably significantly improve, but likely they will not resemble what we would all like to see consistently until towards the end of the season.

 

[Scottemojo]

It is true that Bevell has called too much play action. But he has to help those tackles.

 

[FlyingGreg]

Enter: Percy Harvin

I have a really bad feeling that both the team and the fan base are thinking Harvin is going to magically cure the offense. I don't... But I guess we will see

I seriously don't understand that viewpoint given IF healthy he's exactly what this offense needs (somebody that requires specific game planning, usually draws double teams and is money concerning short and intermediate routes.

Watch the games. You will figure it out. At this point, Harvin is a sugar pill or placebo. We are not going to go from disjointed to elite overnight just because he comes back. There are many other issues at play here.

 

[Happy]

Excuse me, but we're busy lighting our torches and gathering our pitchforks. Scotte would you mind stepping aside? Thanks.

Seriously though, bevell's competent, but it's not like he's gonna found a coaching tree or something. He's...pedestrian.

 

[AgentDib]

I have a really bad feeling that both the team and the fan base are thinking Harvin is going to magically cure the offense. I don't... But I guess we will see

Of course we are all frustrated by the passing game, and I'm sure they thought they would be doing better than they are without Harvin. However, I think it's fair to include Harvin because it shows that our FO thought the receiver group needed him enough to give up a first round pick + $66 mil/6 years. Add in the investment spent for Okung, Giacomini, and Zach Miller and our passing offense is missing a huge portion of its payroll. I don't think there is anything magical about offenses playing worse when that much of their investment is missing. The Patriots are missing less, and nobody is questioning why they have issues right now.

 

[AF_Hawk]

I think Percy Harvin will help our offense get going once he steps on the field because now the defense will have to at least key on him. Right now, who else besides RW and Lynch is the defense keying on? No other offensive player scares anyone.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I think Percy Harvin will help our offense get going once he steps on the field because now the defense will have to at least key on him. Right now, who else besides RW and Lynch is the defense keying on? No other offensive player scares anyone.

Correct, like Wilson he tilts the field end of story. Sorry to disagree with you slightly Greg but Percy is a game changer with no help. With Okung/Unger/Breno back? It gets Denver stupid.

 

[niveky]

It is true that Bevell has called too much play action. But he has to help those tackles.

the following was a note from the game recap on ESPN.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=331013026


Russell Wilson was 13-of-17 for 189 yards on play-action passes Sunday. Wilson averaged 11.1 yards per attempt after play-action fakes (4.9 yards per attempt on all other passes).

 

[Sturm]

His concepts are painfully obvious and basic. Verts, boot, and now slants. That's about it. The play action game caught fire today in the 2nd half, but we still have no ability to pick apart underneath coverage. Another week, and nothing inside the hashes.

Are you seeing all of this from TV coverage?

 

[SalishHawkFan]

we've played the 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th best pass defenses so far this season. Of course our passing game is going to have a harder time. TB will be the hardest test, but AZ, St.L., Minn and Atl. should be easier matchups. Expect our passing game to improve, not because Harvin came back, but because we'll be up against easier defenses.

 

[RolandDeschain]

So most of the board no longer thinks Bevell has no responsibility whatsoever for our offensive inconsistency?

Glad to hear that revelation.

 

[niveky]

So most of the board no longer thinks Bevell has no responsibility whatsoever for our offensive inconsistency?

Glad to hear that revelation.

Don't think that I read that anywhere on here, but to think that a 7th round and/or undrafted rookie, a backup center and a guard playing tackle for a couple of weeks prior to this doesn't severely impact the ability of pass protection and limit Bevell's ability to run more sophisticated plays. Sure they got Unger back this week but The O-line is still sort of in swiss cheese mode. Cable can only coach up so much when you consider a lack of playing time for rookies or playing a position completely unnatural for what a player is used to or even physically suited for. If the line can't function in a way necessary for everything Bevell would like to call, then some things will naturally have to be shelved. I am concerned but more inclined, at least for now, to see how they continue to weather things and then really see how the playcalling/execution compare after we get the other main pieces of the oline back and get McQuistan back to his natural position.

 

[hox]

It is true that Bevell has called too much play action. But he has to help those tackles.

the following was a note from the game recap on ESPN.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=331013026


Russell Wilson was 13-of-17 for 189 yards on play-action passes Sunday. Wilson averaged 11.1 yards per attempt after play-action fakes (4.9 yards per attempt on all other passes).

It's no secret that we've been a run-to-set-up-the-pass type of offense with some read-option thrown in, but this is not the offense that I had envisioned in the offseason. I want to see more TEs catching passes, less empty sets on blitz situations, safety valves when there's nothing deep, and more play variety in general. Instead, Wilson is running all the time, which isn't ideal.

Soon, the offense will need to be firing on all cylinders - especially with 9ers right on our tails.

 

[RolandDeschain]

but to think that a 7th round and/or undrafted rookie, a backup center and a guard playing tackle for a couple of weeks prior to this doesn't severely impact the ability of pass protection and limit Bevell's ability to run more sophisticated plays.

I completely agree with this. I also didn't see Bevell trying to compensate for it until a ways into this game, when we FINALLY tried a quick passing game; and what do you know, it had some success.

A few questions.

If you break your leg, do you still try to walk normally on it?

If your car makes a loud clanking sound while you're driving down the freeway, do you just keep on driving at 65 miles per hour?

No, you don't. You compensate. You change things to try and make up for the problem. You pull your car over and call a tow truck, or limp along the side of the freeway to the nearest exit. You get crutches and hobble along instead of just trying to walk like normal.

Someone tell me where Bevell tried to compensate for our broken O-line with 3 backups on it last week or the week before. That is what really irked me.