Danny Kelly: NFL has Bevell's number in passing game

[bestfightstory]

So you're genuinely suggesting that I contact Pete Carroll because I think one of his coaches needs to improve on something? I completely believe you were not being sarcastic because I was criticizing an NFL coach.

It is clear to me that Pete would benefit from your analysis of this situation.

I guess I deserve that for trying to have a conversation near your pedestal.

Yessirree.

Nice of someone of your stature and import to stoop once in awhile.

 

[pehawk]

I think Harvin actually will loosen things up for the entire offense. He'll be a devastating outlet someone (most likely two) that opposing players will have to account for.

The against the grain long screen to Lynch yesterday, WAS a good play by Bevell. It matched Wilson's skill-set and what the offense can and should do. Now, imagine Harvin got that pass instead of Lynch? Or, the defense sees it and shifts far side to compensate for Harvin?

Harvin will do the scrambling for Wilson, IMO. Instead of Wilson scampering 30 yards, he'll shovel to Harvin and let him do it. Harvin will be the most unfair checkdown in the league. And, maybe the first checkdown since, prime-of-career Westbrook, you MUST account for when gameplanning.

XOXO

Charlie Rogers

 

[hawk45]

I was more annoyed by Bevell the previous weeks when I felt like every pass play was a homerun. I felt like this week he finally protected Russell with some shorter, quicker developing routes and kept him upright a little bit. The fact that he took so long to do it frustrates me. That should have been the automatic reaction to a decimated OL. I think Bevell being too cute and trying to be unpredictable was what was getting Russell killed in the first place, in conjunction with the offensive line.

Now I will say that a greater focus on the shorter routes doesn't have to eliminate the vertical passing game entirely. During the game that puzzled me a little, like it's a switch where either every route is a deep one or every route is a short one. But I think that's just my own perception tricking me. I do think Bevell called some deeper routes, on those plays when Russell would roll a few steps out and have all day to survey the field I think there were guys going deep, they just weren't open.

I totally think we should be open for business with criticism everywhere. For me personally I find it difficult to evaluate the offense with finality with the way the line is. I respect Roland's opinion that you don't just give up when guys are injured. But without giving up, I am withholding final judgment on nearly all parts of our passing offense.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I cant believe that Bevell is at fault when the "think tank" has been telling us that it is all due to MRob's absense.

 

[pehawk]

I cant believe that Bevell is at fault when the "think tank" has been telling us that it is all due to MRob's absense.

Who's the think tank you speak of?

 

[HawkMeat]

I am esctatic to have the Hawks in first in the NFC West. First place!

That being said the selection in routes and playcalling may not just be on Bevell, but also Pete, and personnel (injured and healthy)?
Cannot wait for Percy. When we got Percy the playmaker I re-watched the Vikings and how Percy was utilized last year. I didn't watch after Percy was taken out of the equation due to injury, but what I watched brought faith that once he returns this offense will become better. But we all would figure that anyway. However, the routes and formations the Vikings used with Percy was genius and at times risky that payed off often because of his talent. His talent, his quick first step, subtle movements in his routes, and ability to find soft spots in coverage will make this team better. It may take a couple games to get on the same page with timing and routes, but the offense will improve.

 

[-The Glove-]

I was more annoyed by Bevell the previous weeks when I felt like every pass play was a homerun. I felt like this week he finally protected Russell with some shorter, quicker developing routes and kept him upright a little bit. The fact that he took so long to do it frustrates me. That should have been the automatic reaction to a decimated OL. I think Bevell being too cute and trying to be unpredictable was what was getting Russell killed in the first place, in conjunction with the offensive line.

Now I will say that a greater focus on the shorter routes doesn't have to eliminate the vertical passing game entirely. During the game that puzzled me a little, like it's a switch where either every route is a deep one or every route is a short one. But I think that's just my own perception tricking me. I do think Bevell called some deeper routes, on those plays when Russell would roll a few steps out and have all day to survey the field I think there were guys going deep, they just weren't open.

I totally think we should be open for business with criticism everywhere. For me personally I find it difficult to evaluate the offense with finality with the way the line is. I respect Roland's opinion that you don't just give up when guys are injured. But without giving up, I am withholding final judgment on nearly all parts of our passing offense.

This exactly...I was happy to see shorter routes in this game, but it once again became too predictable. A little mixing up of short and long would be nice. Seems like it's been either/or.

 

[RolandDeschain]

One thing I think Bevell deserves positive credit for yesterday is FINALLY trying out a quick passing game. It's nice to see US driving down the field dinking & dunking against someone for a change.

 

[Scottemojo]

I cant believe that Bevell is at fault when the "think tank" has been telling us that it is all due to MRob's absense.

On Marshawn's fumble, watch Coleman completely screw the play and tell me Robinson is not missed.
Your hyperbole aside, some of the red zone issues could be helped by Robinson.

 

[HawkAroundTheClock]

I feel like pinpointing the ONE problem with the offense is like getting mad at algebra for not being as simple as addition.

I don't see a linear equation like Bad O-line Play + Bevell Playcalling = Crap Offense. Certainly, the eyeball test shows some big problems (injury, inexperience, unexciting play calls, etc) which create other little problems (out of position, bad footwork, bonehead mistakes, trying to do too much, relying too heavily on improvisation, etc). But there are too many variables (incuding defensive schemes and execution) to isolate one as the broken part.

Percy will be an altogether new variable, one that may or may not fix the equation, but will undoubtedly change it. Based on his past production, it's reasonable to assume he can help us change the balance of the equation in our favor.

Having said that, I can't find fault with Kelly's critique of Bevell. I just don't think making those changes is the cure-all. Neither is adding Percy. Our Seahawks are going to have to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, pull some hoodoo voodoo to the Nth power before the offense really starts to click. Oh, and get our players healthy and on the field too.

Bottom line, with the intelligence, work ethic, and athleticism of our Seahawks from top to bottom, I have faith that the offense will continue to address mistakes, continue to develop a more complex attack, and become the cohesive unit we all seem to feel is possible.

 

[hawk45]

I feel like pinpointing the ONE problem with the offense is like getting mad at algebra for not being as simple as addition.

I don't see a linear equation like Bad O-line Play + Bevell Playcalling = Crap Offense. Certainly, the eyeball test shows some big problems (injury, inexperience, unexciting play calls, etc) which create other little problems (out of position, bad footwork, bonehead mistakes, trying to do too much, relying too heavily on improvisation, etc). But there are too many variables (incuding defensive schemes and execution) to isolate one as the broken part.

Percy will be an altogether new variable, one that may or may not fix the equation, but will undoubtedly change it. Based on his past production, it's reasonable to assume he can help us change the balance of the equation in our favor.

Having said that, I can't find fault with Kelly's critique of Bevell. I just don't think making those changes is the cure-all. Neither is adding Percy. Our Seahawks are going to have to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, pull some hoodoo voodoo to the Nth power before the offense really starts to click. Oh, and get our players healthy and on the field too.

Bottom line, with the intelligence, work ethic, and athleticism of our Seahawks from top to bottom, I have faith that the offense will continue to address mistakes, continue to develop a more complex attack, and become the cohesive unit we all seem to feel is possible.

I don't see anyone saying that the equation only contains OL and Bevell. I see them saying it contains a bunch of different terms (OL, Bevell, WRs, Wilson), but that the OL term is the most heavily weighted given the amount of injury that unit has sustained and its importance to all facets of an offense.

 

[pehawk]

I don't understand the posts trying to diminish our "think tank", or whatever you want to call them? Or, the easy, safe and pot-shotty stance coaches are above reproach.

I really enjoy the "think tank" types. Maybe the difference is I'm stupid enough to believe my opinions are just as educated? I just appreciate their opinions and hope to gain new perspective. Either way, taking pot-shots at members offering analysis reeks of trying to participate in discussions, that one doesn't feel equipped to.

 

[justafan]

I cant believe that Bevell is at fault when the "think tank" has been telling us that it is all due to MRob's absense.

Its because we got rid of Bates who was almost 2 pnts a game better than Knapp.Who must also be a great OC then.

 

[Laloosh]

One thing I think Bevell deserves positive credit for yesterday is FINALLY trying out a quick passing game. It's nice to see US driving down the field dinking & dunking against someone for a change.

Yeah, I was happy to see that he was capable of calling a slant. Been harping on the lack of quick routes.

"1..2, scramble" turned into "1, 5 yard completion"

 

[Laloosh]

I cant believe that Bevell is at fault when the "think tank" has been telling us that it is all due to MRob's absence.

fify

 

[Ozzy]

I think the quality of defenses we've faced as had a lot to do with our passing offense. Factor in injuries and receivers struggling to separate and its no surprise we've struggled a little. We will be fine.

I am shocked at the posts claiming Harvin won't help this offense at all or that he's placebo at best. Have you watched him play before? Just because he doesn't create separation(which I actually disagree with but will concede for the sake of the argument) Doesnt mean he won't improve the passing game. He is an elite talent who changes games with his speed. He was the front runner for MVP last year before getting hurt. He is a nightmare to gameplan for and will open it up for everyone else around him. I'm honestly at a loss for why people think he won't help the offense. Looking forward to reading the board after he gets his feet wet this year.

 

[justafan]

There are few if any geniuses or innovators these days and Bates certainly wouldnt qualify.

Mike McCoy. I think the man is a genius and he's doing very good things.

I could go into what it was I saw Bates doing that I thought was great but unfortunately I don't have a lot of free time to chat on message boards these days. Oh well. Certainly respect that you have a difference of opinion.

Regarding the use of concepts that are 50 years old and how that relates to innovation, well, there's only twelve notes in the chromatic scale but people are still finding ways to innovate with it in the 2600 years or so since it was invented.

Some good discussion going on in the main forum lately. I like it.

-s

McCoy is a very good offensive coach.He has quite a bit of talent right now and I havent watched enough of Sd to say he is a genius or innovative but at the end of the day we are scoring just as many points as they are.

 

[Laloosh]

I think the quality of defenses we've faced as had a lot to do with our passing offense. Factor in injuries and receivers struggling to separate and its no surprise we've struggled a little. We will be fine.

I have a problem with that argument. The reason being that we are a good defense, yet teams have found ways to pass/move the ball on us.

I'm listening to Pete talk right now and he said that teams are really scheming to prevent the deep ball on us, opening up other stuff.

Problem is, we had not implemented anything in the short game until this week.

 

[Happy]

McCoy is a very good offensive coach.He has quite a bit of talent right now and I havent watched enough of Sd to say he is a genius or innovative but at the end of the day we are scoring just as many points as they are.

It's more than just SD. It's the body of work he's amassing. He made tebow look like a quarterback in Denver, complete with a playoff win. That's a hell of a bullet point on a resume, and shows imagination and adaptability in addition to mastery of the technical fundamentals.

Anyway, I shouldn't be contributing to the thread wandering off topic (some example I'm setting huh?). Thank you for the reply.

 

[pehawk]

McCoy is a very good offensive coach.He has quite a bit of talent right now and I havent watched enough of Sd to say he is a genius or innovative but at the end of the day we are scoring just as many points as they are.

It's more than just SD. It's the body of work he's amassing. He made tebow look like a quarterback in Denver, complete with a playoff win. That's a hell of a bullet point on a resume, and shows imagination and adaptability in addition to mastery of the technical fundamentals.

Anyway, I shouldn't be contributing to the thread wandering off topic (some example I'm setting huh?). Thank you for the reply.

We are off-topic, but sadhappy has it correct here. McCoy's a gem. Both the cellar-dwellars in the AFC West are in good HC hands.