kidhawk
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I agree, it's definitely too early to call Wilson "clutch", but it's not to early to notice that he could be that Clutch guy back there that we've been so desperate for in Seattle for awhile now.
volsunghawk":in0mdh2c said:Why is it that so many people who get that "clutch" label so often screw up in the 80% of the game prior to "clutch" time, which leads to the need for them to be "clutch" in the first place?
Vinatieri kicked a game-winning FG against the Panthers in 2003, yeah. He also missed 2 FGs earlier in that game, meaning that if he had just taken care of it when he did, no "clutch" kick would have been necessary.
People talked all last season about how Tebow played late in 4th quarters and how "clutch" he was, while conveniently ignoring that he was complete garbage in the 3 quarters prior.
I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.
volsunghawk":1d2g3jsf said:I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.
Fox0r":2xfrzh4m said:volsunghawk":2xfrzh4m said:I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.
The definition of "clutch". It doesn't matter what was done prior to the moment. In the moment, when it mattered most, he was clutch.
volsunghawk":1033ou37 said:Fox0r":1033ou37 said:volsunghawk":1033ou37 said:I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.
The definition of "clutch". It doesn't matter what was done prior to the moment. In the moment, when it mattered most, he was clutch.
Eh, it depends for me. I guess this is an offshoot of other discussions I had regarding Vinatieri's value. I think I can accept a performance being called "clutch" if the person who gets that label wasn't responsible for the team being behind in the first place, leading to the NEED for a "clutch" performance.
For example, if a QB throws 3 picks over the course of the game, leading to his team being in a 5 point hole with a minute to go, I don't see him as being "clutch" if he leads the team on a final drive for the win.
kidhawk":115xwvse said:volsunghawk":115xwvse said:Fox0r":115xwvse said:The definition of "clutch". It doesn't matter what was done prior to the moment. In the moment, when it mattered most, he was clutch.
Eh, it depends for me. I guess this is an offshoot of other discussions I had regarding Vinatieri's value. I think I can accept a performance being called "clutch" if the person who gets that label wasn't responsible for the team being behind in the first place, leading to the NEED for a "clutch" performance.
For example, if a QB throws 3 picks over the course of the game, leading to his team being in a 5 point hole with a minute to go, I don't see him as being "clutch" if he leads the team on a final drive for the win.
I pretty much agree with what you're saying as far as any individual performance is concerned, but what do you think about the guy who consistently is able to make that game winning drive or nail that game winning FG, no matter who put them in the hole, year after year?
kidhawk":2ui1yq4w said:volsunghawk":2ui1yq4w said:Why is it that so many people who get that "clutch" label so often screw up in the 80% of the game prior to "clutch" time, which leads to the need for them to be "clutch" in the first place?
Vinatieri kicked a game-winning FG against the Panthers in 2003, yeah. He also missed 2 FGs earlier in that game, meaning that if he had just taken care of it when he did, no "clutch" kick would have been necessary.
People talked all last season about how Tebow played late in 4th quarters and how "clutch" he was, while conveniently ignoring that he was complete garbage in the 3 quarters prior.
I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.
The fact that he is still not having "complete games" is why I hesitate to call him clutch...I think that once he gets to be consistent throughout the game (Which I believe he will do), he can become that quarterback who can win a lot of close games late in the 4th quarter with comebacks and be the definition of clutch player, not just the overused cliche clutch guy
Russ Willstrong":1n6mkc9l said:kidhawk":1n6mkc9l said:volsunghawk":1n6mkc9l said:Why is it that so many people who get that "clutch" label so often screw up in the 80% of the game prior to "clutch" time, which leads to the need for them to be "clutch" in the first place?
Vinatieri kicked a game-winning FG against the Panthers in 2003, yeah. He also missed 2 FGs earlier in that game, meaning that if he had just taken care of it when he did, no "clutch" kick would have been necessary.
People talked all last season about how Tebow played late in 4th quarters and how "clutch" he was, while conveniently ignoring that he was complete garbage in the 3 quarters prior.
I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.
The fact that he is still not having "complete games" is why I hesitate to call him clutch...I think that once he gets to be consistent throughout the game (Which I believe he will do), he can become that quarterback who can win a lot of close games late in the 4th quarter with comebacks and be the definition of clutch player, not just the overused cliche clutch guy
LMAO. No, Wilson isn't clutch. He can't be CLUTCH as an unproven rook. YOutube highlights of all his game-winning drives are mere propaganda and his last minute heroics for the Seahawks are illusions.
Bevell is the true hero who instructed Wilson how to throw that slow-azz fade to Braylon with perfect timing on 4th down with the game on the line. Bevell was the one who had a hunch Rice would be open on the post route beating two defenders--all Wilson had to do was throw the ball 50 yards in the air just as Rice came out of his break. (that's sarcasm for Wilson-haters who can't discern the truth)
Seriously, does clutch mean you have to be consistent all game long? Would there be late game heroics or opportunities to be clutch then? Some of you are better off arguing the definition of "IS" than the definition of "CLUTCH" when you contend that clutch should mean consistent throughout the game as much as holding that dagger in the end. Point is holding that having the resolve and finishing is all that matters to be clutch. The killer play that produces a W is what matters in being clutch not 395 yards of passing. Consistency is the next step for this ROOKIE and based on his progress he's ahead of most (including both Brady and Brees).
Russ Willstrong":13k5q281 said:Agree that his NFL career is young at 6 games. He's produced opportunities even though he hasn't finished all the time. Even the best of the best won't. To name a few legends: Favre, Manning, Brady and Brees probably had not produced as many come-back opportunities in any consecutive 6-games of their rookie season.
Exactly. And because "clutch" opportunities in playoff games are so scarce, players often remain with a "clutch" or "not clutch" label throughout their careers based on one or two games where they played better or worse than usual. John Elway used to be the guy who couldn't win the big one until he won it. Then when he won it, and Peyton Manning took that label. Then Manning won it, and Drew Brees took that label. Then Brees won it, and Aaron Rodgers took that label. And so on.aku":2zik6d58 said:"Clutch gene" is something ESPN invented because their analysts don't know enough about sports to talk about what happened on the field. Brady had the clutch gene in 2002 – what did it do, wear off in 2008? The Mavericks won the championship because Lebron doesn't have the clutch gene. Wait, I got confused for a second... he just won so he has it now. It's not convenient for luck to be involved in sports because they can't sell that narrative. So when a guy makes a good play, he's clutch. If the defense makes a better play, he's not.