BB for cheap?

[SonicHawk]

Anyone who is going to offer BB BIG money is a team with a top flight free safety, salary cap room and team with the potential to win it all.

How many of those are out there?

Why do you think those are the qualifications? That's kind of ridiculous don't you think?

There's not a team in the NFL who has watched Seattle and doesn't want a piece of BB. Whether you think he's effective with/without a top FS doesn't matter, I would take a chance with BB, especially in this pass first league.

 

[Subzero717]

Contracts came up yesterday on the radio. I don't want to think about it until I have to.

 

[Largent80]

I prefer enjoying this year as opposed to thinking of next year, that is what losing teams do.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

The question is, does BB fit other teams' defensive philosophy?

 

[Popeyejones]

The LOB loves playing together too much. He'll give us a hefty discount.

Besides, how many teams have a safety that can help him out and still cover 2/3 of the field?

I don't think anyone who is about to get their first big deal is going to give a 'hefty' discount.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but I would not be at all surprised if his out-of-the-blue pay increase this year didn't have an unspoken subtext to it.

I'm not going after the Hawks for this (honestly, I really don't give a crud), but it was quite frankly just really strange, and I can't imagine it wouldn't at least have the latent effect in pushing the needle toward some form of home team discount -if the Hawks want to stick with him -moving forward.

 

[Hawks46]

The LOB loves playing together too much. He'll give us a hefty discount.

Besides, how many teams have a safety that can help him out and still cover 2/3 of the field?

I don't think anyone who is about to get their first big deal is going to give a 'hefty' discount.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but I would not be at all surprised if his out-of-the-blue pay increase this year didn't have an unspoken subtext to it.

I'm not going after the Hawks for this (honestly, I really don't give a crud), but it was quite frankly just really strange, and I can't imagine it wouldn't at least have the latent effect in pushing the needle toward some form of home team discount -if the Hawks want to stick with him -moving forward.

This is what I was thinking as well. Add that to the fact that the LoB loves playing together so much, i'm hoping they all take a fair but slightly under market contract.

The FO needs to show these guys that contracts like Revis aren't helping out their team. Look at what Flacco's contract did to the Ravens. I think we've found a price point...QBs are very important, but not more than an entire team. A very good QB can keep you in the playoff hunt almost single handedly, but you won't win much if you don't have balance and depth. Wilson, Sherman and Thomas deserve to be paid, and a lot, but not at the expense of crippling the team.

That's why we get Browner for cheap, or he gets money elsewhere. We just don't have it for him.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This is such a tough subject because having Browner has really helped legitimize the whole "big corner" debate that has gone on for generations in the NFL... I think the bottom line is that Browner is now too big to play the position. You might liken it to freakish RB's who thicken over the course of their career only to find themselves a half-step too slow to be explosive. Browner has played so well for this team and done everything he could and done it the right way. For many reasons I believe he is the 2nd best corner on the team, and I also have many reasons to believe this is his last year as a corner, and possibly last year playing elite in the league. I really want to give this guy a big plaque to hang on his wall: Certificate of Achievement - The Guy Who Helped Change Everything

Browner is bigger and taller than both Maxwell and Lane, but both are still big by CB standards, and therefore fit nicely into what Pete and John are trying to do on defense.

I'd love to see the LOB stay together, but that's not possible with both Sherm and ET coming up for big contracts next year. Browner IS the odd man out. There's no way in hell Pete and John are going to let either of Sherm or ET walk.

 

[ceej22]

For those thinking Browner will get paid and leave I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. Browner will be 30 before the start of next season. CBs are right up there with running backs in the longevity department. Saw it with Trufant. Once he lost a step he was getting beat all day long. There have been many here and elsewhere questioning if Browner has indeed shown signs of slowing down.

As for Thurmond he has been great this year. If Seattle can get him at the right price I hope they sign him. However, his injury history concerns me and if another team wants to make that gamble then let them. No point in having 2 high paid injury prone players on the team.

 

[Popeyejones]

Add that to the fact that the LoB loves playing together so much, i'm hoping they all take a fair but slightly under market contract.

...Particularly true for a guy like BB who deep in his heart probably has to know that if the LoB had a weak link it would be him.

And heck, I think there's a little bit of motivation for the FO too: once you have a defensive unit that has its own nickname, just from a brand strategy and marketing perspective you've got a little bit more of an incentive to keep that group together.

I think there are tons of little things that could tip the scale a little bit, but I'm not sure any of them (or even all of them collectively) come anywhere close to outweighing the fat, ugly pockmarked @ss that's pressing down the other side: the Hawks are going to have to start clearing cap room for all of their underpaid stars this off-season, and nothing can really change that. It's very, very possible that Browner's last chance of sticking with the team beyond this year died with Chancellor signing his contract (or at least I think Hawks fans should hope so, as finding some maybe unlikely way to keep both Sherman and Thomas has got to be the priority over Browner, I'd guess).

 

[C-Dub]

BB only fits in a few systems. He needs press coverage or he'll be beat. He won't demand a huge sum of money especially at his age and with his decline.

I also think he'll want to stick it out with us and the LOB till he retires. Not sure if that feeling is mutual with management.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

For those thinking Browner will get paid and leave I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. Browner will be 30 before the start of next season. CBs are right up there with running backs in the longevity department. Saw it with Trufant. Once he lost a step he was getting beat all day long. There have been many here and elsewhere questioning if Browner has indeed shown signs of slowing down.

Good point, and I think why BB and his agent decided to take the one year deal with the Hawks this year, because Browner's a system CB that is unique to what we're doing. His value on the open market in another system isn't as valuable.

So it's totally possible with BB's age, injury history and being unique to our system that Pete/John could get another cheap year out of him.

 

[nsport]

This is such a tough subject because having Browner has really helped legitimize the whole "big corner" debate that has gone on for generations in the NFL... I think the bottom line is that Browner is now too big to play the position. You might liken it to freakish RB's who thicken over the course of their career only to find themselves a half-step too slow to be explosive. Browner has played so well for this team and done everything he could and done it the right way. For many reasons I believe he is the 2nd best corner on the team, and I also have many reasons to believe this is his last year as a corner, and possibly last year playing elite in the league. I really want to give this guy a big plaque to hang on his wall: Certificate of Achievement - The Guy Who Helped Change Everything

Browner is bigger and taller than both Maxwell and Lane, but both are still big by CB standards, and therefore fit nicely into what Pete and John are trying to do on defense.

I'd love to see the LOB stay together, but that's not possible with both Sherm and ET coming up for big contracts next year. Browner IS the odd man out. There's no way in hell Pete and John are going to let either of Sherm or ET walk.

I totally agree with you. I'd also add that this year they (db's) agreed the moniker "Legion of Boom" applies to all db's, not just the starting 4 - we see this at the games when they announce the starters who hang by the tunnel, then they all run out (entire db unit) as the "Legion of Boom" group. It's a shift that says that they understand that this is an elite group - the top 4 start, the other contribute meaningful minutes.

 

[Jville]

:229031_confused2: I struggle with the thought of an income of $555,000 for 2013 as ..... cheap.

 

[Laloosh]

IMO Walter Thurmond is gone next season. I can see teams throwing him some cash. Browner tho we might retain if he doesn't ask for a ridiculously amount of money. So many young guns waitin' for a shot and they are cap friendly, still on their rookie contracts (Simon, Shead, Maxwell and Lane). Remember we still gotta re-sign Thomas, Sherm and Wilson. Those guys will command serious $$$$

With regard to players like Thurmond that spent so much time being injured, do they honestly not feel "some" level of obligation to give the team that didn't give up on them a fair shake. Maybe a bit of a discount?

I'm not saying he should but I am curious if it comes into play at all.

 

[Jville]

IMO Walter Thurmond is gone next season. I can see teams throwing him some cash. Browner tho we might retain if he doesn't ask for a ridiculously amount of money. So many young guns waitin' for a shot and they are cap friendly, still on their rookie contracts (Simon, Shead, Maxwell and Lane). Remember we still gotta re-sign Thomas, Sherm and Wilson. Those guys will command serious $$$$

With regard to players like Thurmond that spent so much time being injured, do they honestly not feel "some" level of obligation to give the team that didn't give up on them a fair shake. Maybe a bit of a discount?

I'm not saying he should but I am curious if it comes into play at all.

I would think the players do. But, I am certain player agents make it their business to suppress such feelings. For lawyers .... its only about the money.

 

[The Radish]

I see RW taking a pay cut to keep key players such as BB.

Wilson can't help any with Browner as the team can't negotiate with him until his 3rd season is completed and that is after next season.

He's on a rookie contract for four years as set by the new players contract.

:les:

 

[hawk45]

If we have to say goodbye to BB I sure want to do it with a Superbowl ring and a big sloppy kiss of an ovation when he returns with whatever team he comes back with. He and Sherman are the polar opposite of everything I hated about the midget CB era.

 

[jblaze]

I tend to think Browner is not going to get a ton of attention in FA. He's more of a system guy who would get exposed in most other systems. He needs that aggressive man press style with a fast centerfielder behind him to cover up his mistakes when he gambles which he does a lot. Not a lot of teams play as much man as we do. We are successful because of the sum of the total and how they all fit so well together. I'm not sure you could sign him to be your #1 or even #2 with a large contract and expect a lot. It just seems like a defensive scheme overhaul to make him this effective. Also that man press style is only going to work if you have recovering speed and that's the first thing that will go and he'll be 30 next year.

I have a feeling we'll see Browner back next year, but not Thurmond. Thurmond could be a #1 somewhere that needs CB's badly.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

BB is great player and deserves to be paid like one. I think a few teams will really go after him this next season, as they should.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Posted before, but I feel it's important to note.

The Seahawks have built the game's best secondary, loaded with young stars, but with so many young players on the rise, and the team also needing to do new deals with left tackle Russell Okung and quarterback Russell Wilson in the next year or so, they are likely to lose Brandon Browner and Walter Thurmond to the open market, according to league sources.

Both are coveted by several teams who have the duo sitting atop their free-agent rankings. While overshadowed by guys like Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas on a national level, the duo are well positioned to earn big raises in free agency, with it unlikely the Seahawks will be able to get them extended before then.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas ... ree-agency