Time for a complete overhaul

[Maelstrom787]

My response to this is,,,,,this is the NFL. These players have been playing football their entire lives. I have a hard time believing they don't understand technique or have no understanding of schemes. They should be able to implement those things by accident at this point. I truly believe that they are just undermanned by talent deficits.

Your "This is the NFL" statement works both ways. Yes, this is the NFL. The coaching should be just as elite as the play, and you've beat the drum of criticizing coaching more than just about anyone else in your time here.

Coaching is important. Gameplanning, playcalling, etc.

It's not that these guys don't understand schemes and don't understand technique. It's that they aren't doing it cleanly enough.

Unless you believe we have fundamentally stupid players that just suddenly get stupider when wearing our uniform, there is one place left to look. Coaching.

This is the NFL. A new offensive staff in Seattle took us from historically awful on the ground in 2017 to best in the league. McVay took the Rams to new heights almost immediately. Andy Reid took the 2-14 Chiefs and went 11-5 the next year.

Coaching matters. Coaching matters more than just about anything else. Coaching is the difference between your draft picks flourishing or busting. Coaching is the difference between players being used to the max of their ability vs. players being put in positions to fail. Coaching is the difference between a playcall that hits on a crucial third down vs. a playcall that gets your QB creamed and ends your drive.

Whether they have the talent to win a Super Bowl is another discussion, but these guys have MORE than enough talent to not be absolutely disgusting dogshit at running the football and MORE than enough talent to allow less than 4.9 yards a carry on average.

It's coaching.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Your "This is the NFL" statement works both ways. Yes, this is the NFL. The coaching should be just as elite as the play, and you've beat the drum of criticizing coaching more than just about anyone else in your time here.

Coaching is important. Gameplanning, playcalling, etc.

It's not that these guys don't understand schemes and don't understand technique. It's that they aren't doing it cleanly enough.

Unless you believe we have fundamentally stupid players that just suddenly get stupider when wearing our uniform, there is one place left to look. Coaching.

This is the NFL. A new offensive staff in Seattle took us from historically awful on the ground in 2017 to best in the league. McVay took the Rams to new heights almost immediately. Andy Reid took the 2-14 Chiefs and went 11-5 the next year.

Coaching matters. Coaching matters more than just about anything else. Coaching is the difference between your draft picks flourishing or busting. Coaching is the difference between players being used to the max of their ability vs. players being put in positions to fail. Coaching is the difference between a playcall that hits on a crucial third down vs. a playcall that gets your QB creamed and ends your drive.

Whether they have the talent to win a Super Bowl is another discussion, but these guys have MORE than enough talent to not be absolutely disgusting dogshit at running the football and MORE than enough talent to allow less than 4.9 yards a carry on average.

It's coaching.

Yes, I have complained about coaching for a long time, but for different reasons.

While i'll agree it's a combination of both coaching and talent, you just can't ignore stuff like this - Per OverTheCap.com, the Seahawks ranked 22nd or lower in total OFFENSIVE LINE SPENDING in 9 of the previous 11 seasons, including currently being dead last in the NFL last year with just $13 million invested in the entire group.

Can we at least agree that not much attention has been spent on the group?

 

[GemCity]

.com: Macdonald added later, "It's a process right now and you got to be married to the process. You can't skip steps because you want better results. You got to keep going through it. That's what we're doing."

Love this and it really sums it up.

It’s not so much a lack of players imo…yes, being that low as far as how much of the overall cap is spent on the line isn’t ‘good’ but at the same time, there’s quite a few rookie contracts there. If they develop normally (not even phenomenally), it’ll work out.

I have no doubt MM is a defensive guru but how much of his time is spent shoring up other aspects of the team?

Biggest concern imo is offensive distribution. Even when you can’t run the ball, you run the ball at a rate way higher than we have. We haven’t been able to keep defenses honest because our run/pass ratio is very skewed.

Take the players out of the equation. Although you can’t put a number on it, scheme/formation is largely responsible for a successful play to occur…on both sides of the ball. When you can’t run the ball…won’t run the ball…you’re making it easy for opposing defensive coaches.

Align for pass rush, double team (WR1) and/or play two high safeties, drop the zone back, etc…

We’re making it easy for defenses…and it shouldn’t be that way. It’s not like opposing teams are playing chess…we’re not even playing checkers. Grubbs over there like “Go fish”.

I’m not disappointed in the W/L record. I think I said 11-6 or 12-5 in preseason but, that was pure homerism. 9-8, 8-9 is more of a reality…things take time.

But the manner in which you lose says A LOT. Right now, it’s saying Grubb is out of his league.

 

[keasley45]

Yes, I have complained about coaching for a long time, but for different reasons.

While i'll agree it's a combination of both coaching and talent, you just can't ignore stuff like this - Per OverTheCap.com, the Seahawks ranked 22nd or lower in total OFFENSIVE LINE SPENDING in 9 of the previous 11 seasons, including currently being dead last in the NFL last year with just $13 million invested in the entire group.

Can we at least agree that not much attention has been spent on the group?

Abe Lucas 2nd rnd
Charles Cross 1st rnd
Connor Williams top 5 player at his spot

All essentially within a 2 year span. And that says nothing for Olu who was also highly touted and fell to us.

Before that, we invested the 69th overall pick in Damien Lewis in 2020 who played well and then mysteriously fell off a cliff, but was signed by Carolina last year where he is starting.

In a span of 3 years, we invested 3rd round or better draft picks (including a top 10 pick) on the O line at 3 of the 5 positions and picked up Laken Tomlinson (another player who was better in another Uni) to revamp 4 of the 5 spots.

Then consider guys like Ethan Pocic who never did anything here, but is starting in Cleveland.

Or Justin Britt who went on to start in Houston (and got an extension from them) before retiring last year due to injury.

And our own Damien Lewis who is now starting in Carolina.

So your argument that we arent investing because the payroll doesnt say so holds little water because we are actually INVESTING to address the position but the players end up not perforlning to their draft projection or the level of play they exhibited before coming here. Why would you pay them top dollar when they end up not performing when on your team?

When you factor in that before and after players at the position wear seattle blue and green, they perform at a higher level, that points to one thing...

Coaching.

Andy Dickerson had never coached Online before coming here and when he did arrive, wore the titles of run gane coordinator And O line coach.

Scott Huff, our current Online coach. Prior years experience in the league - 0.

You can flip to the D and see the same pattern.

Prior to this year, we had a D coordinator with 0 prior experience at the post before he got it in Clint Hurtt. When he vacated his spot as D line coach he was replaced by... no one. We had a 2 headed tag team of assistant D line coaches in Aaron Curry and D Lewis, supposedly supporting Hurtt as he pulled double duty as DC.

This team has been plagued by bad coaching which has wasted good talent. PC let the culture erode to the point that guys like Luke Wilson decided to retire rather than return here.

And this season has been plagued by a staggering number of self inflicted mistakes which have cost us games. The talent is their. The execution has not been. When you consider the lack of execution has been matched with a lack of discipline...

Thats coaching

You can have elite players at every position and if the coaching is bad, they will fail.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Abe Lucas 2nd rnd
Charles Cross 1st rnd
Connor Williams top 5 player at his spot

All essentially within a 2 year span. And that says nothing for Olu who was also highly touted and fell to us.

Before that, we invested the 69th overall pick in Damien Lewis in 2020 who played well and then mysteriously fell off a cliff, but was signed by Carolina last year where he is starting.

In a span of 3 years, we invested 3rd round or better draft picks (including a top 10 pick) on the O line at 3 of the 5 positions and picked up Laken Tomlinson (another player who was better in another Uni) to revamp 4 of the 5 spots.

Then consider guys like Ethan Pocic who never did anything here, but is starting in Cleveland.

Or Justin Britt who went on to start in Houston (and got an extension from them) before retiring last year due to injury.

And our own Damien Lewis who is now starting in Carolina.

So your argument that we arent investing because the payroll doesnt say so holds little water because we are actually INVESTING to address the position but the players end up not perforlning to their draft projection or the level of play they exhibited before coming here. Why would you pay them top dollar when they end up not performing when on your team?

When you factor in that before and after players at the position wear seattle blue and green, they perform at a higher level, that points to one thing...

Coaching.

Andy Dickerson had never coached Online before coming here and when he did arrive, wore the titles of run gane coordinator And O line coach.

Scott Huff, our current Online coach. Prior years experience in the league - 0.

You can flip to the D and see the same pattern.

Prior to this year, we had a D coordinator with 0 prior experience at the post before he got it in Clint Hurtt. When he vacated his spot as D line coach he was replaced by... no one. We had a 2 headed tag team of assistant D line coaches in Aaron Curry and D Lewis, supposedly supporting Hurtt as he pulled double duty as DC.

This team has been plagued by bad coaching which has wasted good talent. PC let the culture erode to the point that guys like Luke Wilson decided to retire rather than return here.

And this season has been plagued by a staggering number of self inflicted mistakes which have cost us games. The talent is their. The execution has not been. When you consider the lack of execution has been matched with a lack of discipline...

Thats coaching

You can have elite players at every position and if the coaching is bad, they will fail.

There's some hypocricy in your post. Your laying most of the blame on the coaching (you forgot to mention Solari who got canned due to poor results with the line too and then went to Cleveland and got better results even with his two starting tackles and a starting guard missing), but state players were let go because of their performance. Which is it? What's the real issue here?

Ok, let's say they have been investing in the Oline as you stated. Is the problem JS in that he is just incompetent in this area? It's hard to fathom that there could possibly be that many misses, but yet there is. If you can't draft well in a particular area, what's the next obvious step? Spend money in FA on proven players. That's where Seattle fails when in comes to the Oline. There is your lack of INVESTMENT.

When the list of coaches is long,,,,is it really the coaching?

 

[Ozzy]

Abe Lucas 2nd rnd
Charles Cross 1st rnd
Connor Williams top 5 player at his spot

All essentially within a 2 year span. And that says nothing for Olu who was also highly touted and fell to us.

Before that, we invested the 69th overall pick in Damien Lewis in 2020 who played well and then mysteriously fell off a cliff, but was signed by Carolina last year where he is starting.

In a span of 3 years, we invested 3rd round or better draft picks (including a top 10 pick) on the O line at 3 of the 5 positions and picked up Laken Tomlinson (another player who was better in another Uni) to revamp 4 of the 5 spots.

Then consider guys like Ethan Pocic who never did anything here, but is starting in Cleveland.

Or Justin Britt who went on to start in Houston (and got an extension from them) before retiring last year due to injury.

And our own Damien Lewis who is now starting in Carolina.

So your argument that we arent investing because the payroll doesnt say so holds little water because we are actually INVESTING to address the position but the players end up not perforlning to their draft projection or the level of play they exhibited before coming here. Why would you pay them top dollar when they end up not performing when on your team?

When you factor in that before and after players at the position wear seattle blue and green, they perform at a higher level, that points to one thing...

Coaching.

Andy Dickerson had never coached Online before coming here and when he did arrive, wore the titles of run gane coordinator And O line coach.

Scott Huff, our current Online coach. Prior years experience in the league - 0.

You can flip to the D and see the same pattern.

Prior to this year, we had a D coordinator with 0 prior experience at the post before he got it in Clint Hurtt. When he vacated his spot as D line coach he was replaced by... no one. We had a 2 headed tag team of assistant D line coaches in Aaron Curry and D Lewis, supposedly supporting Hurtt as he pulled double duty as DC.

This team has been plagued by bad coaching which has wasted good talent. PC let the culture erode to the point that guys like Luke Wilson decided to retire rather than return here.

And this season has been plagued by a staggering number of self inflicted mistakes which have cost us games. The talent is their. The execution has not been. When you consider the lack of execution has been matched with a lack of discipline...

Thats coaching

You can have elite players at every position and if the coaching is bad, they will fail.

Well to be fair This staff didn't bring in Cross or Lucas and Lucas can't see the field. I don't see how you can list Lucas and they said that's "coaching" Conner Williams was a FA so late in the process for a reason, no one views him anywhere near a top 5 at his position. So I don't think its fair to list him and then say "coaching" The third name mentioned, Cross, is playing really well. So wouldn't that seem to imply that because he's taken a big leap this year the coaching has been good? My point is I'm not sure I agree with your take on all 3 of them.

I'm not saying you're all wrong, and I'm sure coaching can be much better. I'm just not sure how you can say the talent is there with Lucas, Williams, the RT situation being what it was and literally only Cross being anything remotely close to talented. Lucas maybe? But if he can't make the field he can't be a part of the equation.

We don't have multiple elite players who are being failed by the coaching. Heck we may not have any elite players on the offensive line at all and only one is even remotely even considered someone who could be.

I just think we have to be patient and give them another time to get healthy and even possibly another off season with a full range of draft picks and some cap relief to figure this out.

 

[CallMeADawg]

LOL

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Complete overhaul? As new front office, new coaching? Or roster overhaul.

New front office, that our lovely Jody can do it anytime.

New coaching? Didn't we just install young Macdonald a few months ago and gave him a SIX year contract?

New roster? We ain't got no cap and we just traded away a few picks.

Please tell us how do you propose to execute that complete overhaul?

Was thinking about this but when is it that Jody Allen has to put the team up for sale as stipulated in Paul Allens will?

Guessing its in the next year or so. If say, a Bezos comes in does he keep JS or want his own guy in?

New owners are scary. We've had some bad ones in the past who were just there for the ego trip but Paul was good. I think Bezos would get the right people in for deciding GM's etc? I'm not so sure Jody will whenever JS does leave. Especially based on what I see with the Trailblazers.

 

[keasley45]

There's some hypocricy in your post. Your laying most of the blame on the coaching (you forgot to mention Solari who got canned due to poor results with the line too and then went to Cleveland and got better results even with his two starting tackles and a starting guard missing), but state players were let go because of their performance. Which is it? What's the real issue here?

Ok, let's say they have been investing in the Oline as you stated. Is the problem JS in that he is just incompetent in this area? It's hard to fathom that there could possibly be that many misses, but yet there is. If you can't draft well in a particular area, what's the next obvious step? Spend money in FA on proven players. That's where Seattle fails when in comes to the Oline. There is your lack of INVESTMENT.

When the list of coaches is long,,,,is it really the coaching?

There is no hypocricy.

The players were offered money to leave that the seahawks didnt match given how they played. OBVIOUSLY there was zero admission during the PC era that coaching was sub-par. It was obvious he placed his priority on raising guys up and giving them a shot, over the painfully slow to fruit results on the field.

And i'm looking at the post Wilson years.

As to JS being incompetent - if he's incompetent, then so is every scout in the league and draft pundit, who said Conner Williams was a top 5 Center and that Cross was the best lineman in the draft, and guven Lucas's play proor to his knee going out, one of the top up and coming RTs in the league.

Do you just ignore post season reviews that said Seattle hit a home-run locking down LT and RT for the next decade?

JS made those moves.

As to Solari, he went to a system that emphazises the run game. Something that can drastically Improve o line play... and ironically something we continue to refuse to do.

And why?

Coaching.

 

[Appyhawk]

Well to be fair This staff didn't bring in Cross or Lucas and Lucas can't see the field. I don't see how you can list Lucas and they said that's "coaching" Conner Williams was a FA so late in the process for a reason, no one views him anywhere near a top 5 at his position. So I don't think its fair to list him and then say "coaching" The third name mentioned, Cross, is playing really well. So wouldn't that seem to imply that because he's taken a big leap this year the coaching has been good? My point is I'm not sure I agree with your take on all 3 of them.

I'm not saying you're all wrong, and I'm sure coaching can be much better. I'm just not sure how you can say the talent is there with Lucas, Williams, the RT situation being what it was and literally only Cross being anything remotely close to talented. Lucas maybe? But if he can't make the field he can't be a part of the equation.

We don't have multiple elite players who are being failed by the coaching. Heck we may not have any elite players on the offensive line at all and only one is even remotely even considered someone who could be.

I just think we have to be patient and give them another time to get healthy and even possibly another off season with a full range of draft picks and some cap relief to figure this out.

Health issues have been a major concern regarding out performance this year. It appears that could continue, even though we are about to see the return of some key players. Other teams have been exposed for the same reason. When we get back to full strength AND our coaches get better adjusted our team performance will exhibit better results.

 

[Ozzy]

Health issues have been a major concern regarding out performance this year. It appears that could continue, even though we are about to see the return of some key players. Other teams have been exposed for the same reason. When we get back to full strength AND our coaches get better adjusted our team performance will exhibit better results.

That's my hope for sure.

 

[pittpnthrs]

There is no hypocricy.

The players were offered money to leave that the seahawks didnt match given how they played. OBVIOUSLY there was zero admission during the PC era that coaching was sub-par. It was obvious he placed his priority on raising guys up and giving them a shot, over the painfully slow to fruit results on the field.

And i'm looking at the post Wilson years.

As to JS being incompetent - if he's incompetent, then so is every scout in the league and draft pundit, who said Conner Williams was a top 5 Center and that Cross was the best lineman in the draft, and guven Lucas's play proor to his knee going out, one of the top up and coming RTs in the league.

Do you just ignore post season reviews that said Seattle hit a home-run locking down LT and RT for the next decade?

JS made those moves.

As to Solari, he went to a system that emphazises the run game. Something that can drastically Improve o line play... and ironically something we continue to refuse to do.

And why?

Coaching.

Zero admission during the PC era that coaching was sub-par? Are you joking? The coordinator positions were a literal carousel and Carroll himself was questioned during his tenure. You can't possibly believe what you just said.

Lol. Williams is on his 3rd team now and was originally drafted by Dallas to play guard. He isn't good. Cross is though, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Lucas was decent before his injury, but it's time to move on. I can list a bunch of drafted and FA jags now though if you want me to also that Pete and JS nabbed up.

Didn't Pete emphasize the run game too, but went away from it numerous times because they couldn't? Why was that?

 

[James in PA]

Bring back Cable!

 

[Fresno Hawk]

I would disagree about not drafting lineman. I feel like we have, but Pete for some reason could not develop them. So yes its coaching. We don't know if it's Mike's coaching staff trying to fix what Pete had tried to instill in them. Or if it's Mike's coaching staff not knowing what they are doing causing them to look worse than before. We can't just blame Mike. He inherented this oline so it will take more than 6 months to fix.

 

[keasley45]

Zero admission during the PC era that coaching was sub-par? Are you joking? The coordinator positions were a literal carousel and Carroll himself was questioned during his tenure. You can't possibly believe what you just said.

Lol. Williams is on his 3rd team now and was originally drafted by Dallas to play guard. He isn't good. Cross is though, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Lucas was decent before his injury, but it's time to move on. I can list a bunch of drafted and FA jags now though if you want me to also that Pete and JS nabbed up.

Didn't Pete emphasize the run game too, but went away from it numerous times because they couldn't? Why was that?

Pete admitting coachjng was bad ? In his later years? No way. He was in tears at his presser over his coaches who had completely crapped the bed.

He wasnt planning on getting rid of anyone and to that point, even hinted at that as having come up in his conversation with Jody at the end of 23.

Connor Willaims sucks? Ok. If thats the position you are going to take... no need to discuss that point further.

Same with Lucas. He was just ok?? You do know that the guy you acknowledged as being 'good' was unanimously seen as having been outplayed by the guy they drafted AFTER him, right? He was deemed our best lineman before he went down.

And bro, are you serious? We couldnt run? If you are talking about post Russ, its hard to decipher how adequate our run blocking is because in the years since, we have had playcallers who have been shown to have very little creativity in the run game. Prior to Schotty's departure, we were perennially a top 5 to 10 rushing attack in ypc. That waldron/russ chose to not run in 21 isnt a sign of failure on the part of the unit. We simply didnt do it in pursuit of MVP fame. Just as now, we arent doing it because the OC just wont call it.

There are plenty of teams that struggle to run the ball. They all still TRY to do it. We show no willingness to even attempt to scheme an approach to it. Zero .

Mark Schlereth has said multiple times when discussing our line and now Chicago's that an o line will be seen to struggle if there isnt an OC who is willing and able to implement an approach that intelligently mixes run and pass.

OUR COACHES havent dont that in years. We were near last in attempts last year and are there again in 24. We werent much better in 22 and were on thr MVP wagon behind Russ in 21.

Thats 4 years now of entirely ineffective rush scheming.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I would disagree about not drafting lineman. I feel like we have, but Pete for some reason could not develop them. So yes its coaching. We don't know if it's Mike's coaching staff trying to fix what Pete had tried to instill in them. Or if it's Mike's coaching staff not knowing what they are doing causing them to look worse than before. We can't just blame Mike. He inherented this oline so it will take more than 6 months to fix.

Pete didn't coach the linemen and Schneider/scouting staff were the guys who scouted and graded them with input from the OL coaches.

Traditionally, Pete has let OL coaches do what they want. Our blocking scheme changed drastically with each OL coach we had under his tenure.

I'm not blaming Mike either. Mike isn't coaching the OL. Grubb and Huff, however..

Also, there's nothing to unlearn habit wise that would cause them to not be able to block simple run plays well. Bad habits would be like... inconsistent spacing, or issues with lunging. Not blowing assignments.

 

[keasley45]

We dont even try to run the ball. We have no evidence of a deep or varied run playbook. If it exists, i havent seen it.

We call some pretty bland run designs between the tackles. They fail. We throw.

There is little creativity and no willingness to push the issue.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Pete admitting coachjng was bad ? In his later years? No way. He was in tears at his presser over his coaches who had completely crapped the bed.

He wasnt planning on getting rid of anyone and to that point, even hinted at that as having come up in his conversation with Jody at the end of 23.

Connor Willaims sucks? Ok. If thats the position you are going to take... no need to discuss that point further.

Same with Lucas. He was just ok?? You do know that the guy you acknowledged as being 'good' was unanimously seen as having been outplayed by the guy they drafted AFTER him, right? He was deemed our best lineman before he went down.

And bro, are you serious? We couldnt run? If you are talking about post Russ, its hard to decipher how adequate our run blocking is because in the years since, we have had playcallers who have been shown to have very little creativity in the run game. Prior to Schotty's departure, we were perennially a top 5 to 10 rushing attack in ypc. That waldron/russ chose to not run in 21 isnt a sign of failure on the part of the unit. We simply didnt do it in pursuit of MVP fame. Just as now, we arent doing it because the OC just wont call it.

There are plenty of teams that struggle to run the ball. They all still TRY to do it. We show no willingness to even attempt to scheme an approach to it. Zero .

Mark Schlereth has said multiple times when discussing our line and now Chicago's that an o line will be seen to struggle if there isnt an OC who is willing and able to implement an approach that intelligently mixes run and pass.

OUR COACHES havent dont that in years. We were near last in attempts last year and are there again in 24. We werent much better in 22 and were on thr MVP wagon behind Russ in 21.

Thats 4 years now of entirely ineffective rush scheming.

Pete admitting it? No, that would never happen, but that's not what i'm talking about. I'm talking about the vast array of coordinators and Pete himself that were evident of not getting the job done by pundits, and finally the owner.

Lucas was good, but I don't think he was as good as Cross. Cross plays left tackle and has more of a workload trying to protect the blindside.

I'm talking about times with Russ too. How many times have you watched games where the run game stalled? Walker is barely averaging 3 ypc in his last 4 games. I know they need to keep trying, but its a futile feeling being forced to do something that you don't succeed in. The mix will get better with a better Oline.

Four years of ineffective rush scheming with two entirely different staffs. Hmmmm

 

[GemCity]

Abe Lucas 2nd rnd
Charles Cross 1st rnd
Connor Williams top 5 player at his spot

All essentially within a 2 year span. And that says nothing for Olu who was also highly touted and fell to us.

Before that, we invested the 69th overall pick in Damien Lewis in 2020 who played well and then mysteriously fell off a cliff, but was signed by Carolina last year where he is starting.

In a span of 3 years, we invested 3rd round or better draft picks (including a top 10 pick) on the O line at 3 of the 5 positions and picked up Laken Tomlinson (another player who was better in another Uni) to revamp 4 of the 5 spots.

Then consider guys like Ethan Pocic who never did anything here, but is starting in Cleveland.

Or Justin Britt who went on to start in Houston (and got an extension from them) before retiring last year due to injury.

And our own Damien Lewis who is now starting in Carolina.

So your argument that we arent investing because the payroll doesnt say so holds little water because we are actually INVESTING to address the position but the players end up not perforlning to their draft projection or the level of play they exhibited before coming here. Why would you pay them top dollar when they end up not performing when on your team?

When you factor in that before and after players at the position wear seattle blue and green, they perform at a higher level, that points to one thing...

Coaching.

Andy Dickerson had never coached Online before coming here and when he did arrive, wore the titles of run gane coordinator And O line coach.

Scott Huff, our current Online coach. Prior years experience in the league - 0.

You can flip to the D and see the same pattern.

Prior to this year, we had a D coordinator with 0 prior experience at the post before he got it in Clint Hurtt. When he vacated his spot as D line coach he was replaced by... no one. We had a 2 headed tag team of assistant D line coaches in Aaron Curry and D Lewis, supposedly supporting Hurtt as he pulled double duty as DC.

This team has been plagued by bad coaching which has wasted good talent. PC let the culture erode to the point that guys like Luke Wilson decided to retire rather than return here.

And this season has been plagued by a staggering number of self inflicted mistakes which have cost us games. The talent is their. The execution has not been. When you consider the lack of execution has been matched with a lack of discipline...

Thats coaching

You can have elite players at every position and if the coaching is bad, they will fail.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Pete didn't coach the linemen and Schneider/scouting staff were the guys who scouted and graded them with input from the OL coaches.

Traditionally, Pete has let OL coaches do what they want. Our blocking scheme changed drastically with each OL coach we had under his tenure.

I'm not blaming Mike either. Mike isn't coaching the OL. Grubb and Huff, however..

Also, there's nothing to unlearn habit wise that would cause them to not be able to block simple run plays well. Bad habits would be like... inconsistent spacing, or issues with lunging. Not blowing assignments.

I know Pete himself is not developing them, but his coaching staff was. And his coaches were picked by him to run a certain style.

And that's just it I haven't seen much blown assignments, I've seen lack of effort. Multiple plays that are being given up on and not finishing blocks. Slow footed, staying tall and getting driven back. This i would say is bad habits. QBs work on their bad habits all the time in the offseason. It's no different for lineman.
It's bad technic that's someone has not fixed with them and some one isn't driving a fire under them to be more nasty when blocking.
Either way it will take time for this staff to figure out. Pete and his staff couldn't do it so we will see if Mike and his staff will be able to.