Geno ain't goin' anywhere -

Sperrydogg

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I see him getting mad at himself and he seems to take accountability as well.
We all know he's not perfect, we are used to it since Me3s time and beyond.
I see him getting mad at the other team, and the refs, but himself I don’t know. Even that press conference where he apologized for sucking was weird. Like he wants us to love him so bad… I’m not a fan of him as a leader in any way.
 

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It's coach-speak season. Mac was asked a question about Geno and gave the answer you would expect him to give. What benefit is there to not expressing complete confidence in his abilities? Free agency is not replete with obvious upgrades, and there are really only two good QBs in this draft, neither of which are likely to hit reasonable trade-up range. Even if behind closed doors, Mac is less bullish on Geno's chances of leading this team to greener pastures this season, if he vacillates on his commitment to Geno publicly, he puts himself in a very bad position in the very real possibility that the team is just unable to acquire a better option this offseason. Talking him up doesn't guarantee he's still the guy in three years. Hell, it doesn't even guarantee he's the guy this year. It'd be easy to talk around this if they do find an option they think is better. They could make an aggressive move in the draft if Ward or Sanders has a surprising fall and it can still easily be spun as something that isn't an indictment on Geno. They could acquire a young backup with upside, and say they're always looking to improve the team. If that guy wins a competition, or it's close enough where it makes logical sense to go with the younger, cheaper guy, it doesn't mean they don't like Geno.

At this point, Geno mostly is what he is. There are absolutely things to like, but he's never going to be a guy who can carry you to a championship, and at his age, it would not be reasonable to expect a prodigious improvement in his decision-making and ability to read defenses. They have to try to improve everything around him enough where won't be forced into as many situations where he could make a game-breaking mistake. Honestly, while Grubb was clearly overmatched as an OC and I was in favor of him moving on, I never really got on him that much for the run/pass imbalance. Geno is an accurate passer with solid instincts, but he is not a great processor who can think his way around the field. Slowing the game down is not where he shines, so I understood the temptation to keep him in a rhythm with a heavy dose of quick passes. That also touches why I'm not in favor of extending him further, at least not in a way that more or less locks us into him for multiple seasons. In the very rare (much rarer than many think) instances where a quarterback was still a high-end option into his mid-late 30s, they still almost always saw a considerable decline in their physical abilities, but were guys you could depend on to think their way around the field. They weren't guys you were still waiting to see the best of. They had proven repeatedly they could do it.

Really, the only example I'm seeing of what people are hoping Geno can do is Rich Gannon. Gannon didn't play right away like Geno did, but after three years of barely playing, he had a so-so three-year stretch as the Vikings starter, but eventually fell out of favor, and bounced around as a backup for a little bit. He signed with the Raiders in his age 34 season and had an above-average, Pro Bowl season for an 8-8 team where he took a disgusting number of sacks (his 49 was fourth in the league, Geno was third in the league this year with 50. In both cases, the league leader was the rookie - Tim Couch then, Caleb Williams this season- who had been taken #1 overall). Then the following year, in his age 35 season, Gannon went insane for a three-year stretch where he was first team All-Pro twice, was league MVP once, and led the team to the 2002 Super Bowl. I'm not exactly sure what to attribute that improvement from 1999 to 2000; the coaching staff was mostly the same and the offensive line was similar. Their LT from the 1999 season moved to RG in 2000 to replace a guy who was out of the league shortly after, while the LT position was filled by their first round pick (18th overall, ironically) from the year prior, who played half the season before getting hurt and then being replaced by an undrafted free agent from the year prior, who ended up keeping the job for the next five seasons.
 
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Nor do I think he needs to go anywhere this season. Bolt on as many Oline fixes, get a decent balanced and *intelligent* attack going and see how the season goes. And oh yea, draft a QB.

"Yeah. Heck yeah, man," Macdonald said. "Geno's our quarterback. I don't understand the conversation. It's pretty obvious this guy is a heck of a quarterback. He's our quarterback. We love him. Can't wait to go to work with him."

"We've had a lot of non-football conversations -- to keep it legal -- over the last month or so," Macdonald told the TV station, referring to Smith. "And I know he's really excited about Klint taking over. This guy, he's a great player, man. And we can win a championship with Geno Smith. We really believe that and can't wait to get back to work with him."

Should tell you everything we need to know at this point. 👏 👍
"to keep it legal". LOL
 

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I might as well get on board with another Geno thread too. How about….Geno…the early years?
In about three months, there will be the thread entitled: "How I finally stopped worrying about Geno and learned acceptance and how to trust in fate."
 

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Completion percentage, accuracy under pressure, fewest bad throws, adjusted completion percentage, completion of difficult passes. Yeah. But all of that.
You still don't get it, completion % is crucial except Geno's completion %, which became something to sneeze at by the geNOs.
 
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I don't see how we can upgrade from Geno. If our run game and defense improves with better talent and learning schemes, we are good enough to win it all with Geno.
I agree with your first sentence. Theres really no chance to upgrade in the draft and free agency wont offer anyone decent. I hope you are right about the second sentence. Good Geno is good enough so if they mprove other areas , maybe it will keep Evil Geno from appearing too often.
 

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It's nice for coaches to stroke the ego of Geno. It will keep things quiet and out of the media.
 

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Completion % is possibly the lowest correlated stat for success because it’s so dependent on scheme.

Geno is a very accurate passer for sure doesn’t mean he’s top 10 though when evaluating every metric and we can’t ignore tue obvious ones for the sake of our argument.
Ozzy, anything Geno does right seems like it will be looked at as the least important stat. Completion percentage depends on scheme and a qb being accurate. If your dude is a checkdown king or holding onto the ball until a guy is open by 5 yards, completion percentage matters less. If, however completion percentage is high and the qb is ALSO league leading accurate , AND one of the best deep ball throwers AND is perennially top 10 in lowest drop in accuracy regardless of pressure, AND is top 5 in attempts for a season because he is the team's only offense, well then completion percentage matters a lot and is absolutley relevant. ESPECIALLY when it has been proven that he has a hieved what he has despite the scheme.

You know what stat SHOULD have qualifiers and matter less? Tds, INts and explosive plays. The qb shouldnt get credit for a 90 yard td if all he did was complete a swing pass and the wr took it to the house. A qb shouldnt get dinged for fewer TD passes if he plays in a run heavy scheme or the rbs have a disproportionately high td load. And the qb shouldnt get dinged if the ball hits his wr in the hands or bounces off of him and into the hands of a defender or is batted to begin with. Disagree? Compare our QBs ints last year to Sam Howells in Washington. Its a comp thats often referenced, but there coukdnt be 2 different examples of qbs throwing ints in the history of the league.
 
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I agree with your first sentence. Theres really no chance to upgrade in the draft and free agency wont offer anyone decent. I hope you are right about the second sentence. Good Geno is good enough so if they mprove other areas , maybe it will keep Evil Geno from appearing too often.
He's not a Brady, but Jesus - we actually had a game, because of the stupid ass playcalling from Grubb where we had as many sacks as first downs in the game? Thought it was 7 at the time. And on top of it Grubb doubled down and at one point was calling 80% pass plays when that shit wasn't working, and didn't have time.

How the hell anyone can expect Brady type stats out of him when he's consistently running for his life is beyond me. He was fine first season.

And the 'inexplicable' red zone INTs are simply a matter of a compressed field and ZERO time to throw the ball, and NO run plays being called this year.

He's not a superhero, but he's alot better than what some give him credit for IMHO. He's not gonna put the team on his back - Favre style or anything, but with some time to throw, and with some pieces around him fixed - he was fine his first year?! Bridge to a draft not this draft but next. IMO.
 

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With Rodgers available I’m surprised there isn’t a thread already talking about trading for him or trading Geno or or or or
 

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