Could It Be? Is Geno Elite?

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He is not elite.
His issue is not weather or not he has elite skills or that he can be a game changer. He has shown he can dominate a game in the past.

His issue that keeps him from being elite is the thing all non elite players lack. The ability to be consistently Elite. He is inconsistent and very streaky. This will always keep him from being an elite player and keep him in the he's a good player. Being a good quarterback is not a bad thing.
This is why I made the comment above about being a goldfish. If Geno can get more zen like I think he could really improve his consistency.
 

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I don't think he is elite but decent when protected. Similar to Goff.

He needs to beat the 49ers for everyone to be fully convinced. They've absolutely owned him so far and if you want to win the division or go far in the play offs you are going to have to eventually.

If Grubb is anything like in college though then I have no worries. He made Jake Haener who struggled big time at UW into a player that was able to be drafted to the NFL at Fresno St and helped develop Penix.

I'd like to see a complete season though of great play not half of some before i'd consider extending.
 

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Geno was pretty damn good in 2022. I don't have to be a huge believer in the guy (in the clutch) to acknowledge the obvious. We get that level or better in 2024? Playoffs. I actually am pretty confident in Geno having his best year as a Seahawk. Not joking.
 

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To be devils advocate. Geno, Wilson and T Jack had the best years of their career under Pete. I guess the question is how much more growth/ceiling does Geno have left?
 

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In Geno's defense I would suggest his lack of ability to dominate games falls in the lap of Pete for his tendency to get a lead, any lead, then go into a clock killing bend-don't break defensive, and ultra conservative offence calls, shell for as long as that lead lasted. You aren't going to win a lot of games playing 3 downs and punt offense and strictly reactionary defense, and you certainly won't dominate many of the games you do manage to win. That is why I think with our new schemes with new coaching philosophies this twice made 9-8 team could streak into fresh territory in the w/l column. Geno might even be a beneficiary of notoriety from such results. But I doubt he will ever be tagged as elite. Even if he plays at an élite level this entire season his years of less than elite baggage would keep him from being considered that way.
 

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This is the make-or-break year for him, imo. Go get it, Geno.
Let me ask you, do you think Geno and Penix are very similar?
I mean body,arm and pocket presence?
It's what has me thinking Grubb will unlock Geno even more.
 

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The Ringer's 2024 QB Rankings going into Week 1

Geno is ranked #10.

"There is no throw he doesn't think he can make, and he's usually right."

"Geno Smith has developed into one of the most well-rounded quarterbacks in the NFL. Good luck finding a real weakness in his game."

"...but Smith's biggest strength is also his biggest weakness. His confidence in the pocket leads to bigger opportunities for the Seahawks offense... ...(b)ut it also leads to more sacks and potentially risky throws late in the down."



There's more in the link and I think the overall thing is interesting to read. They use a different style of QB ranking, wherein the try to rank each QB on individual attributes (Accuracy, Creativity, Pocket Presence, etc.) rather than just using stats and create a composite score with that. I think Geno's rank is pretty much where I have him, so no issues there, but disagree with some things on this list.

For example, there is no mention of the fact that Patrick Mahomes had a relative down year, Aaron Rodgers is ranked in the top 10 and Jordan Love isn't and I would do the opposite right now, Justin Herbert and Matt Stafford above Dak Prescott... they also don't rate Purdy or Tua in the top 10 at all--which I instinctively agree with but seeing the likes of Trevor Lawrence and Kyler Murray ahead of those two seems wrong.

It's well written though and they make a decent enough defense of some of the decisions I disagree with, so use it as food for thought.
 

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The Ringer's 2024 QB Rankings going into Week 1

Geno is ranked #10.

"There is no throw he doesn't think he can make, and he's usually right."

"Geno Smith has developed into one of the most well-rounded quarterbacks in the NFL. Good luck finding a real weakness in his game."

"...but Smith's biggest strength is also his biggest weakness. His confidence in the pocket leads to bigger opportunities for the Seahawks offense... ...(b)ut it also leads to more sacks and potentially risky throws late in the down."



There's more in the link and I think the overall thing is interesting to read. They use a different style of QB ranking, wherein the try to rank each QB on individual attributes (Accuracy, Creativity, Pocket Presence, etc.) rather than just using stats and create a composite score with that. I think Geno's rank is pretty much where I have him, so no issues there, but disagree with some things on this list.

For example, there is no mention of the fact that Patrick Mahomes had a relative down year, Aaron Rodgers is ranked in the top 10 and Jordan Love isn't and I would do the opposite right now, Justin Herbert and Matt Stafford above Dak Prescott... they also don't rate Purdy or Tua in the top 10 at all--which I instinctively agree with but seeing the likes of Trevor Lawrence and Kyler Murray ahead of those two seems wrong.

It's well written though and they make a decent enough defense of some of the decisions I disagree with, so use it as food for thought.
Ruiz is an analytics nerd. So, he skews toward a specific style of QB, which tends to piss the less analytical folks off. For example, he has Purdy 16th, Tua at 18th, and Wilson 27th—three guys who don't grade particularly individually for various reasons.
 

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Maybe on one side of the ball. Do I think Geno is elite..no. there are like 4 elite qbs in the league right now due to serious lack of talent at the position. I think he's OK to good but definitely not the entire reason the team has hovered and will likely again hover at 500. The last qb we had was hidden in a mix of an all time defense and great rb. Could Geno have done the same? I think yes.
Yeah but I think Geno would have called an audible on one play and not thrown that pass :)
 

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Is Geno elite. NO! Does he have elite traits, YES. Elite leader yes, elite character yes, elite work ethic yes.
Geno reminds me of an NBA player that is a streak shooter. When he's hot, he is on fire. But when he is cold he's cold. He struggles when the field shrinks. Even in his early years he was able to move the ball up and down the field with the Jets. But he always struggled in the red zone. All the elite QB are excellent in the redzone.
 

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I've always said they're part of the picture, but they cannot be used alone. They need to be used in context, otherwise they're just numbers that people will use to fit their own confirmation bias.

You need tape to go with stats, especially individual stats. No player exists in a vacuum.

That being said, you sure do bring up box score stats whenever you're in a corner, so... not really sure if "haha, this guy cites statistics!" is the dunk you think it is.

It's all good Mael. Let's just be careful with the hypocricy. And I agree with you that stats don't tell all. The eye test is just as important. Unfortunately not everybody see's the same things.
 

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Does this include Ryan Grubb and Mike Macdonald?

Never met a coach or staff that didn't talk up their own players, have you? MM just came from an actual MVP QB to Geno Smith. I'm sure he can see the difference.
 

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Maybe on one side of the ball. Do I think Geno is elite..no. there are like 4 elite qbs in the league right now due to serious lack of talent at the position. I think he's OK to good but definitely not the entire reason the team has hovered and will likely again hover at 500. The last qb we had was hidden in a mix of an all time defense and great rb. Could Geno have done the same? I think yes.

He was hidden in the mix for about 4 years. It's not like it was that for his entire tenure.

We agree to disagree about Geno being able to do the same under those circumstances. Wilson's legs are underrated in that time frame. He made it much easier on Lynch than Geno would have.
 

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Didn't he kind of do that in his first year as a starter here? At least for half a season when we were supposed to be bad.

Umm, what did he do exactly? I remember a .500 club somehow reaching the post season and getting bounced.
 

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