Could It Be? Is Geno Elite?

[Ozzy]

He was hidden in the mix for about 4 years. It's not like it was that for his entire tenure.

We agree to disagree about Geno being able to do the same under those circumstances. Wilson's legs are underrated in that time frame. He made it much easier on Lynch than Geno would have.

Russ and Lynch were the perfect marriage. Everyone loves to talk about how Lynch helped Russ but Russ and the threat of his legs helped Lynch a ton too. Running QB's are huge for a running game because it limits how a defense can control the running back.

 

[themunn]

Umm, what did he do exactly? I remember a .500 club somehow reaching the post season and getting bounced.

Yes Geno is the reason Purdy threw for 330 yards and 30 TDs on just 30 attempts (0 ints) while allowing 181 rushing yards on 33 attempts, and 3 back to back 70 yard TD drives in the 2nd half after we went in ahead at halftime.

You probably also think Geno is the reason for the FIVE offensive penalties we incurred in our 2 drives between those 3 TD drives (2 false starts on Cross, 2 ineligible man downfield on Lewis, and one offensive holding on Forsythe), meaning Geno's final plays on each drive came on 3rd and 14 and 3rd and 22 - someone like Mahomes would have obviously converted both while also catching 3 interceptions on defense to single handedly beat them.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Yes Geno is the reason Purdy threw for 330 yards and 30 TDs on just 30 attempts (0 ints) while allowing 181 rushing yards on 33 attempts, and 3 back to back 70 yard TD drives in the 2nd half after we went in ahead at halftime.

You probably also think Geno is the reason for the FIVE offensive penalties we incurred in our 2 drives between those 3 TD drives (2 false starts on Cross, 2 ineligible man downfield on Lewis, and one offensive holding on Forsythe), meaning Geno's final plays on each drive came on 3rd and 14 and 3rd and 22 - someone like Mahomes would have obviously converted both while also catching 3 interceptions on defense to single handedly beat them.

Prepare for the goalposts to move.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yes Geno is the reason Purdy threw for 330 yards and 30 TDs on just 30 attempts (0 ints) while allowing 181 rushing yards on 33 attempts, and 3 back to back 70 yard TD drives in the 2nd half after we went in ahead at halftime.

You probably also think Geno is the reason for the FIVE offensive penalties we incurred in our 2 drives between those 3 TD drives (2 false starts on Cross, 2 ineligible man downfield on Lewis, and one offensive holding on Forsythe), meaning Geno's final plays on each drive came on 3rd and 14 and 3rd and 22 - someone like Mahomes would have obviously converted both while also catching 3 interceptions on defense to single handedly beat them.

I think he played a part in the 6 total points scored in the entire second half or was that everybody but Geno's fault too?

Purdy threw 30 TD's on just 30 attempts? I agree with you, that's a pretty good game.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Prepare for the goalposts to move.

Goalposts aren't going anywhere.

 

[themunn]

I think he played a part in the 6 total points scored in the entire second half or was that everybody but Geno's fault too?

Purdy threw 30 TD's on just 30 attempts? I agree with you, that's a pretty good game.

You know when someone starts jumping on typos that they aren't even trying to debate, just needlessly point score by pointing out something that was clearly unintentional - thanks though because it demonstrates you don't actually care about talking about the facts.

And in any case I know you're just trolling now since you're glossing over the 5 penalties I specifically highlighted which contributed to killing 2 of our 4 2nd half drives (interception and TD pass from Geno on another).

Penalties called on Seahawks offense in 2nd half - 6.
Penalties called on SF offense through entire game - 0

Geno wasn't perfect in the 2nd half, you're right. The interception didn't help, although given the 3 defensive drives that had preceded it putting us in a hole anything that happened at that point didn't really matter. In any case not particularly surprising that he didn't have an absolutely perfect game given he was going up against the league's #1 rated defense. But his 253 passing yards and 2 TDs vs 1 Int in the SF game outperfomed both QBs who subsequently went up against the Niners (Dak - 205 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, Hurts - 121 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs). Incidentally, the Eagles were able to win the game with that level of QB performance, and they were good enough to take the game down to the final 8 seconds of the superbowl with the Chiefs. So once again, perhaps it's not just QB play that's the reason for victories.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Goalposts aren't going anywhere.

That's all you've done here. You should just admit that you hate Geno Smith and no amount of logic and reason are enough to change your mind.

Anyone with clarity of thought is able to read between the lines and come to that conclusion rather easily.

 

[rcaido]

You know when someone starts jumping on typos that they aren't even trying to debate, just needlessly point score by pointing out something that was clearly unintentional - thanks though because it demonstrates you don't actually care about talking about the facts.

And in any case I know you're just trolling now since you're glossing over the 5 penalties I specifically highlighted which contributed to killing 2 of our 4 2nd half drives (interception and TD pass from Geno on another).

Penalties called on Seahawks offense in 2nd half - 6.
Penalties called on SF offense through entire game - 0

Geno wasn't perfect in the 2nd half, you're right. The interception didn't help, although given the 3 defensive drives that had preceded it putting us in a hole anything that happened at that point didn't really matter. In any case not particularly surprising that he didn't have an absolutely perfect game given he was going up against the league's #1 rated defense. But his 253 passing yards and 2 TDs vs 1 Int in the SF game outperfomed both QBs who subsequently went up against the Niners (Dak - 205 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, Hurts - 121 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs). Incidentally, the Eagles were able to win the game with that level of QB performance, and they were good enough to take the game down to the final 8 seconds of the superbowl with the Chiefs. So once again, perhaps it's not just QB play that's the reason for victories.

You forgot to mention that costly fumble Geno had in the 3rd quarter, right when they were about to go to the redzone. That was the momentum shifter of the game. Also the game was already over when he got that last TD, padded that extra stat.

 

[themunn]

You forgot to mention that costly fumble Geno had in the 3rd quarter, right when they were about to go to the redzone. That was the momentum shifter of the game. Also the game was already over when he got that last TD, padded that extra stat.

I guess you're misremembering, because Geno had already gotten us into the red zone (after converting a 3rd and 12), a DJ Dallas 1 yard run later, Geno throws a 7 yarder to Lockett which should take us to a 3rd and 2 easily manageable, but instead a 5 yard penalty on Damien Lewis being an ineligible man turns that into another 3rd and 14, and Geno was strip-sacked when the pocket collapsed immediately after his dropback.

The next time he gets the ball we're 31-17 down - 1st down he tossed a 15 yard completion to Metcalf - good start! Maybe we can bring it back. 2nd play - 10 yard penalty for holding on Forsythe negating a 10 yard run. OK 1st and 20 maybe we can still get it back. Oh, false start on Cross. Never mind 1st and 25. Again - Purdy's offense didn't incur a single penalty throughout the game so he was never put in that position.

Geno has to beat the #1 defense, and to do it while his teammates chalk up unnecessary penalties, all the while his defense is letting in TDs on every single drive. Yet it's his fault we didn't win that game?

 

[rcaido]

Got to protect the football. Hawks were only down by 6. We hit a field goal, its only 3 point game. Instead they ended up going up 14. That was the game right there. Stop making excuses for him.

 

[Ozzy]

That's all you've done here. You should just admit that you hate Geno Smith and no amount of logic and reason are enough to change your mind.

Anyone with clarity of thought is able to read between the lines and come to that conclusion rather easily.

I don't think saying Geno isn't elite is hating on him though. It's exactly how the entire league views him which based on recent league polling we now know. I think the league underrates Geno but still league execs aren't usually miles apart on this stuff. Geno has a chance to have an elite type year this year and that's good enough for me. I don't think he's elite but he's a good QB and I hope he plays lights out like he has in spurts.

 

[CallMeADawg]

I don't think saying Geno isn't elite is hating on him though. It's exactly how the entire league views him which based on recent league polling we now know. I think the league underrates Geno but still league execs aren't usually miles apart on this stuff. Geno has a chance to have an elite type year this year and that's good enough for me. I don't think he's elite but he's a good QB and I hope he plays lights out like he has in spurts.

Oh this I agree with. I even said this myself earlier in this very thread.

It's all the crap the other person has stated over many moons about Geno that I was referring to.

 

[pittpnthrs]

You know when someone starts jumping on typos that they aren't even trying to debate, just needlessly point score by pointing out something that was clearly unintentional - thanks though because it demonstrates you don't actually care about talking about the facts.

I was just joking around for a laugh. Calm down.

 

[pittpnthrs]

That's all you've done here. You should just admit that you hate Geno Smith and no amount of logic and reason are enough to change your mind.

Anyone with clarity of thought is able to read between the lines and come to that conclusion rather easily.

Evidently your thought is unclear as I don't hate Geno at all. I'm just not ready to crown him God's gift to the QB position like a bunch of you around here are.

 

[Lagartixa]

Got to protect the football. Hawks were only down by 6. We hit a field goal, its only 3 point game. Instead they ended up going up 14. That was the game right there. Stop making excuses for him.

By the same criteria you've used to determine that Geno Smith is responsible for the Seahawks losing to the 49ers, we can say that Russell Wilson was responsible for the Seahawks losing to the Patriots in Super Bowl XLIX, right?

Got to protect the football.

Check. Russell Wilson failed to do so and delivered the ball to the Patriots.

That was the game right there.

Yep. Score and win a second Super Bowl. Fail to score and... well, fail to win that second title.

Stop making excuses for him.

Tee hee.
Please tell us more about making excuses for quarterbacks.

 

[themunn]

Evidently your thought is unclear as I don't hate Geno at all. I'm just not ready to crown him God's gift to the QB position like a bunch of you around here are.

I don't think anybody here believes he is god's gift to the QB position. But the parameters you seem to set for him *would* require him to be god's gift to the QB position to actually do some of the things you would want.

He was hidden in the mix for about 4 years. It's not like it was that for his entire tenure.

We agree to disagree about Geno being able to do the same under those circumstances. Wilson's legs are underrated in that time frame. He made it much easier on Lynch than Geno would have.

I missed this post on my first read through - do you remember that Wilson started his career 0-13 in games where the Seahawks defense allowed 24 points or more - this was a guy who won more games to start his career than any other player remember, but what he couldn't do was win when the chips were down and he was the one who needed to lead the team over the hump.

In fact it wasn't until after we had been to 2 superbowls that Wilson won his first EVER game where the defense allowed more than 24 points (and of course we never made it anywhere close ever since). Since then Wilson is 3-5 in playoff games - oh and has never won a playoff game where his team conceded more than TEN POINTS in that time. In fact, only ONCE in his career did he ever win a playoff game where the defense allowed more than 17 points - the NFFCG where he threw 4 interceptions!!!

So yeah, I do think maybe Geno could have done it under those circumstances.

 

[Torc]

To go back to the original question (Is Geno elite), I admit the answer is no.

Then again, I think there is only one elite QB in the league right now, and I could see an argument for a second. Those two would be Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. (Although Lamar is 2-4 in the playoffs. By the standards of this thread, that would make him not elite.) All the other QBs that the media call "elite" are simply "good" to "very good".

 

[pittpnthrs]

I don't think anybody here believes he is god's gift to the QB position. But the parameters you seem to set for him *would* require him to be god's gift to the QB position to actually do some of the things you would want.



I missed this post on my first read through - do you remember that Wilson started his career 0-13 in games where the Seahawks defense allowed 24 points or more - this was a guy who won more games to start his career than any other player remember, but what he couldn't do was win when the chips were down and he was the one who needed to lead the team over the hump.

In fact it wasn't until after we had been to 2 superbowls that Wilson won his first EVER game where the defense allowed more than 24 points (and of course we never made it anywhere close ever since). Since then Wilson is 3-5 in playoff games - oh and has never won a playoff game where his team conceded more than TEN POINTS in that time. In fact, only ONCE in his career did he ever win a playoff game where the defense allowed more than 17 points - the NFFCG where he threw 4 interceptions!!!

So yeah, I do think maybe Geno could have done it under those circumstances.

The parameters I set are only due to the other worldly praise some of you are giving him. He's a steady QB that can go on streaks, but he also has chinks in his game. All i'm asking of him is to win a post season game. I want to see if i'm wrong about him not having the mentality or poise to do so. From what i've seen of him, I don't think he does.

Nice stat on Wilson. Did you also get the one where he's tied with John Elway for 9th all time for 4th quarter comebacks with 35? I know, your wondering how Geno could ever have sat behind him.

Lastly, I don't think Geno could have done what Russ did because the read option with Lynch wouldn't have existed with Smith.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Got to protect the football. Hawks were only down by 6. We hit a field goal, its only 3 point game. Instead they ended up going up 14. That was the game right there. Stop making excuses for him.

Excuses? Buddy it's literally the factual retelling of the game

 

[Maelstrom787]

If this were 2011, this board would be head over heels with Geno.

It's 2024 and the mood around the team has soured. No one will be anointed until fans are actually happy again.