I didn’t see Pete

[hgwellz12]

The role being ceremonial and undefined doesn't mean it doesn't/won't exist. From what we know from Pete and John in separate interviews, Pete's position would be an ambassador-style role more than anything involved with the internal workings of the team. That was pretty clear from both interviews. What's unclear is what that looks like and whether Pete would even want to do it.

The notion that Seattle offered Pete a position they had no real intention of giving him out of respect seems somewhat ridiculous. That would be the most cynical of short-term PR moves imaginable. So when KJ said there was no advisory role, he probably meant the role wasn't involved in day-to-day operations, which seems like common sense.

Great points.

 

[keasley45]

I think if Pete wants to come back, he can. In what capacity? I can 100% see him organizing lectures to the team by outside resources... motivational speakers, influencers, etc' ... the non traditional stuff that grows and impacts players in other ways. Stopping in twice a year to inspire the guys ... and working with Mac to do it.

Or him just being a sounding board when John needs it.

 

[bigcc]

Talking to his agent on college gig openings.

UW needs a defensive coordinator

Good thing his kid can put in a good word for him given the barren cv

EDIT: in all seriousness, the advisory role was obviously for the fans more than the team, softened the blow a bit if you will.

Having a former HC hanging around isn't ideal for anyone

 

[Fade]

The role being ceremonial and undefined doesn't mean it doesn't/won't exist. From what we know from Pete and John in separate interviews, Pete's position would be an ambassador-style role more than anything involved with the internal workings of the team. That was pretty clear from both interviews. What's unclear is what that looks like and whether Pete would even want to do it.

The notion that Seattle offered Pete a position they had no real intention of giving him out of respect seems somewhat ridiculous. That would be the most cynical of short-term PR moves imaginable. So when KJ said there was no advisory role, he probably meant the role wasn't involved in day-to-day operations, which seems like common sense.

He's still getting paid from his current contract is why. It will expire after the upcoming season. And he will not be getting any more contracts from the Seahawks thereafter.

Pete was fired in a PR way that was meant to soften the blow for the more casual fans, as they have yet to realize how far the old man has slipped and still think he is a good coach. Anyone who covers the team, or analysts commenting on the situation can see this. Even KJ his former players has said it.

He doesn't even have an office at the VMAC currently. Wasn't in attendance at the introductory presser, still hasn't met w/Macdonald. Pete is done, its the Mike Macdonald era now.

 

[Jac]

He's still getting paid from his current contract is why. It will expire after the upcoming season. And he will not be getting any more contracts from the Seahawks thereafter.

Pete was fired in a PR way that was meant to soften the blow for the more casual fans, as they have yet to realize how far the old man has slipped and still think he is a good coach. Anyone who covers the team, or analysts commenting on the situation can see this. Even KJ his former players has said it.

He doesn't even have an office at the VMAC currently. Wasn't in attendance at the introductory presser, still hasn't met w/Macdonald. Pete is done, its the Mike Macdonald era now.

I don't understand why people have trouble believing this. It was clearly a ceremonial role to simply soften the blow of effectively being fired. Schneider sounded downright giddy yesterday, and bringing back Carroll in any type of advisor capacity undermines Macdonald, who will be re-building this team in his own image. He had no role in the HC search. Maybe when he doesn't have a role in the draft, it'll become clearer what the role is and isn't.

 

[RiverDog]

like KJ said, there is no advisor role, he's gone.

I don't believe that for a second. Yes, Pete's clearly in the background, and he's not going to be hiding behind the curtains throwing switches and pulling levers. I doubt that you'll see him in the war room during the draft or doing any interviews that involve speaking on behalf of the franchise. He's even said so himself when he was asked about the HC search.

But he's still a valuable resource, especially for a young head coach like Mike Macdonald. I can see both him and JS asking Pete for his opinion quite often on a lot of matters. I know that I would if I were in their position. Why wouldn't they?

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

I think Pete, like Belichick, is doing his damnedest to find another active position on another team. It wasn't appropriate to have him there. Though maybe at some point seeing a friendly handshake "pass of the baton" will cool some of the tempers from folks that believe Pete got shafted.

It's interesting how folks stick to that line considering the rumors that Pete was talking retirement after last season anyway.

 

[Fade]

I don't believe that for a second. Yes, Pete's clearly in the background, and he's not going to be hiding behind the curtains throwing switches and pulling levers. I doubt that you'll see him in the war room during the draft or doing any interviews that involve speaking on behalf of the franchise. He's even said so himself when he was asked about the HC search.

But he's still a valuable resource, especially for a young head coach like Mike Macdonald. I can see both him and JS asking Pete for his opinion quite often on a lot of matters. I know that I would if I were in their position. Why wouldn't they?

Like what? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[RiverDog]

Like what? I'm genuinely curious.

Like whom to keep on their current staff and roster and who to let walk. Pete knows the coaches and players better than anyone else and certainly a lot better than Mac, so his input would be something that I'd want to hear.

 

[Fade]

I don't understand why people have trouble believing this. It was clearly a ceremonial role to simply soften the blow of effectively being fired. Schneider sounded downright giddy yesterday, and bringing back Carroll in any type of advisor capacity undermines Macdonald, who will be re-building this team in his own image. He had no role in the HC search. Maybe when he doesn't have a role in the draft, it'll become clearer what the role is and isn't.

Nope, unfortunately--they are never letting go.

They will manufacture ways to give credit to Pete. Buckle up. The stuff I've heard these last few weeks, and shoot, even some of the posts in this thread. Hahahahaha.

And you are correct about John, It's like he was stuck in a bad marriage for a longtime and finally was set free. He has never been that exuberant ever in a press conference, in 14 years. I thought he was going to do a cartwheel after announcing Mike Macdonald is the new HC and do a little jig on the desk to boot.

 

[Ruminator]

If Mike is interested, Pete could show him how to throw footballs at training camp.

 

[Fade]

If Mike is interested, Pete could show him how to throw footballs at training camp.

That's in the summertime. He will be busy cleaning Jody's pool.

 

[hoxrox]

That's in the summertime. He will be busy cleaning Jody's pool.

Come on dude. He'll be chillin' on his Maui beachfront property, while you wish you could have achieved as much personal and professional success as he's had in his life.

Your hate and disrespect is just obnoxious at this point.

 

[Welshers2]

Nope, unfortunately--they are never letting go.

Sounds way more like you. All you do is talk about him and he's gone. You seem very bitter.

 

[Fade]

Come on dude. He'll be chillin' on his Maui beachfront property, while you wish you could have achieved as much personal and professional success as he's had in his life.

Your hate and disrespect is just obnoxious at this point.

Lighten up. I'm not calling him anything derogatory.

And it's no where near the hate and disrespect I received over the years for merely pointing out the obvious that he was the problem in threads with great detail, football reasons, not personal.

Until I receive my flowers the jokes will continue.

 

[Wheetie]

I think if Pete wants to come back, he can. In what capacity? I can 100% see him organizing lectures to the team by outside resources... motivational speakers, influencers, etc' ... the non traditional stuff that grows and impacts players in other ways. Stopping in twice a year to inspire the guys ... and working with Mac to do it.

Or him just being a sounding board when John needs it.

My belief, without a shred of evidence at all, is that Schneider wants nothing to do with Pete Carroll in a business capacity moving forward. He's literally giddy now, you can tell, when he's in the spotlight. I think the chains have been removed and he's loving his freedom. Again, this is my take. I'd be floored if Carroll is anywhere near the team this coming year. Seeing your ex at a party when you're with your new date is always just awkward.

 

[Jac]

My belief, without a shred of evidence at all, is that Schneider wants nothing to do with Pete Carroll in a business capacity moving forward. He's literally giddy now, you can tell, when he's in the spotlight. I think the chains have been removed and he's loving his freedom. Again, this is my take. I'd be floored if Carroll is anywhere near the team this coming year. Seeing your ex at a party when you're with your new date is always just awkward.

This is exactly how I see it as well. But like you said, without any evidence posters can validly have a take on either side of this equation.

 

[RiverDog]

This is exactly how I see it as well. But like you said, without any evidence posters can validly have a take on either side of this equation.

That's just it. We're all speculating. Some of the comments in here are being stated as if they were fact.

 

[Fade]

Like whom to keep on their current staff and roster and who to let walk. Pete knows the coaches and players better than anyone else and certainly a lot better than Mac, so his input would be something that I'd want to hear.

Negative. If John and Mike need Pete's input on this, the Seahawks are in serious trouble.

Pete was stripped of his personnel powers for a reason, and gutted his staff for a reason.

Let's say you have an all time chef, but he's gotten old. He keeps burning the food. He used to be one of the best, but can't do it no more.

The new hire from one of the best culinary schools takes over. Is he honestly going to ask the guy who keeps burning the food for advice?

They took the keys from grandpa. It's over.

 

[Fade]

That's just it. We're all speculating. Some of the comments in here are being stated as if they were fact.

How many beat reporters that cover the team have to tell you he was fired before you believe it?

Is the better question.