I have heard a ton of negitive about waiting for the last second to snap the ball, so I get that side. But what is the reasons to wait? I could understand reading the D, but most if the time, Russ is getting under center with 2 seconds to go.
Hawks2022":f5bxu6xc said:I have heard a ton of negitive about waiting for the last second to snap the ball, so I get that side. But what is the reasons to wait? I could understand reading the D, but most if the time, Russ is getting under center with 2 seconds to go.
Fade":1lmr4hgi said:Hawks2022":1lmr4hgi said:I have heard a ton of negitive about waiting for the last second to snap the ball, so I get that side. But what is the reasons to wait? I could understand reading the D, but most if the time, Russ is getting under center with 2 seconds to go.
The negatives far outweigh the positives, outside of special circumstances, IMO.
But here is why Pete likes it.
It shortens the game. Why would he want to do this?
Less plays = less chance of injury, keep players fresher over the course of a long season. Every play is a car crash.
Less plays = harder to get blown out, you're pretty much guaranteed to be in the game in the 4th qtr.
Less plays = showing less plays on film, rope-a-dope, save them for a future opponent when you really need it. Even just try to win with your base stuff starting out. Show as little as you need to win the football game.
Less plays = with a strong running game, makes it to where you can play keep away from the opponent, making it hard for them to score a lot of points. This tied in with his no turnovers philosophy makes them really hard to beat. Especially if you can get a couple of turnovers from the opponent, then you're all but guaranteed victory.
Pete does a lot of things on the surface level that appears to be head-scratching, but there is a method to his madness. I see his perspective.
But it makes no sense if you have the better QB, though. This is why the Seahawks inevitably play down to bad teams, but at the same time hang with the best teams, rarely ever getting blown out, but rarely ever blowing the opponent out. Playing weird ass games, seemingly incapable of playing a "normal game."
They should be looking to give their QB every advantage, with full control and tempo at the LoS, trying to score early, and put pressure on the bad teams with inferior QB play to keep up, then have it snowball from there. Looking to run the clock out in the 2nd half with a three score lead. If the defense wasn't a dumpster fire in the 1st half of the season that is what you would've saw this last season. So Pete was starting to change.
Then Russ started pressing, feeling like he had to score every possession, to overcome the worst defense in NFL history up to that point. The turnovers happened, and Pete shut the whole thing down going back to the old way of doing things, what he knows, a formula he has had success with. But he won't win a playoff game ever again with that style, unless he has the LOB part 2. Which isn't likely. You can't play offense for 1.5 quarters against playoff teams that are playing offense for 4 quarters. You've seen the results over the last 5 seasons. One and done.
SoulfishHawk":3tkoyewu said:Would prefer they snap it between 15 and 10 from time to time. But, you're right, 5 seconds, cool. But consistently at 1 second or borderline no time on the clock? That has been old for years. Just stop.
Own The West":34p8hi40 said:It often looks like the huddle breaks late, the reads and adjustments come late, and it's a race to get the ball snapped. I don't like it because the defense gets to relax and only tense up for the last 5 seconds on the play clock. In some cases, they can fire on the play clock instead of movement, which is a major negative.
I'll tell you when we do rush to the line: when Russ' is going to hard count and try to draw them offsides. He's horrible at it and I can't remember a single time he's ever been successful. You can probably blame that on this last-seconditis as well.
John63":qgjehr15 said:SoulfishHawk":qgjehr15 said:Would prefer they snap it between 15 and 10 from time to time. But, you're right, 5 seconds, cool. But consistently at 1 second or borderline no time on the clock? That has been old for years. Just stop.
Actually 5 seconds not cool, gives little time for Qb or line to cll out lien schemes, possible blitzes, make changes etc etc. You want the team getting to the line with 15 seconds left so there is time for all that.
The trick here is that the offense will have many different plays out of the same formations and motions, whereas the defense has to adjust to what the offense is showing and tip their hands. This is a simplified example, but look at all of the options Oklahoma has with the counter trey here.I'm a fan of quick snap. Dont let the defense diagnose the play calls.
Fade":13itpqib said:Hawks2022":13itpqib said:I have heard a ton of negitive about waiting for the last second to snap the ball, so I get that side. But what is the reasons to wait? I could understand reading the D, but most if the time, Russ is getting under center with 2 seconds to go.
The negatives far outweigh the positives, outside of special circumstances, IMO.
But here is why Pete likes it.
It shortens the game. Why would he want to do this?
Less plays = less chance of injury, keep players fresher over the course of a long season. Every play is a car crash.
Less plays = harder to get blown out, you're pretty much guaranteed to be in the game in the 4th qtr.
Less plays = showing less plays on film, rope-a-dope, save them for a future opponent when you really need it. Even just try to win with your base stuff starting out. Show as little as you need to win the football game.
Less plays = with a strong running game, makes it to where you can play keep away from the opponent, making it hard for them to score a lot of points. This tied in with his no turnovers philosophy makes them really hard to beat. Especially if you can get a couple of turnovers from the opponent, then you're all but guaranteed victory.
Pete does a lot of things on the surface level that appears to be head-scratching, but there is a method to his madness. I see his perspective.
But it makes no sense if you have the better QB, though. This is why the Seahawks inevitably play down to bad teams, but at the same time hang with the best teams, rarely ever getting blown out, but rarely ever blowing the opponent out. Playing weird ass games, seemingly incapable of playing a "normal game."
They should be looking to give their QB every advantage, with full control and tempo at the LoS, trying to score early, and put pressure on the bad teams with inferior QB play to keep up, then have it snowball from there. Looking to run the clock out in the 2nd half with a three score lead. If the defense wasn't a dumpster fire in the 1st half of the season that is what you would've saw this last season. So Pete was starting to change.
Then Russ started pressing, feeling like he had to score every possession, to overcome the worst defense in NFL history up to that point. The turnovers happened, and Pete shut the whole thing down going back to the old way of doing things, what he knows, a formula he has had success with. But he won't win a playoff game ever again with that style, unless he has the LOB part 2. Which isn't likely. You can't play offense for 1.5 quarters against playoff teams that are playing offense for 4 quarters. You've seen the results over the last 5 seasons. One and done.
AgentDib":3q9bixmk said:For reference, here is the first half of our week 7 loss to Arizona.
Seconds left to snap
Drive 1: 4, 9, 9, 7, 24, 9 (TD)
Drive 2: 6, 9, 2, 13, 4, 2, 5, 16, 3, 7 (FG)
Drive 3: 6, 1, 11, 6, 22, 4, 6, 9 (FG)
Drive 4: 3, 9, 3, 5, 9 (INT)
Drive 5: 16, 15, 7, 22, 4, ?? (TD)
Drive 6: 5, 4, 11, 2 (TD)
We had the occasional issue but no worse than the typical NFL offense.
As a side note, our offense was looking great in this week 7 game until Carson left with the injury. He was clearly missed and we only managed 7 points in the second half.
ivotuk":11ogitac said:As much as it is a strategy, there are still too many, down to the wire, or delay of game/call time out instances.
For those, I blame Pete interfering. I"m sure the reason Schotty moved up to the booth was to get away from Pete. It didn't work.
Info below. Overall the offense was solid besides the one tipped INT which made the game look a lot closer than it was. The main source of concern was the difficulty we had running the ball after WFT adjusted in the fourth quarter. The play clock was not particularly an issue in this game.Fade":ysa9u9ut said:Now do @ WAS when they were in the midst of their neutered, play it safe offense.