Sherman Rumours

[Sgt. Largent]

We have Richard under contract for 3 years. He won't be right next year, and who knows how he'll be when he's 32+.

Sherman's a UFA next year, thus why he's being cut now. He's not in the plans for the rebuild, so no reason to keep him and his salary or disruptive personality.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... rman-7873/

 

[original poster]

I'm good with the move. I expect a growing pains type of season next year with the new staff, so it's a good time to cut payroll and grow your younger players into the system.

We have Richard under contract for 3 years. He won't be right next year, and who knows how he'll be when he's 32+?

Keeping him would be an expensive gamble if age or injury impedes a comeback, and if everything works out it only equates to a couple years of high level play.

His contract was set to expire after the 2018 season.

 

[HawkFan72]

First off Sherm isn't in his prime. Second we haven't cut him just yet, if we can't get some descent draft pick or picks in return, then I'm sure they will give an opportunity to take a pay cut, to play out this season and let him walk next year so the can get the comp pick in 2020. This is a business, we all loved the original LOB, but this is the NFL "Not For Long"
we carried to many of these guys to long into their career with extensions & high cap hits. If we stay @ 18 and land Derwin James, Josh Jackson or Isaiah Oliver. LOB 2.0 will be under way, especially if they keep ET and with Shaq Griffin proving he is legit. I don't expect us to a SB contender this year, but this has to be done with the Rams becoming lead dog, SF now appears to have a legit QB finally, and Zona a QB away from putting us at the bottom of our own division. I have stated this in other posts, but we built the original LOB with a bunch of young talent with chips on their shoulders ala Sherm, Chancellor & Browner none of which were high draft picks. Unlike the debacle of what Cable did with our Oline over the years. Pete knows how to coach up DB's & Safties. Better days ahead.

Please provide me with any proof sherm is in decline ?? I’ll wait . Keep in mind he played Hurt all season .. still ranked #12 corner ahead of guys like trufant, Norman , talib :yawn:

Exactly—#12 CB last year...and the Fourth highest-paid CB going into 2018...was hurt all last year and is coming off a major injury.

You answered your own question.

Lol yes that proved me so wrong, y’all nuts man

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

 

[Uncle Si]

If they thought he was going to come back 100 percent, this wouldn't even be a discussion. They must be nervous about paying a guy coming off surgery on BOTH Achilles too much of a risk at 11 mil. It sucks, but it's the reality of football. But hey, it was on Twitter, so is all must be true. Just like last year when he was going to be traded. Oh wait.....

This is pretty much it in my opinion.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Please provide me with any proof sherm is in decline ?? I’ll wait . Keep in mind he played Hurt all season .. still ranked #12 corner ahead of guys like trufant, Norman , talib :yawn:

Exactly—#12 CB last year...and the Fourth highest-paid CB going into 2018...was hurt all last year and is coming off a major injury.

You answered your own question.

Lol yes that proved me so wrong, y’all nuts man

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

So, Neiko Thorpe?

 

[HawkRiderFan]

I'm going to hold out hope that he comes back at a lower salary. Yeah probably a pretty naive thought.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Please provide me with any proof sherm is in decline ?? I’ll wait . Keep in mind he played Hurt all season .. still ranked #12 corner ahead of guys like trufant, Norman , talib :yawn:

Exactly—#12 CB last year...and the Fourth highest-paid CB going into 2018...was hurt all last year and is coming off a major injury.

You answered your own question.

Lol yes that proved me so wrong, y’all nuts man

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Exactly—#12 CB last year...and the Fourth highest-paid CB going into 2018...was hurt all last year and is coming off a major injury.

You answered your own question.

Lol yes that proved me so wrong, y’all nuts man

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

So, Neiko Thorpe?

All pro potential

 

[Lords of Scythia]

Sherm was never fast. His production comes from football intelligence. If he recovers he'll be just fine. I crapped myself when I saw this thread tittle. I'm glad dude was on crack. Sherm ain't goin' to no niners.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HawkFan72]

Exactly—#12 CB last year...and the Fourth highest-paid CB going into 2018...was hurt all last year and is coming off a major injury.

You answered your own question.

Lol yes that proved me so wrong, y’all nuts man

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

So, Neiko Thorpe?

He asked for proof that Sherman is in decline. Not for solutions about a replacement lol

I agree Sherman is the best option. He can still play. But to argue that he's not in decline is ludicrous. There are real reasons they are looking to dump his $11 million Cap hit.

 

[TwistedHusky]

No but he might go somewhere like LA.

Big media market, up and coming team, lots of exposure and the chance to stick it to Seattle + Carroll repeatedly?

You don't think he might take a bit less to go to a team where one of the weaknesses was the secondary, a weakness he could help fix?

 

[HawkFan72]

Exactly—#12 CB last year...and the Fourth highest-paid CB going into 2018...was hurt all last year and is coming off a major injury.

You answered your own question.

Lol yes that proved me so wrong, y’all nuts man

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

More deflecting now that your original point (that Sherman isn't in decline) is shown to be false.

If he does bounce back with another team, that team won't be paying him $11 million next year. Which is why Seattle is looking to dump his salary next year. No one is going to sign him on par with his current deal. Seattle would take him back for cheaper too, which they should if given the opportunity.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

So you'd extend Sherman coming off a major achilles tear? Because that's what you're saying if you want him to stay.

You're gonna pay a guy who's coming off a major injury another 3-4 years at 12M+ for a team that's rebuilding and desperately needs the cap space.

Why? So we can go 9-7 again?

I'm also pissed at John and Pete for trading picks and screwing over our cap last year going for broke. But it is what it is, and if we want to our cap right, Richard's gotta go...........cause he's not in the rebuild plans.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Lol yes that proved me so wrong, y’all nuts man

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

More deflecting now that your original point (that Sherman isn't in decline) is shown to be false.

If he does bounce back with another team, that team won't be paying him $11 million next year. Which is why Seattle is looking to dump his salary next year. No one is going to sign him on par with his current deal. Seattle would take him back for cheaper too, which they should if given the opportunity.

My original point still holds firm . Sherman is stil a top 5 cb period . So from one to now maybe fifth best, was he our best corner last year ???

 

[hawksincebirth]

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

So you'd extend Sherman coming off a major achilles tear? Because that's what you're saying if you want him to stay.

You're gonna pay a guy who's coming off a major injury another 3-4 years at 12M+ for a team that's rebuilding and desperately needs the cap space.

Why? So we can go 9-7 again?

I'm also pissed at John and Pete for trading picks and screwing over our cap last year going for broke. But it is what it is, and if we want to our cap right, Richard's gotta go...........cause he's not in the rebuild plans.

I would like the best corner we’ve ever had to retire a hawk. Of course I believe 12 million+ for sherm is too high in 2019 when he’d be ufa. I believe sherms situation is different than kams previous one

 

[Fanatics]

I should of saw this coming but I didn't. Especially when the FO came out and said that they are not looking to trade Sherman because he was coming off injury and the max value just would not be there. That should of threw red flags up as a reminder to the league, Sherman is still here and can be had.

It is for the best, with the full playing level recovery usually taking more than a year, 11M hit and UFA after the season...this is the time to move him. Hopefully it is in a trade, albeit probably a low pick but our FO has turned those into gold before. If he is cut, what a waste but I still understand.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

So you'd extend Sherman coming off a major achilles tear? Because that's what you're saying if you want him to stay.

You're gonna pay a guy who's coming off a major injury another 3-4 years at 12M+ for a team that's rebuilding and desperately needs the cap space.

Why? So we can go 9-7 again?

I'm also pissed at John and Pete for trading picks and screwing over our cap last year going for broke. But it is what it is, and if we want to our cap right, Richard's gotta go...........cause he's not in the rebuild plans.

So without sherm , kam, Bennett , jg, avril. This team will be better than 9-7? We will pick top 5 next year if we didn’t give that up in a horrible trade ? ukeface:

 

[beaumaris]

The rebuild era has begun. ET3 will be next. Thanks for everything Sherm you brought a winning attitude here and deserve to be in the ring of honor when your days are done. We dont win a super bowl without this guy. Good luck to wherever he goes next. Iam guessing the Raiders would gladly take him.

Winning attitude,and let's not forget his whining attitude. :lol:

 

[HawkFan72]

At this point you are just in denial. Stats declining (QB ratings against him going up and overall coverage grades going down), #4 paid CB despite not being a top 10 CB the last 2 years (by PFF ratings), the biggest cap savings of any Seahawks player if he's gone, and coming off a major injury.

We love Sherman and personally I would love him back. But refusing to believe his best days are behind him is not logical.

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

More deflecting now that your original point (that Sherman isn't in decline) is shown to be false.

If he does bounce back with another team, that team won't be paying him $11 million next year. Which is why Seattle is looking to dump his salary next year. No one is going to sign him on par with his current deal. Seattle would take him back for cheaper too, which they should if given the opportunity.

My original point still holds firm . Sherman is stil a top 5 cb period . So from one to now maybe fifth best, was he our best corner last year ???

Yes he was our best corner, but by what metric is Sherman still a Top 5 CB? If you are demanding proof he is in decline (which is easy to verify), what proof do you have he is a top 5 CB? You already said he was Top 12 and has been hurt the last 2 seasons.

How do you know how he'll perform coming off a major injury? No one knows how he'll perform this year. You think a 30 year old CB coming off 2 achilles surgeries is going to jump up at least 7 spots in the CB rankings?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

So you'd extend Sherman coming off a major achilles tear? Because that's what you're saying if you want him to stay.

You're gonna pay a guy who's coming off a major injury another 3-4 years at 12M+ for a team that's rebuilding and desperately needs the cap space.

Why? So we can go 9-7 again?

I'm also pissed at John and Pete for trading picks and screwing over our cap last year going for broke. But it is what it is, and if we want to our cap right, Richard's gotta go...........cause he's not in the rebuild plans.

So without sherm , kam, Bennett , jg, avril. This team will be better than 9-7? We will pick top 5 next year if we didn’t give that up in a horrible trade ? ukeface:

You didn't answer my question.

You're defending Sherman, and I get it, he COULD still be a good corner. But if you haven't noticed, we're in a total rebuild, so you either want to cut Sherman to save cap, or you plan on extending him to still be in the team after next year.

You just keep saying he's good, and maybe? But that's not looking at the future, or even talking about what a pain in the ass negative personality he's become to his coaches.

btw, we were already on the decline WITH these guys, to the tune of 9-7 last year. You think all of a sudden all these guys are going to get healthy, stay healthy AND we'll be back in the SB?

We may stink next year, we may stink in 2019. But if you're gonna rebuild, rebuild. No reason to keep an disgruntled cornerback on the decline around, AND pay him 12-15M a year.