Sherman Rumours

[HawkFan72]

I agree Sherman is the best option. He can still play. But to argue that he's not in decline is ludicrous. There are real reasons they are looking to dump his $11 million Cap hit.

It depends on whether you think he's declining towards Charles Woodson or towards Kelly Jennings. You pretty much said yourself that old Sherman is still better than half the CB's in the league.

Meanwhile, we have no replacement on the roster for him, not even a league average replacement; no second- or third-round picks in the draft; and a quickly diminishing amount of tradeable players we can use to recover one.

Thanks largely to the Duane Brown trade, this really was a bad time to get rid of people.

If CB was the last piece of the puzzle, I agree with you. But there are too many holes on the Seahawks to fill in one offseason. By the time those holes can be filled, Sherman won't be here anymore (at least not at a $11 million cap hit). And you could even say that Sherman's spot is already one of those holes because he is coming off such a serious injury that we cannot assume he will be able to play at a high level right away. We likely needed to look at a really good backup there even if he was coming back.

Why hang on to Sherman coming off serious injury when the team is going to be rebuilding at multiple spots? You have to take into account the seriousness of his injury. We don't know if he'll be better than half the CBs in this league in 2018. Many players never fully recover and those that do take almost a year to play at full strength (like an ACL). Sherman was injured in November.

That $11 million can sign a couple really good players that will make the team better overall. Sherman makes sense at a reduced price. But he will not earn his $11 million cap hit this year. Signing a decent CB to replace him and using the extra money to sign a good player to improve another position could end up making the team better this season. Better than a less than 100% Sherman for most of the year using up all the cap by himself, anyway.

If the Hawks believed they were a CB away from taking the division over and winning a SB, Sherman likely wouldn't go anywhere. But neither would Bennett. We are looking at a rebuild. The team has too many holes to fill in one year. But more of those holes can be filled this year without Sherman because of the cap room he creates (no cap penalties for being released). The largest cap relief of any player on the roster, in fact.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Easy name 5 corners you would take over Sherman right now ? Say he come back 100% ?
Maybe jalen Ramsey ? Peters no , trufant no .

A.J. Bouye

Chris Harris

Marcus Peters

Marshon Lattimore

Jalen Ramsey

Xavien Howard

Trevor Williams

Patrick Robinson

Patrick Peterson

Tre'Davious White

There is 10 that I would take right now while Sherman is on Crutches.

I said if Sherman could gt to 100% is there still 10?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sure wish they could at LEAST trade him for something.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Sherm has changed over the years. I don’t really like the player or person he has become. See ya!

 

[hawksincebirth]

Why use such a poor false analogy? It doesn't convince anyone of you being correct. Basketball and football are two vastly different sports, teams are built different. Sherman and Kobe are also vastly different players of substantially different worth to their respective organizations.

And also the fact that Kobe was never good again after his injury! And the Lakers were bottom feeders until he retired!

The lakers were a horrible team because they made 2 horrible trades for Nash and Howard. Hmmmm sounds familiar. Kobe could of left and went to Mia or gs and played good minutes and contributed easily to win more rings.. also injury at 29 and 39 very different

 

[HawkFan72]

Why use such a poor false analogy? It doesn't convince anyone of you being correct. Basketball and football are two vastly different sports, teams are built different. Sherman and Kobe are also vastly different players of substantially different worth to their respective organizations.

And also the fact that Kobe was never good again after his injury! And the Lakers were bottom feeders until he retired!

The lakers were a horrible team because they made 2 horrible trades for Nash and Howard. Hmmmm sounds familiar. Kobe could of left and went to Mia or gs and played good minutes and contributed easily to win more rings.. also injury at 29 and 39 very different

Kobe wasn't good after his injury either! You seem to be purposefully ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative. No other NBA team would have wanted him the last few years he played.

You are clinging to hypotheticals like "what is Sherman could get to 100% and play like he did in his prime" but that is not reality. There is no point debating miracle hypotheticals.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I am going to bet that the interest in Sherman once he is cut will be a lot less than he (or us) expects.

He'll have to take a one year prove it deal to show he can still play this year.

Cause yes, I doubt any team is going to give him a monster deal coming off his surgery. He's going to have to prove he's healthy, and more importantly can stay healthy and productive.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Why use such a poor false analogy? It doesn't convince anyone of you being correct. Basketball and football are two vastly different sports, teams are built different. Sherman and Kobe are also vastly different players of substantially different worth to their respective organizations.

And also the fact that Kobe was never good again after his injury! And the Lakers were bottom feeders until he retired!

Yes Kobe was not as a dynamic player but he still averaged 18 pts a game his final season.. above average for nba .. and Kobe was 38-39 vs 29

Ok are the odds better pete and co are able to completely rebuild this team in his last 3-4 years of coaching or Richard Sherman returns to being a elite defender ? I’d bet my mortgage that it’s the latter..
To your first point I’m not trying to convince anyone of their personal opinion of anything I’m just giving mine. Obviously football and basketball are different sports, and I fail to see how 2 generational players with the same injury is a poor analogy

 

[hawksincebirth]

Has this franchise coaching or f.o. Declined? Can we salary dump them ??

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Ok are the odds better pete and co are able to completely rebuild this team in his last 3-4 years of coaching or Richard Sherman returns to being a elite defender ? I’d bet my mortgage that it’s the latter..

And you could be right, but again it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep a player that won't stop being a pain in the ass AND paying him 12-15M a year while you're trying to rebuild.

Make no mistake, this is as much about getting rid of distractions and negativity as it is about clearing cap.

 

[Ad Hawk]

I said if Sherman could gt to 100% is there still 10?

100% of 2013 when he was 5 years younger? Or 100% at 30 years old now? He may be at top health by November of next year, but that's highly unlikely, and even if he was, he's not young any longer. Sorry, but 30 isn't going to cut it against faster, younger wide receivers, even with Sherm's intelligence.

Part of the problem here is that age starts working against a player, and future injuries become a greater possibility the older the he gets. Is that risk worth it?

Even at 100% this next year, $11,000,000 is too much to pay for him when the team is rebuilding. If he comes back for less, that would be fantastic.

But there's no way I would gamble on him with cap space as it is.

I would even take a younger, cheaper, less experienced corner not even on the above list if I knew as coach I could develop him into a quality starter.

 

[iigakusei]

I said if Sherman could gt to 100% is there still 10?

100% of 2013 when he was 5 years younger? Or 100% at 30 years old now? He may be at top health by November of next year, but that's highly unlikely, and even if he was, he's not young any longer. Sorry, but 30 isn't going to cut it against faster, younger wide receivers, even with Sherm's intelligence.

Part of the problem here is that age starts working against a player, and future injuries become a greater possibility the older the he gets. Is that risk worth it?

Even at 100% this next year, $11,000,000 is too much to pay for him when the team is rebuilding. If he comes back for less, that would be fantastic.

But there's no way I would gamble on him with cap space as it is.

I would even take a younger, cheaper, less experienced corner not even on the above list if I knew as coach I could develop him into a quality starter.

Now if we could only find a coach who could develop cornerbacks

 

[AROS]

Sorry if previously posted.

Seahawks Expected To Release Sherman This Week.

http://sports.mynorthwest.com/423041/se ... this-week/

 

[hawksincebirth]

Ok are the odds better pete and co are able to completely rebuild this team in his last 3-4 years of coaching or Richard Sherman returns to being a elite defender ? I’d bet my mortgage that it’s the latter..

And you could be right, but again it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep a player that won't stop being a pain in the ass AND paying him 12-15M a year while you're trying to rebuild.

Make no mistake, this is as much about getting rid of distractions and negativity as it is about clearing cap.

Here is where we find common ground. I can somewhat agree on the distractions and team chemistry angle. Some of the blame falls on Carroll , because it was ok for players to speak out against the commish and league, but now when the eggs on Carroll’s and bevs face its a distraction.. chicken or the egg.. and by the assistant coaching changes, sherm and co may very well have been spot on.

 

[hawksincebirth]

I said if Sherman could gt to 100% is there still 10?

100% of 2013 when he was 5 years younger? Or 100% at 30 years old now? He may be at top health by November of next year, but that's highly unlikely, and even if he was, he's not young any longer. Sorry, but 30 isn't going to cut it against faster, younger wide receivers, even with Sherm's intelligence.

Part of the problem here is that age starts working against a player, and future injuries become a greater possibility the older the he gets. Is that risk worth it?

Even at 100% this next year, $11,000,000 is too much to pay for him when the team is rebuilding. If he comes back for less, that would be fantastic.

But there's no way I would gamble on him with cap space as it is.

I would even take a younger, cheaper, less experienced corner not even on the above list if I knew as coach I could develop him into a quality starter.

Yes the logic is sound but we went from perennial super bowl contenders / potential dynasty to now in full rebuild ???
Pete should go to aswell no need to keep him. The blame lies squarely at him and johns feet.

 

[hawksincebirth]

SHERMAN IS ARGUABLY THE BEST CORNER OF ALL TIME... statistically. You do not just cut Deion Sanders in his prime

First off Sherm isn't in his prime. Second we haven't cut him just yet, if we can't get some descent draft pick or picks in return, then I'm sure they will give an opportunity to take a pay cut, to play out this season and let him walk next year so the can get the comp pick in 2020. This is a business, we all loved the original LOB, but this is the NFL "Not For Long"
we carried to many of these guys to long into their career with extensions & high cap hits. If we stay @ 18 and land Derwin James, Josh Jackson or Isaiah Oliver. LOB 2.0 will be under way, especially if they keep ET and with Shaq Griffin proving he is legit. I don't expect us to a SB contender this year, but this has to be done with the Rams becoming lead dog, SF now appears to have a legit QB finally, and Zona a QB away from putting us at the bottom of our own division. I have stated this in other posts, but we built the original LOB with a bunch of young talent with chips on their shoulders ala Sherm, Chancellor & Browner none of which were high draft picks. Unlike the debacle of what Cable did with our Oline over the years. Pete knows how to coach up DB's & Safties. Better days ahead.

Please provide me with any proof sherm is in decline ?? I’ll wait . Keep in mind he played Hurt all season .. still ranked #12 corner ahead of guys like trufant, Norman , talib :yawn:

Wow you appear to be on this Island all by yourself. None of us are saying Sherm "wasn't" great or hasn't put up great numbers or that he wasn't a key part to our SB runs. That said his best football is behind him. He already wasn't quick/fast now dealing with knee & achilles issues it is only going to get worse. Sherm has never been as valuable as say oh I don't know Revis, Talib or Peterson. Sherm was basically a one trick pony and only worked on the right side of the field, those other corners locked down the best receiver on the field every game. He was simply a product of a system in a great D. Maybe you have missed the games over the past couple years, maybe go back and look at the chargers, titans, Houston just to name a few. Sherm has become more & more a liability . He is no where near what his cap hit is. Sorry but a good CB that can only play one side of the field low versatility is not worth 13mil coming off his type of injuries dream on man. Now if he wants to restructure for 2 years for something like 7-8 mil per then maybe, and I only say that because we still have other holes to fill with the loss of Bam, Avril, Bennett. So he could work as a stop gap while we rebuild. Tell me this if Sherm was this All Pro you believe him to be, why when healthy last off season and was opened up to trade was he not swooped up by a team knocking on the door for a SB run? No one believes he is anywhere near a lock down CB, and now with injuries his value is even lower. You really need to stop with all this loyalty to these guys and become more a fan of the HAWKS not just a player. None of these jokers give a damn about us as fans or the Team that gave them a shot or coached them up to be the players they are today. All they care about is how much can they make. Look at what is going on with Beckam Jr & L Bell. Beckam really thinks he is worth QB money bwaaahaha yeah ok, & Bell wants 15 mil as a RB, what a joke. I understand taking care of you & your family, but if you played one season for 6 mil if that doesn't take care of you and your family for life, well then you are doing something wrong. These idiots signing 120 mil contracts for simply throwing or catching a football, saying they need to look out for their families, that is just ridiculous, they aren't concerned about us as fans or team.

I’m happy here on Sherman island

 

[Ad Hawk]

I said if Sherman could gt to 100% is there still 10?

100% of 2013 when he was 5 years younger? Or 100% at 30 years old now? He may be at top health by November of next year, but that's highly unlikely, and even if he was, he's not young any longer. Sorry, but 30 isn't going to cut it against faster, younger wide receivers, even with Sherm's intelligence.

Part of the problem here is that age starts working against a player, and future injuries become a greater possibility the older the he gets. Is that risk worth it?

Even at 100% this next year, $11,000,000 is too much to pay for him when the team is rebuilding. If he comes back for less, that would be fantastic.

But there's no way I would gamble on him with cap space as it is.

I would even take a younger, cheaper, less experienced corner not even on the above list if I knew as coach I could develop him into a quality starter.

Yes the logic is sound but we went from perennial super bowl contenders / potential dynasty to now in full rebuild ???
Pete should go to aswell no need to keep him. The blame lies squarely at him and johns feet.

If only because they kept players like Sherm around tooooooo long.

If they created a successful team at one point, they can do it again. Any blame must include props for success.

It will be much easier to find a new CB than for Paul Allen to find a successful coach and GM.

 

[hawksincebirth]

I said if Sherman could gt to 100% is there still 10?

100% of 2013 when he was 5 years younger? Or 100% at 30 years old now? He may be at top health by November of next year, but that's highly unlikely, and even if he was, he's not young any longer. Sorry, but 30 isn't going to cut it against faster, younger wide receivers, even with Sherm's intelligence.

Part of the problem here is that age starts working against a player, and future injuries become a greater possibility the older the he gets. Is that risk worth it?

Even at 100% this next year, $11,000,000 is too much to pay for him when the team is rebuilding. If he comes back for less, that would be fantastic.

But there's no way I would gamble on him with cap space as it is.

I would even take a younger, cheaper, less experienced corner not even on the above list if I knew as coach I could develop him into a quality starter.

Yes the logic is sound but we went from perennial super bowl contenders / potential dynasty to now in full rebuild ???
Pete should go to aswell no need to keep him. The blame lies squarely at him and johns feet.

If only because they kept players like Sherm around tooooooo long.

If they created a successful team at one point, they can do it again. Any blame must include props for success.

It will be much easier to find a new CB than for Paul Allen to find a successful coach and GM.

How about lousy drafts , bad trades, bad free agent pickups and bad coaching ... all of a sudden sherm is passed his prime
I seem to remember no one saying this before news of this broke ..
The problem with your solution is this front office is no longer capable of finding said talent. The last four years have proven this . Take away Cary Williams , harvin, lacy , Joke(ol) and so forth and we would not even be anywhere near the cap crunch we have now. Throw in brown and Sheldon too. We are in rebuild with no draft picks and no clear path to even rebuild. This is indefensible imo

 

[SoulfishHawk]

So easy to criticize the front office from the couch/computer.

 

[Uncle Si]

I said if Sherman could gt to 100% is there still 10?

100% of 2013 when he was 5 years younger? Or 100% at 30 years old now? He may be at top health by November of next year, but that's highly unlikely, and even if he was, he's not young any longer. Sorry, but 30 isn't going to cut it against faster, younger wide receivers, even with Sherm's intelligence.

Part of the problem here is that age starts working against a player, and future injuries become a greater possibility the older the he gets. Is that risk worth it?

Even at 100% this next year, $11,000,000 is too much to pay for him when the team is rebuilding. If he comes back for less, that would be fantastic.

But there's no way I would gamble on him with cap space as it is.

I would even take a younger, cheaper, less experienced corner not even on the above list if I knew as coach I could develop him into a quality starter.

Yes the logic is sound but we went from perennial super bowl contenders / potential dynasty to now in full rebuild ???
Pete should go to aswell no need to keep him. The blame lies squarely at him and johns feet.

Replacing 1-3 players is not "full rebuild"

My goodness...

The best player on the team is still on the team.