Seahawks reportedly make huge contract offer to Russell

[HansGruber]

Wilson's deal will be worth more than Rodgers. Both in average and bonus dollars.

To the doubters, let's bet on it. If I'm wrong, I'll buy you tickets to the game of your choice. If you're wrong, you buy me tickets. Who's in?

Further, I'm going to enjoy bringing up this topic after the deal is signed and we've won yet another superbowl. I'm going to track down these critics and I'm going to post their words for them. LOL.

You can call me a homer but it doesn't change the fact that Wilson is one of extremely few quarterbacks to be in 2 Superbowls in his first 3 seasons. And he'll get paid accordingly. And will be first ballot hall of fame. I don't doubt it for a second. I'm actually laughing at the clueless noobs acting as if that's no big deal.

 

[hawknation2015]

Wilson's deal will be worth more than Rodgers. Both in average and bonus dollars.

To the doubters, let's bet on it. If I'm wrong, I'll buy you tickets to the game of your choice. If you're wrong, you buy me tickets. Who's in?

Further, I'm going to enjoy bringing up this topic after the deal is signed and we've won yet another superbowl. I'm going to track down these critics and I'm going to post their words for them. LOL.

You can call me a homer but it doesn't change the fact that Wilson is one of extremely few quarterbacks to be in 2 Superbowls in his first 3 seasons. And he'll get paid accordingly. And will be first ballot hall of fame. I don't doubt it for a second. I'm actually laughing at the clueless noobs acting as if that's no big deal.

I am one of the people who has been saying for months that Wilson will get an offer to become the highest paid player in the league.

I just don't know yet whether he will accept that offer when it comes. The rumors are all over the place about him wanting closer to $30 million dollars a year, including this year's salary in his average, and having a nearly full guaranteed contract, which does not happen in the NFL. My wish would be for the team to keep his cap hits to 13% of less. Anything over $24 million per year would make it extremely difficult to remain competitive, IMO.

 

[Hawkpower]

Rushing TD stats for a QB are the basis for Wilson deserving Rodgers money?

They should definitely be part of it. If you have watched many Seahawks games in which Russell Wilson has led the comebacks, you would notice a specific trend - that comeback is often sparked by Wilson's ability to scramble out of the pocket and pickup the required yards, first downs, or scores with his feet. In fact, when I think of Wilson-led comebacks, I often picture his repeated scrambles for first downs in the last minute of the game, keeping an eventual game-winning drive alive.

And yes, as time goes on (Manning getting older) other QB's do take the mantle. Thats how it works. Rodgers being the best QB in the game is pretty unanimous.

Well, until he goes to the playoffs, of course. Or, if he's playing an NFC West defense. Then he turns into garbage statistically, and his team's record shows that.

You think the Seahawks won the NFC Championship game because Wilson was a better QB than Rodgers?

Most definitely. How many times was Rodgers gifted the ball in Seahawks territory? And how often was GB able to convert those drives into points?

Further, last I checked, it was Russell Wilson's ability to lead driving scores late in the game that led to us even having a chance at a comeback. Of course, you'll find some way to discount that.

I love Wilson, but the hawks won that game in spite of him, not because of him. Rodgers has a nice supporting cast, but he would drool to have the same roster that Wilson does.

This is where I question if you're actually a real football fan. You're going to seriously state that GB has a worse offense than Seattle? LOL. That speaks volumes.

In fact, as long as we are using your logic, if Wilson was "elite" or even in the same category as Tom Brady wouldnt he have been able to edge out Brady for the Super Bowl? He couldnt do it.....

In fact, he did what was required to win that game. He doesn't get to choose the play calls.

That logic doesnt work well, does it?

The problem with your "logic" is that anyone who's been watching the Seahawks for a few years immediately realizes how wrong all your points are. I can think of very few QBs in the NFL who have been weaker against the Seahawks and the rest of the NFCW (and weaker in the postseason) than the Packers. I laugh every time the pundits declare they will win the next Superbowl. We hear it every year, and yet, every year they choke it up in the postseason. The Packers, and specifically Aaron Rodgers, are absolute garbage against quality defenses.

But yeah, he got you a ton of fantasy points last season, and me too. I wish he could have done that when it mattered, and against quality teams. It would have netted me a fantasy championship. Luckily, I play in a 2-QB league and Russell Wilson was my other QB. Wilson absolutely crushed it in fantasy last season, picking me up 50 points on the championship game. It was actually Rodgers' poor performance that cost me in the end.

Lol...well you typed alot of stuff there, and some of it probably has good merit. Other parts, not so much.

I do want to clarify though that I stated Seattle has a better ROSTER than GB, which they do. Yes, Rodgers would drool to play on our roster, as would any QB in this league. 2 TD's and field goal gets you a win 90 percent of the time with this defense. Hand it off to one of the top 3 RB's in the league.

Wilson will do well to remember that through this process. I see the narrative here that we cant just plug and play any old QB. Maybe not. But Wilson cant just plug in any old roster around him and be a Super Bowl winning QB either.

Both sides need each other. Which is why I believe rational heads will eventually prevail.

Yeah, who needs facts and stuff. I'm sure Wilson's agent and the rest of the NFL will discount 2 SBs in 3 seasons. That was the defense doing it all. Never mind that out was defense that cost us the losses in both postseasons, after Wilson put us in position to win it all. We only won those games because of defense, right?

Oh and everyone knows it was offense that won GB's only SB appearance with Rodgers. Not that defense.

The reason you can't argue any real points is that you don't have any. Your logic is self-conflicting.

And trust me, no GM in the NFL agrees with you. Every team in the league with a need at QB would gladly pay Wilson more than Rodgers. You don't want to accept that so you've made up these mental acrobatics that are frankly humorous. It doesn't matter. Wilson will get paid more than Rodgers and will retire with more rings. GB folds under pressure and Rodgers is unable to carry that team past the NFCW or any other quality defense.

I literally disagree with every singe thing you just typed.

And I usually enjoy your posts, so I guess I will just rack this up to agreeing to disagree entirely. It happens.

 

[HansGruber]

Rushing TD stats for a QB are the basis for Wilson deserving Rodgers money?

They should definitely be part of it. If you have watched many Seahawks games in which Russell Wilson has led the comebacks, you would notice a specific trend - that comeback is often sparked by Wilson's ability to scramble out of the pocket and pickup the required yards, first downs, or scores with his feet. In fact, when I think of Wilson-led comebacks, I often picture his repeated scrambles for first downs in the last minute of the game, keeping an eventual game-winning drive alive.

And yes, as time goes on (Manning getting older) other QB's do take the mantle. Thats how it works. Rodgers being the best QB in the game is pretty unanimous.

Well, until he goes to the playoffs, of course. Or, if he's playing an NFC West defense. Then he turns into garbage statistically, and his team's record shows that.

You think the Seahawks won the NFC Championship game because Wilson was a better QB than Rodgers?

Most definitely. How many times was Rodgers gifted the ball in Seahawks territory? And how often was GB able to convert those drives into points?

Further, last I checked, it was Russell Wilson's ability to lead driving scores late in the game that led to us even having a chance at a comeback. Of course, you'll find some way to discount that.

I love Wilson, but the hawks won that game in spite of him, not because of him. Rodgers has a nice supporting cast, but he would drool to have the same roster that Wilson does.

This is where I question if you're actually a real football fan. You're going to seriously state that GB has a worse offense than Seattle? LOL. That speaks volumes.

In fact, as long as we are using your logic, if Wilson was "elite" or even in the same category as Tom Brady wouldnt he have been able to edge out Brady for the Super Bowl? He couldnt do it.....

In fact, he did what was required to win that game. He doesn't get to choose the play calls.

That logic doesnt work well, does it?

The problem with your "logic" is that anyone who's been watching the Seahawks for a few years immediately realizes how wrong all your points are. I can think of very few QBs in the NFL who have been weaker against the Seahawks and the rest of the NFCW (and weaker in the postseason) than the Packers. I laugh every time the pundits declare they will win the next Superbowl. We hear it every year, and yet, every year they choke it up in the postseason. The Packers, and specifically Aaron Rodgers, are absolute garbage against quality defenses.

But yeah, he got you a ton of fantasy points last season, and me too. I wish he could have done that when it mattered, and against quality teams. It would have netted me a fantasy championship. Luckily, I play in a 2-QB league and Russell Wilson was my other QB. Wilson absolutely crushed it in fantasy last season, picking me up 50 points on the championship game. It was actually Rodgers' poor performance that cost me in the end.

I swear, some fans homerism knows no bounds.

Yeah. Vick didn't get a massive deal for his running stats, right? Didn't even win a championship and still got top money, even with the whole NFL questioning his passing skills. Of course, Wilson is an even worse passer than Vick right? A worse character concern with less superbowl appearances.

Pfffffffft.

You're the one being a homer. You're so scared of Wilson getting paid that you've made up all these nonsense arguments that nobody involved in the contract talks cares about. But yeah, the realistic people who see what a SB win did for some rando in Baltimore are probably wrong to assume that Wilson's agent sees the same thing.

Yeah, Wilson is totally going to undervalue his historic statistics and postseason success because a handful of deluded "non homers" don't think he's as good as Rodgers. LOL. There's just no way that market economics will determine Wilson's value, sure.

I'm going to enjoy posting your crow when the deal is signed. Get your fork and knife ready.

 

[Hawkpower]

Rushing TD stats for a QB are the basis for Wilson deserving Rodgers money?

They should definitely be part of it. If you have watched many Seahawks games in which Russell Wilson has led the comebacks, you would notice a specific trend - that comeback is often sparked by Wilson's ability to scramble out of the pocket and pickup the required yards, first downs, or scores with his feet. In fact, when I think of Wilson-led comebacks, I often picture his repeated scrambles for first downs in the last minute of the game, keeping an eventual game-winning drive alive.

And yes, as time goes on (Manning getting older) other QB's do take the mantle. Thats how it works. Rodgers being the best QB in the game is pretty unanimous.

Well, until he goes to the playoffs, of course. Or, if he's playing an NFC West defense. Then he turns into garbage statistically, and his team's record shows that.

You think the Seahawks won the NFC Championship game because Wilson was a better QB than Rodgers?

Most definitely. How many times was Rodgers gifted the ball in Seahawks territory? And how often was GB able to convert those drives into points?

Further, last I checked, it was Russell Wilson's ability to lead driving scores late in the game that led to us even having a chance at a comeback. Of course, you'll find some way to discount that.

I love Wilson, but the hawks won that game in spite of him, not because of him. Rodgers has a nice supporting cast, but he would drool to have the same roster that Wilson does.

This is where I question if you're actually a real football fan. You're going to seriously state that GB has a worse offense than Seattle? LOL. That speaks volumes.

In fact, as long as we are using your logic, if Wilson was "elite" or even in the same category as Tom Brady wouldnt he have been able to edge out Brady for the Super Bowl? He couldnt do it.....

In fact, he did what was required to win that game. He doesn't get to choose the play calls.

That logic doesnt work well, does it?

The problem with your "logic" is that anyone who's been watching the Seahawks for a few years immediately realizes how wrong all your points are. I can think of very few QBs in the NFL who have been weaker against the Seahawks and the rest of the NFCW (and weaker in the postseason) than the Packers. I laugh every time the pundits declare they will win the next Superbowl. We hear it every year, and yet, every year they choke it up in the postseason. The Packers, and specifically Aaron Rodgers, are absolute garbage against quality defenses.

But yeah, he got you a ton of fantasy points last season, and me too. I wish he could have done that when it mattered, and against quality teams. It would have netted me a fantasy championship. Luckily, I play in a 2-QB league and Russell Wilson was my other QB. Wilson absolutely crushed it in fantasy last season, picking me up 50 points on the championship game. It was actually Rodgers' poor performance that cost me in the end.

I swear, some fans homerism knows no bounds.

Yeah. Vick didn't get a massive deal for his running stats, right? Didn't even win a championship and still got top money, even with the whole NFL questioning his passing skills. Of course, Wilson is an even worse passer than Vick right? A worse character concern with less superbowl appearances.

Pfffffffft.

You're the one being a homer. You're so scared of Wilson getting paid that you've made up all these nonsense arguments that nobody involved in the contract talks cares about. But yeah, the realistic people who see what a SB win did for some rando in Baltimore are probably wrong to assume that Wilson's agent sees the same thing.

Yeah, Wilson is totally going to undervalue his historic statistics and postseason success because a handful of deluded "non homers" don't think he's as good as Rodgers. LOL. There's just no way that market economics will determine Wilson's value, sure.

I'm going to enjoy posting your crow when the deal is signed. Get your fork and knife ready.

Why would a fan be scared of Wilson getting paid? And what crow, exactly, would that poster be eating? That doesnt even make sense.

And-Shouldnt a guy with "historic stats" asking for all world money, whos head and shoulders better than Rodgers at least make the Pro-Bowl?

You know, since you explained to me that all the NFL minds agree he is WAY better than Rodgers.

Guess not.......

 

[HansGruber]

Further, I doubt Wilson gets an extension this off-season. Very unlikely. Only because it makes it more difficult to resign BWags, and because the numbers don't make sense for the Seahawks.

But there is ZERO chance Wilson makes it to the open market. And zero chance he accepts less than top money.

Everyone saying otherwise is deluding themselves. Multiple superbowls + great character + true leader + setting the pace for everyone else + historic stats = #1 QB money. Period. Get used to it.

 

[hawknation2015]

Further, I doubt Wilson gets an extension this off-season. Very unlikely. Only because it makes it more difficult to resign BWags, and because the numbers don't make sense for the Seahawks.

But there is ZERO chance Wilson makes it to the open market. And zero chance he accepts less than top money.

Everyone saying otherwise is deluding themselves. Multiple superbowls + great character + true leader + setting the pace for everyone else + historic stats = #1 QB money. Period. Get used to it.

You have that backwards. Russell's refusal to sign an extension will make it more difficult to sign Wagner, because there is uncertainty about how much we will need to dedicate to Wilson's contract going forward. If Wilson would sign a deal, then we would know for sure how much we have left to work with.

The exclusive tag for next year is currently over $25 million, over 15% of the cap. But if we use the non-exclusive tag, then that gives Wilson and his agent an opportunity to sign a cap-killing deal with another team that we would have to decide whether to match.

 

[HansGruber]

The Seahawks and Wilson both already know he'll be making $25m/yr avg over life of deal, with about 50-75% guaranteed. Anything less is Wilson giving Seattle a discount. There are 15 other owners and GMs ready to write that check tomorrow.

Allowing Wilson to get to free agency, even restricted, costs the Seahawks an extra $1-2m/yr because there are other teams willing to pay that. The Seahawks can't afford to let Wilson get to market and his agent knows that.

Further, the deluded homers I'm talking about are the Seahawk fans who think Wilson will accept less than 25m/yr avg money. If you seriously believe that, please share what you're smoking. I want some.

 

[HansGruber]

Further, Wilson will be the cornerstone of our offense for years to come. Forget about big name receivers or backs from here on out. Say goodbye to mediocre Okung. We don't need any of that. Russell Wilson immediately turns a mediocre run game with a 700 yard/season back into a 1600-yd rush offense. We'll be doing what Carroll did at USC - committee of stout backs sharing lots of runs.

All the rest of our cap will be on defense. They've already said publicly that's the vision. And they'll make it happen.

NE has been using that formula to dominate for years. Rookies all over on offense, a bunch of TEs and journeyman RBs, and a bunch of money wrapped up on defense. They ignored the critics, spent coin on some vets in the secondary and won a championship. That's how you do it.

 

[Spin Doctor]

The Seahawks and Wilson both already know he'll be making $25m/yr avg over life of deal, with about 50-75% guaranteed. Anything less is Wilson giving Seattle a discount. There are 15 other owners and GMs ready to write that check tomorrow.

Allowing Wilson to get to free agency, even restricted, costs the Seahawks an extra $1-2m/yr because there are other teams willing to pay that. The Seahawks can't afford to let Wilson get to market and his agent knows that.

Further, the deluded homers I'm talking about are the Seahawk fans who think Wilson will accept less than 25m/yr avg money. If you seriously believe that, please share what you're smoking. I want some.

Tell me again why you think Wilson is worth 25 million a year? Especially to the Seahawks whom are near the bottom of the NFL in passing attempts. There was not one QB in the NFL paid 25 million dollars, in fact over the duration of the highest paid player in the NFL's contract (Rodgers) it averages out to about 20.4 million a year base, though last year he was paid around 23 million. So please, tell us again that we're smoking something good. Yes, he has won one superbowl, but he has done so on a team that is considered by many to be possibly a historically great team. His body of work is not enough to justify any team paying him 25 million a year, with 75 percent of his contract guaranteed.

Another thing worth mentioning is that Rodgers only has 54 million dollars guaranteed, which is a little less than 50% of the deal that he signed. Wilson is not going to get 75% of his contract guaranteed.

 

[LymonHawk]

Mint.

 

[scutterhawk]

Rodgers had the #2 defense in 2009 and 2010, he beat the #1 defense by DVOA the Pittsburgh Steelers to win his first SB. Rodgers had a good defense to win him a ring. Rodgers even stated that he doesn't even call his own plays, he even said that even Peyton Manning doesn't, so the perception of these elite QBs calling their own plays is false, and Wilson have been ridiculed because he doesn't.

"Well, Peyton doesn't do that," Rodgers said during a recent interview. "Nobody does that."

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packe ... er-will-he

Rodgers doesn't call his own plays. But he often changes the play at the line of scrimmage. It's staggering the difference between GB when it's at home vs away an that's the difference. When Rodgers can walk up to the LOS and change the play and use his hard counts it's not even fair to the defense.

Not fair to the Seahawks Defense? :stirthepot: (see NFCCG)
And as far as the "Also Ran" where is your PROOF?, there isn't any, that's where.
IF Wilson was playing for the Packers, he'd have Nelson to throw to, and a pair of legs that can scramble for multiple TD's Rodgers doesn't. +, Rodgers would see his hits, rushes & sack numbers go ape shit on him, ESPECIALLY with the Run First concept that the Seahawks utilize.

 

[scutterhawk]

The Seahawks and Wilson both already know he'll be making $25m/yr avg over life of deal, with about 50-75% guaranteed. Anything less is Wilson giving Seattle a discount. There are 15 other owners and GMs ready to write that check tomorrow.

Allowing Wilson to get to free agency, even restricted, costs the Seahawks an extra $1-2m/yr because there are other teams willing to pay that. The Seahawks can't afford to let Wilson get to market and his agent knows that.

Further, the deluded homers I'm talking about are the Seahawk fans who think Wilson will accept less than 25m/yr avg money. If you seriously believe that, please share what you're smoking. I want some.

Tell me again why you think Wilson is worth 25 million a year? Especially to the Seahawks whom are near the bottom of the NFL in passing attempts.

Pick me!, Pick me! Hans, I can answer that question.
Read this response twice if you don't get it the first time, as maybe it will sink in the second time around.
BECAUSE Wilson is a big part of the Running Game that the Seahawks utilize....Marshawn Lynch is a monster RB, and is in the top 100, but the Seahawks Running game has a Quarterback that added scads of Yardage to help put them get into the very top, AND, moving the ball down the field is the lowest common denominator.
It don't matter if it's in the air, or on the ground, Wilson ( with his athleticism) is a big part of why they have been to two consecutive Super Bowls.
No super stud Receivers, no world class TE's (until JG), and W/O super stud Receivers, all Wilson has done is - PRODUCE.
Sure, it's nice to cherry pick Aaron Rodgers passing stats in GB to conjure up for an argument of why some people believe that Rodgers could & would flourish with the Seahawks O-Line in front of him, but that's all make believe.
Here's a little piece of what if for ya to digest...AR got hurt last Year with GB's O-Line protecting him....You still believe that he'd still be as prolific as a passer with the Seahawks O-Line, and no J. Nelson to help him out?... Yeah...Me neither.

 

[HansGruber]

The Seahawks and Wilson both already know he'll be making $25m/yr avg over life of deal, with about 50-75% guaranteed. Anything less is Wilson giving Seattle a discount. There are 15 other owners and GMs ready to write that check tomorrow.

Allowing Wilson to get to free agency, even restricted, costs the Seahawks an extra $1-2m/yr because there are other teams willing to pay that. The Seahawks can't afford to let Wilson get to market and his agent knows that.

Further, the deluded homers I'm talking about are the Seahawk fans who think Wilson will accept less than 25m/yr avg money. If you seriously believe that, please share what you're smoking. I want some.

Tell me again why you think Wilson is worth 25 million a year? Especially to the Seahawks whom are near the bottom of the NFL in passing attempts. There was not one QB in the NFL paid 25 million dollars, in fact over the duration of the highest paid player in the NFL's contract (Rodgers) it averages out to about 20.4 million a year base, though last year he was paid around 23 million. So please, tell us again that we're smoking something good. Yes, he has won one superbowl, but he has done so on a team that is considered by many to be possibly a historically great team. His body of work is not enough to justify any team paying him 25 million a year, with 75 percent of his contract guaranteed.

Another thing worth mentioning is that Rodgers only has 54 million dollars guaranteed, which is a little less than 50% of the deal that he signed. Wilson is not going to get 75% of his contract guaranteed.

There is this concept in economics called "Supply and Demand". Whereby, the value of something is determined by what the market will pay, as well as by its rarity.

There are 16 NFL teams that would be THRILLED to pay Russell Wilson $25m/yr over a 6-yr deal AND give him 50-75% guaranteed. That is ALL that matters. All these silly comparisons to Rodgers are totally pointless.

No owner or GM is sitting around arguing Rodgers vs Wilson stats or anything else. Owners like Dan Snyder would think about ticket sales and merchandising, raising their PSLs by 20%, selling out season tickets for the life of that deal, and they're going to jump at that opportunity. In fact, Snyder would be out there offering Wilson $27m/yr with 80% guaranteed, if the opportunity was there.

So that is Wilson's market. And Wilson's agent is very aware of it. There's no way Wilson signs a deal significantly lower than he'd get on the open market. And what he would get on the open market would be the largest deal in NFL history.

 

[LymonHawk]

^^^^^^^^^

There is also something called "Endorsement Money." IIRC: People last year were talking about RW making 8-10 Mil a year in endorsements.

If RW were to play for WA or Cleveland, let's say, I seriously doubt he would make that kind of money in endorsements. Unless of course, you believe RW would make those teams into a perennial SB contenders. Myself, I doubt that. Would he make them better teams then they are now? Probably. But perennial powerhouses? That I would doubt.

How many times have we seen terrific QBs, in mediocre organizations, never win a SB? Dan Marino comes to mind. (And check out Marino's passing records in his first few years.)

IMO: I do not believe he would make more money in the long run playing for a sub par organization. YMMV.

 

[45Hawker]

There is this concept in economics called "Supply and Demand". Whereby, the value of something is determined by what the market will pay, as well as by its rarity.

There are 16 NFL teams that would be THRILLED to pay Russell Wilson $25m/yr over a 6-yr deal AND give him 50-75% guaranteed. That is ALL that matters. All these silly comparisons to Rodgers are totally pointless.

No owner or GM is sitting around arguing Rodgers vs Wilson stats or anything else. Owners like Dan Snyder would think about ticket sales and merchandising, raising their PSLs by 20%, selling out season tickets for the life of that deal, and they're going to jump at that opportunity. In fact, Snyder would be out there offering Wilson $27m/yr with 80% guaranteed, if the opportunity was there.

So that is Wilson's market. And Wilson's agent is very aware of it. There's no way Wilson signs a deal significantly lower than he'd get on the open market. And what he would get on the open market would be the largest deal in NFL history.

You state many opinions as fact. So much that I don't know if you're forgetting a /sarc tag or trolling.

Anyways. Regarding the bold above: Maybe I lack understanding or reading comprehension skills, but you seem to be ignoring a constraint that all owners have: The salary cap. So Dan Synder raises PSL's - so what? He's still limited by the cap, right? What am I missing?

IMO, all owners can afford to pay a single player $27m/yr year. The question is, is the player worth $27m/yr at the expense of quality players and depth on the rest of the team? And, that's why the comparisons to Rodgers comes into the conversations.

 

[ptisme]

Rodgers had the #2 defense in 2009 and 2010, he beat the #1 defense by DVOA the Pittsburgh Steelers to win his first SB. Rodgers had a good defense to win him a ring. Rodgers even stated that he doesn't even call his own plays, he even said that even Peyton Manning doesn't, so the perception of these elite QBs calling their own plays is false, and Wilson have been ridiculed because he doesn't.

"Well, Peyton doesn't do that," Rodgers said during a recent interview. "Nobody does that."

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packe ... er-will-he

Rodgers doesn't call his own plays. But he often changes the play at the line of scrimmage. It's staggering the difference between GB when it's at home vs away an that's the difference. When Rodgers can walk up to the LOS and change the play and use his hard counts it's not even fair to the defense.

Not fair to the Seahawks Defense? :stirthepot: (see NFCCG)
And as far as the "Also Ran" where is your PROOF?, there isn't any, that's where.
IF Wilson was playing for the Packers, he'd have Nelson to throw to, and a pair of legs that can scramble for multiple TD's Rodgers doesn't. +, Rodgers would see his hits, rushes & sack numbers go ape shit on him, ESPECIALLY with the Run First concept that the Seahawks utilize.

It's amazing the amount of misinformation you were able to fit in one paragraph...
1. "see NFCCG". My point was the Packers are a different team at home than away... Where did the NFCCG take place?
2. Everyone knows that Rodgers makes those receivers. There's no Dez Bryant playing for Green Bay. Name one Packer receiver that ever did anything after they left Green Bay?
3. Regarding the hits Rodgers would take if he left Green Bay: You are aware they had one of the worst Olines in the league until recently with regard to pass pro? Go look it up. Prior to last season GB was always in the top 10 for sacks allowed and I think was even number 2 in the league in 2012. Rodgers literally was getting killed prior to last season...You may recall the pressure Seattle was able to put on Rodgers a few years back in the (game which shall not be mentioned) vs the NFCCG?

 

[ptisme]

The Seahawks and Wilson both already know he'll be making $25m/yr avg over life of deal, with about 50-75% guaranteed. Anything less is Wilson giving Seattle a discount. There are 15 other owners and GMs ready to write that check tomorrow.

Allowing Wilson to get to free agency, even restricted, costs the Seahawks an extra $1-2m/yr because there are other teams willing to pay that. The Seahawks can't afford to let Wilson get to market and his agent knows that.

Further, the deluded homers I'm talking about are the Seahawk fans who think Wilson will accept less than 25m/yr avg money. If you seriously believe that, please share what you're smoking. I want some.

Tell me again why you think Wilson is worth 25 million a year? Especially to the Seahawks whom are near the bottom of the NFL in passing attempts.

Pick me!, Pick me! Hans, I can answer that question.
Read this response twice if you don't get it the first time, as maybe it will sink in the second time around.
BECAUSE Wilson is a big part of the Running Game that the Seahawks utilize....Marshawn Lynch is a monster RB, and is in the top 100, but the Seahawks Running game has a Quarterback that added scads of Yardage to help put them get into the very top, AND, moving the ball down the field is the lowest common denominator.
It don't matter if it's in the air, or on the ground, Wilson ( with his athleticism) is a big part of why they have been to two consecutive Super Bowls.
No super stud Receivers, no world class TE's (until JG), and W/O super stud Receivers, all Wilson has done is - PRODUCE.
Sure, it's nice to cherry pick Aaron Rodgers passing stats in GB to conjure up for an argument of why some people believe that Rodgers could & would flourish with the Seahawks O-Line in front of him, but that's all make believe.
Here's a little piece of what if for ya to digest...AR got hurt last Year with GB's O-Line protecting him....You still believe that he'd still be as prolific as a passer with the Seahawks O-Line, and no J. Nelson to help him out?... Yeah...Me neither.

First off, the strained calf had nothing to do with the offensive line. He pulled it on the crap field in Tampa with no defender around him. Secondly, if Rodgers came to Seattle you'd have a bunch of guys most people outside of Seattle never heard of, leading the league in receptions and touchdowns....

 

[ptisme]

The Seahawks and Wilson both already know he'll be making $25m/yr avg over life of deal, with about 50-75% guaranteed. Anything less is Wilson giving Seattle a discount. There are 15 other owners and GMs ready to write that check tomorrow.

Allowing Wilson to get to free agency, even restricted, costs the Seahawks an extra $1-2m/yr because there are other teams willing to pay that. The Seahawks can't afford to let Wilson get to market and his agent knows that.

Further, the deluded homers I'm talking about are the Seahawk fans who think Wilson will accept less than 25m/yr avg money. If you seriously believe that, please share what you're smoking. I want some.

Tell me again why you think Wilson is worth 25 million a year? Especially to the Seahawks whom are near the bottom of the NFL in passing attempts. There was not one QB in the NFL paid 25 million dollars, in fact over the duration of the highest paid player in the NFL's contract (Rodgers) it averages out to about 20.4 million a year base, though last year he was paid around 23 million. So please, tell us again that we're smoking something good. Yes, he has won one superbowl, but he has done so on a team that is considered by many to be possibly a historically great team. His body of work is not enough to justify any team paying him 25 million a year, with 75 percent of his contract guaranteed.

Another thing worth mentioning is that Rodgers only has 54 million dollars guaranteed, which is a little less than 50% of the deal that he signed. Wilson is not going to get 75% of his contract guaranteed.

There is this concept in economics called "Supply and Demand". Whereby, the value of something is determined by what the market will pay, as well as by its rarity.

There are 16 NFL teams that would be THRILLED to pay Russell Wilson $25m/yr over a 6-yr deal AND give him 50-75% guaranteed. That is ALL that matters. All these silly comparisons to Rodgers are totally pointless.

No owner or GM is sitting around arguing Rodgers vs Wilson stats or anything else. Owners like Dan Snyder would think about ticket sales and merchandising, raising their PSLs by 20%, selling out season tickets for the life of that deal, and they're going to jump at that opportunity. In fact, Snyder would be out there offering Wilson $27m/yr with 80% guaranteed, if the opportunity was there.

So that is Wilson's market. And Wilson's agent is very aware of it. There's no way Wilson signs a deal significantly lower than he'd get on the open market. And what he would get on the open market would be the largest deal in NFL history.

This sums this up perfectly. :th2thumbs:

 

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There is also something called "Endorsement Money." IIRC: People last year were talking about RW making 8-10 Mil a year in endorsements.

If RW were to play for WA or Cleveland, let's say, I seriously doubt he would make that kind of money in endorsements. Unless of course, you believe RW would make those teams into a perennial SB contenders. Myself, I doubt that. Would he make them better teams then they are now? Probably. But perennial powerhouses? That I would doubt.

How many times have we seen terrific QBs, in mediocre organizations, never win a SB? Dan Marino comes to mind. (And check out Marino's passing records in his first few years.)

IMO: I do not believe he would make more money in the long run playing for a sub par organization. YMMV.

And to further this point: If he left and didn't produce elsewhere like he did in Seattle, he would be cut before seeing all the money... There's little doubt, barring injury, he would be in Seattle collecting all that money the entire length of the contract. Leaving is taking an unnecessary risk for Wilson IMO....