Seahawks reportedly make huge contract offer to Russell

[BlueTalon]

I know what I don't know, and I'm OK with that. I just wish others (media, "inside sources") would be as honest about knowing what they don't know.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

By the way, via Trotter, Rogers is in Seattle this week for face to face meetings.

Good sign!

I would agree. No point meeting in person if you aren't somewhat close.

This is a case of both parties knowing they are better off with one another but want the best deal for themselves. My guess is that they come to a deal before the regular season and that Wagner's deal is already done and just waiting to know how it will be structured each year based on RW's contract.

 

[lsheldon]

I thought these were interesting:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/gua ... ar-AAdywtq

According to NFL Network, Wilson has not turned down any contract offer from the Seahawks, contrary to published reports, and negotiations are ongoing focused on the amount of guaranteed money in the deal.

http://www.sportsxchange.com/tsxfiles/? ... _id=110849

With the Seattle Seahawks reportedly offering quarterback Russell Wilson a multi-year contract worth nearly $21 million per season, NFL Media's Ian Rapoport reported that Wilson has yet to outright turn down an offer from the team.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Wilson wants to get paid on wins INSTEAD his actual stats like every other player is judged . When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period. The fact that there even entertaining the idea of giving him more money than Rogers is a huge sign of respect from Seattle . It's obvious the Seahawks will not give him 25 million a year though nor should they .

 

[WilsonMVP]

Because it's Minnesota, with them it doesn't have to make sense. Also the second coming of Fran would be a huge Marketing tool. Hey they went and got Brett.

Because they had Tarvaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte :lol:

The roster was pretty good outside QB and the window was open

Right now it makes no sense they would even care about Wilson. Teddy is only 22 and just like Wilson he gets to actually be the number 1 during the offseason after being thrown to the wolves his rookie year. Unlike Wilson he had an average D(HISTORICALLY BAD the previous year), new schemes, new coaching and half the offense injured.

Once he finally got into the grove he was pretty good at the end of the season. If you throw out his first 4 games while he was being thrown in there, he had a 92 QB rating with worse offensive teammates than Wilson had. Even for the season he had a 85 QB rating which is better than Lucks rookie year and only 2 lower than Lucks 2nd year.

Also since he was a first round pick they get a 5th year option.

I like both Teddy and Wilson. Two favorite QBs to watch. Going to be exciting to watch both this upcoming year

 

[BlueTalon]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

 

[BlueTalon]

I want to see the 16 teams you speak of, I think it would be closer to maybe 8.

Buffalo
Cleveland
Jacksonville
St Louis
Tampa Bay
New York Jets
Minnesota
Houston

Thats off the top of my head, now cap room and right offense and how he would fit I think may reduce that further. He needs a OC that would adjust to him and his skill set not expect him to fit into a cookie cutter situation, thats a big issue. He has that here.

Meh, I could see Kansas City and Philadelphia among others on that list easily.

I wouldn't be surprised if San Francisco and Arizona were on the list.

 

[hawkfannj]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

Just curious to know what kinda system we have . Great defense run the ball panic run around offense blame everything on WRs kinda system? :1: come on give us Rodgers and see what kinda "system" we have

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Wilson's not going anywhere people he's under contract and if he plays well again this year he will be franchised next year if he doesn't sign it's that simple. Is it possible that Wilson and Seattle have a falling out if he doesn't sign before the start of the regular season , yes anything is possible he could get hurt he could have a down year or he could play great and make more money but there's far more risk on Wilson's side that's why the consensus is he will sign .

 

[hawkfannj]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

Just curious to know what kinda system we have . Great defense run the ball panic run around offense blame everything on WRs kinda system? :1: come on give us Rodgers and see what kinda "system" we have

IMHO he is not even close to Rodgers like light years away

 

[Basis4day]

Wilson wants to get paid on wins INSTEAD his actual stats like every other player is judged . When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period. The fact that there even entertaining the idea of giving him more money than Rogers is a huge sign of respect from Seattle . It's obvious the Seahawks will not give him 25 million a year though nor should they .

When factoring in rushing yards, the total yards of offense attributable to Wilson are comparable to the yards of the top volume passers in the NFL.

 

[hawkfannj]

Wilson's not going anywhere people he's under contract and if he plays well again this year he will be franchised next year if he doesn't sign it's that simple. Is it possible that Wilson and Seattle have a falling out if he doesn't sign before the start of the regular season , yes anything is possible he could get hurt he could have a down year or he could play great and make more money but there's far more risk on Wilson's side that's why the consensus is he will sign .

Our perfect scenario is that he plays out his rookie contract! And with the addition of Jimmy Graham there is zero I mean Nada not an inkling of an excuse that we don't have a wide receiver even though he is a tight end .Drew Brees gets him the ball quite often. And the way he wants to get paid he is saying he is better so I'd like to see that and am willing to roll the dice . Because if he sucks it up we going to get a great discount and he plays awesome he is worth the money. but as it stands right now he's not worth that kind of money to run around the broken plays aka backyard football

 

[byau]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

Just curious to know what kinda system we have . Great defense run the ball panic run around offense blame everything on WRs kinda system? :1: come on give us Rodgers and see what kinda "system" we have

IMHO he is not even close to Rodgers like light years away

I love Russell Wilson. Love his heart Love his mental and physical toughness. Love his big picture mindset. Love that he's the QB of my team. Super fun to watch. And he wins games.

Really though I think a big part is just a lot of emotional attachment to this guy being my team's QB, and finding the criteria and facts to back it up.

Trying to speak from a non-homerism distance, not sure how you can put Wilson above Rodgers. Per the other thread awhile back rating the QBs, I do think Russell is in the second tier of QBs behind Rodgers and Brady and possibly Manning. Somewhere in the #4 to #8 spot. I'd put him in that great second tier with Luck and Big Ben. Nothing to sneeze at.

 

[BlueTalon]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

Just curious to know what kinda system we have . Great defense run the ball panic run around offense blame everything on WRs kinda system? :1: come on give us Rodgers and see what kinda "system" we have

The kind of system where the QB had to run for his life so often. Seriously, put Rodgers behind our O-line last season, and his season comes to an end long before the rest of the NFL's season comes to an end.

Russell Wilson led the league in 3rd down rushing last year, IIRC. No way Rodgers does that, and no way we make it to the Super Bowl without those yards.

If you define a good QB only in terms of passing accuracy, defense recognition, and at-line adjustments, then sure, put Rodgers at the top. But a QB is never just those things -- a QB is the sum total of all his attributes. And the sum total of Russell Wilson's attributes got us to two Super Bowls.

 

[BlueThunder]

Everybody PLEASE keep in mind... He's just now entering year 4.

Year 1: Rookie. Year 2: Rookie with a year under his belt. Year 3: Putting year 1 and year 2 together. Year 4: Entering his "Prime" years.

We got 5 to 10 years of "Prime" with Russ that we haven't even seen yet. If Russ eventually becomes widely regarded as "Elite", the next few years will be the ones to put up or shut up.... He's still basically a kid. I am SO looking forward to this year because I think of it as year "ONE" of true 4th year "Vet" status.... The best is yet to come folks... At least that's what I am assuming. I, as well as all of you, hope that I'm right...

 

[Laloosh]

Everybody PLEASE keep in mind... He's just now entering year 4.

Year 1: Rookie. Year 2: Rookie with a year under his belt. Year 3: Putting year 1 and year 2 together. Year 4: Entering his "Prime" years.

We got 5 to 10 years of "Prime" with Russ that we haven't even seen yet. If Russ eventually becomes widely regarded as "Elite", the next few years will be the ones to put up or shut up.... He's still basically a kid. I am SO looking forward to this year because I think of it as year "ONE" of true 4th year "Vet" status.... The best is yet to come folks... At least that's what I am assuming. I, as well as all of you, hope that I'm right...

I do think a lot of people overlook or easily let that slip their mind. He was older than a lot of people coming out of college but for a guy entering his 4th year, that's a pretty impressive start.

 

[brimsalabim]

He is the same age as Cam Newton and a year older than Andy Lucky...26.

 

[Hawkpower]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

:34853_doh:

There is literally nobody, outside of maybe 3 guys here and of course Wilson himself who believes that.

Can we not say this anymore? It's so out of touch with reality.

 

[Hawkpower]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

Just curious to know what kinda system we have . Great defense run the ball panic run around offense blame everything on WRs kinda system? :1: come on give us Rodgers and see what kinda "system" we have

The kind of system where the QB had to run for his life so often. Seriously, put Rodgers behind our O-line last season, and his season comes to an end long before the rest of the NFL's season comes to an end.

Russell Wilson led the league in 3rd down rushing last year, IIRC. No way Rodgers does that, and no way we make it to the Super Bowl without those yards.

If you define a good QB only in terms of passing accuracy, defense recognition, and at-line adjustments, then sure, put Rodgers at the top. But a QB is never just those things -- a QB is the sum total of all his attributes. And the sum total of Russell Wilson's attributes got us to two Super Bowls.

Um, I would value passing accuracy, defensive recognition and at line adjustments juuuuuuust SLIGHTLY higher than scrambling skills when it comes to QB attributes. (BTW Rodgers moves pretty well himself)

Lets consider this: Does Wilson need to scramble all of the time if he can read defenses, make adjustments and get rid of the ball on a three step drop like Rodgers can? No. There isnt a coach in football who would rather have their QB running instead of passing. NONE. Our oline may struggle at times, but Wilson also holds the ball a long time. A long, long time,

 

[erik2690]

This is the wrong argument though. Whether Russ is better than Rodgers is not really what they are debating on this contract. Cap has risen and continues to rise so that's 1 thing. I think Rodgers is another level from most everyone at the moment. That's not how you get a player asking to be highest paid though. You get that from a combination of Cam's deal, timing and cap rising. More importantly it doesn't even sound like this is what the holdup is. It sounds from all reports that APY is closer to settled at ~20-22 and the debate is about g'teed and up-front money. I just think Rodgers vs. Wilson is pretty tangential to the contract talks at this point.