Scruggs?

[Renohawk]

I notice him on the PUP, does anyone know a time table of his return or is he pretty much out for the year?

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Pretty sure he is out for the season. (Torn ACL).

 

[Obie]

we could have really used a scruggs right now too

 

[sutz]

Pretty sure he is out for the season. (Torn ACL).

If so, wouldn't they IR him? PUP indicates a possibility of return after 6 weeks.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

Pretty sure he is out for the season. (Torn ACL).

If so, wouldn't they IR him? PUP indicates a possibility of return after 6 weeks.

Didnt want him to be subject to waivers. Still 2 years of club control after this. He showed enough that someone would grab him. I think if we carry him on pup, we can choose to IR him at week 6 etc, without subjecting him to waivers.

 

[McGruff]

I don't think IR subjects him to waivers.

 

[sutz]

Pretty sure he is out for the season. (Torn ACL).

If so, wouldn't they IR him? PUP indicates a possibility of return after 6 weeks.

Didnt want him to be subject to waivers. Still 2 years of club control after this. He showed enough that someone would grab him. I think if we carry him on pup, we can choose to IR him at week 6 etc, without subjecting him to waivers.

What does IR have to do with waivers? That's only if we release him. IR, he's still under contract for rehab purposes. Methinks your thinking of an injury release move.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

I don't think IR subjects him to waivers.

It does. He would be released with the waived/injured designation.

 

[Basis4day]

Since he was injured before the training camp he was put on preseason PUP. They then moved him to regular season PUP which allows for return after six weeks in the regular season. Only players that are on Preseason PUP are eligible for regular season PUP. It has the same effect, in that the player can't practice and doesn't take up a roster spot.

The benefit is that by placing him on PUP, he could return if there was a miracle cure after 6 weeks and the team can still choose to place him on IR if hes out for the year.

It's always in a teams benefit to keep truly injured players in the preseason pup if they have serious injuries and move them to regular season PUP just in case.

 

[Basis4day]

I don't think IR subjects him to waivers.

It does. He would be released with the waived/injured designation.

Incorrect. Waived/Injured and Injured reserve are two different things. Google it.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

I don't think IR subjects him to waivers.

It does. He would be released with the waived/injured designation.

Incorrect. Waived/Injured and Injured reserve are two different things. Google it.

Right, but always thought its a timing thing. I didnt think you can send a non-vested vet directly to IR before final cuts/PUP without subjecting him to the waiver process. If he goes unclaimed, then yeah, he would revert to IR.

I will google it and check in though. Would save everyone time if you just posted your aparent knowledge on the subject.

 

[QuahHawk]

I think it had to do with the new pup that can be designated returnable IR. If Harvin can come back without being designated the returnable ir then scruggs could use that.

 

[Basis4day]

Right, but always thought its a timing thing. I didnt think you can send a non-vested vet directly to IR before final cuts/PUP without subjecting him to the waiver process. If he goes unclaimed, then yeah, he would revert to IR.

I will google it and check in though. Would save everyone time if you just posted your apparent knowledge on the subject.

I don't want to make assumptions, but i think the source of your confusion is Anthony McCoy. A non-vested veteran who was waived/injured. We was due to make $630,000 this year and then become a free agent. If he had been claimed on waivers we would have saved his salary. This was acceptable because he is a free agent next year anyway. To put it simply, we didn't want to pay McCoy $630,000 to not play this season when hes becoming a FA anyway.

Scruggs is on contract through 2016. The FO feels it's in their benefit to retain him. See my original post on IR vs PUP.
Since hes on IR, he will receive his salary this year and count against the cap.

Jesse Williams was not eligible for PUP because he was not on preseason PUP. We retain his rights for a few years. Hence, they placed him on IR and hes done for the year and counts against the cap. He was never subject to waivers because we didn't waive/injury him. He was simply placed on IR.

 

[Basis4day]

I think it had to do with the new pup that can be designated returnable IR. If Harvin can come back without being designated the returnable ir then scruggs could use that.

He's likely going to remain on PUP and then go to IR when they don't activate him. He was eligible for regular season PUP so they kept him on PUP.

 

[DanejaHawk]

Scruggs is the neighbor of my best bud out in Issaquah, so I get the benefit of actually seeing and talking to the dude face to face once a month or so. There is a reason the team did not IR him right off the bat. Dude is working out constantly, staying in great shape, and rehabbing his knee like a mad man with his girlfriend who happens to be a physical therapist. As hard as I'm seeing this cat work and as much as I know he wants it, I'd be more shocked if he didn't make it back by the end of the season. Also how can you not root for Scruggs? Seriously such a nice, humble human being.

 

[jammerhawk]

I don't think IR subjects him to waivers.

It does. He would be released with the waived/injured designation.

Coug you are wrong.

It would only be the case you describe during the preseason. Now he's been reserve PUP designated and thus ineligible for 6 games he can be moved to IR without fear of predation.

 

[Basis4day]

I don't think IR subjects him to waivers.

It does. He would be released with the waived/injured designation.

Coug you are wrong.

It would only be the case you describe during the preseason. Now he's been reserve PUP designated and thus ineligible for 6 games he can be moved to IR without fear of predation.

Again, that is incorrect. You're confusing IR with Waived/Injured.

This is why we could send Jesse Williams to IR. He never went through waivers.

 

[CANHawk]

Just to dog pile on Coug, you're wrong!!!! :mrgreen:

The Mccoy example was spot on. If GS was a FA after this season, then we'd just cut him loose with an injury settlement so we didn't have to pay him, but since he is under contract until 2016 apparently, he just goes on regular IR. He gets paid for the year and we retain his rights.

Very nice insight from Scruggs neighbor though. Glad to hear he's hustling like that. I'm a big fan of the Scruggs to 3 tech idea and can't wait to see it in action...

 

[kearly]

Waived / injured and IR are different things. IR'd players are off limits to other teams and also remain on the Seahawks payroll.