Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

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Tical21":2z0iuen7 said:
RolandDeschain":2z0iuen7 said:
Tical21":2z0iuen7 said:
Quick, show me any evidence that paying your QB helps your chances of winning a Super Bowl.
Quick, show me any evidence that dumping a good QB because you don't want to pay him helps your chances of winning a Super Bowl.
Drew Bledsoe, doesn't fully count because they won it the year before also. Brett Favre. Joe Montana, and Tom Brady taking a paycut. Once their teams ditched their contracts, they won Super Bowls. Seems much better odds of winning a Super Bowl than paying a QB top-dollar, no?
I can't accurately express my feelings on this in the main forum, to be honest. I definitely have a response to this that involves explaining how you are ignoring some key major pieces of information in your rebuttal, however.
 

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Who was the last high profile QB to be franchised and how did it play out, anyone. The reason I ask is it's just rarely ever done.
 

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Hasselbeck":3gqxo40r said:
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Remember when Golden Tate left on a lowball offered from the FO, and we sured missed him last year. Don't forget we couldn't keep Red or Clemons, and our pass rush took a dip. You let Wilson walk then it's going to be a bigger impact, game over Seattle.

lol at comparing Wilson's negotiations to Tate first of all.

The Tate loss was magnified by Percy being a failure.

The FO will not let Wilson walk or even remotely taste free agency. He won't even get to sniff it.

You think I want Wilson to walk, come on now I want him to stay as long as he can still perform at a consistent level.
 

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Northwest Seahawk":3k3mjrqm said:
Anthony!":3k3mjrqm said:
Northwest Seahawk":3k3mjrqm said:
Hasselbeck":3k3mjrqm said:
Lynch was 4th.. about 550 yards behind Murray.

Lynch probably gets 1800 ish with the Cowboys offensive line though.

Not according to NFL.com Lynch was number 1.


you are looking a the playoffs dude not the regular season

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1

Yes i was he led all rushers in the post season when it mattered most an honest mistake. He's still the best running back in the league though I certainly wouldn't trade him for any other running back right now.

I never said I would trade him either. as to best back again debatable but top 5 no doubt.
 

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Manning was franchised in 2011 in Indy and Drew was franchise tagged in 2012 . So there is some precedent for that. The Seahawks have the upper in these negotiations because no guaranteed contacts Wilson has to weigh the possibility of injury playing out his contract and Seattle has the franchise tag . That's a good thing if we overpay we will probably not see another Superbowl for a while. I have no problem with them paying Wilson as long as it's reasonable. The numbers that Dave was throwing around if there even true aren't reasonable.
 

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Manning was franchised in 2011 in Indy and Drew was franchise tagged in 2012 . So there is some precedent for that. The Seahawks have the upper in these negotiations because no guaranteed contacts Wilson has to weigh the possibility of injury playing out his contact and Seattle has the franchise tag . That's a good thing if we overpay we will probably not see another Superbowl for a while. I have no problem with them paying Wilson as long as it's reasonable. The numbers that Dave was throwing around if there even true aren't reasonable.

Wilson can hold out this year, that is were he has the upper hand. He can hold out till the tag is off the table or a deal is done. Without him we are not going to se an SB this year. reality is if we loose Wilson with no franchise QB ready to take his place we are not going to see the SB anyway and probably not even the playoffs.
 

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Anthony!":2avo3i65 said:
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Manning was franchised in 2011 in Indy and Drew was franchise tagged in 2012 . So there is some precedent for that. The Seahawks have the upper in these negotiations because no guaranteed contacts Wilson has to weigh the possibility of injury playing out his contact and Seattle has the franchise tag . That's a good thing if we overpay we will probably not see another Superbowl for a while. I have no problem with them paying Wilson as long as it's reasonable. The numbers that Dave was throwing around if there even true aren't reasonable.

Wilson can hold out this year, that is were he has the upper hand. He can hold out till the tag is off the table or a deal is done. Without him we are not going to se an SB this year. reality is if we loose Wilson with no franchise QB ready to take his place we are not going to see the SB anyway and probably not even the playoffs.

That won't happen to much damage to his own brand if he does that I don't see it.
 

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Northwest Seahawk":2on7hoaa said:
Anthony!":2on7hoaa said:
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Manning was franchised in 2011 in Indy and Drew was franchise tagged in 2012 . So there is some precedent for that. The Seahawks have the upper in these negotiations because no guaranteed contacts Wilson has to weigh the possibility of injury playing out his contact and Seattle has the franchise tag . That's a good thing if we overpay we will probably not see another Superbowl for a while. I have no problem with them paying Wilson as long as it's reasonable. The numbers that Dave was throwing around if there even true aren't reasonable.

Wilson can hold out this year, that is were he has the upper hand. He can hold out till the tag is off the table or a deal is done. Without him we are not going to se an SB this year. reality is if we loose Wilson with no franchise QB ready to take his place we are not going to see the SB anyway and probably not even the playoffs.

That won't happen to much damage to his own brand if he does that I don't see it.

If that is his only option he will, it will really depend on how much faith he has in a deal getting done.
 

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Anthony!":2evym8g4 said:
Northwest Seahawk":2evym8g4 said:
Anthony!":2evym8g4 said:
Northwest Seahawk":2evym8g4 said:
Manning was franchised in 2011 in Indy and Drew was franchise tagged in 2012 . So there is some precedent for that. The Seahawks have the upper in these negotiations because no guaranteed contacts Wilson has to weigh the possibility of injury playing out his contact and Seattle has the franchise tag . That's a good thing if we overpay we will probably not see another Superbowl for a while. I have no problem with them paying Wilson as long as it's reasonable. The numbers that Dave was throwing around if there even true aren't reasonable.

Wilson can hold out this year, that is were he has the upper hand. He can hold out till the tag is off the table or a deal is done. Without him we are not going to se an SB this year. reality is if we loose Wilson with no franchise QB ready to take his place we are not going to see the SB anyway and probably not even the playoffs.

That won't happen to much damage to his own brand if he does that I don't see it.

If that is his only option he will, it will really depend on how much faith he has in a deal getting done.

The Hawks can't just pay him whatever he wants Anthony as far as holding out Manning and Drew both played I don't think a holding out is an option for him.
 

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Please God just sign the damned contract and make them stop :evil:
 

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Northwest Seahawk":2nk4f07o said:
Anthony!":2nk4f07o said:
Northwest Seahawk":2nk4f07o said:
Anthony!":2nk4f07o said:
Wilson can hold out this year, that is were he has the upper hand. He can hold out till the tag is off the table or a deal is done. Without him we are not going to se an SB this year. reality is if we loose Wilson with no franchise QB ready to take his place we are not going to see the SB anyway and probably not even the playoffs.

That won't happen to much damage to his own brand if he does that I don't see it.

If that is his only option he will, it will really depend on how much faith he has in a deal getting done.

The Hawks can't just pay him whatever he wants Anthony as far as holding out Manning and Drew both played I don't think a holding out is an option for him.


were did I ever say pay him what ever he wants? I never said that. As to Drew and Manning both played does not mean Wilson will not hold out. Both of hem were well established top QBs, who were on the 3rd or higher contract, not a guy on his rookie contract.
 

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I say this in jest! Perhaps this site needs to tag Anthony so he will hold out. Would at least stop the cracked broken record posting about RW. :p
 

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seedhawk":2akni3cx said:
I say this in jest! Perhaps this site needs to tag Anthony so he will hold out. Would at least stop the cracked broken record posting about RW. :p

Or tag anyone of a number of people so they will hold out and we can stop hearing the any avg would do crap.
 

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Anthony!":3dl3p0pc said:
seedhawk":3dl3p0pc said:
I say this in jest! Perhaps this site needs to tag Anthony so he will hold out. Would at least stop the cracked broken record posting about RW. :p

Or tag anyone of a number of people so they will hold out and we can stop hearing the any avg would do crap.

The odds of any average QB taking a team to the Super Bowl is slim but it is still very possible when you have a very good running game and a killer defense as history has shown already. Would I want to test our luck attempting that, not really. I can't wait for him to be resigned just so some people put away the broken record player they keep playing and find something else to move on to.
 

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Seahawks have proven they won't be held hostage, they pay or cut bait, they Found Wilson, I am sure they feel they can find another, It surely is not their preference but the teams success comes before a player. They have rewarded almost every impact player with a great contract, I expect the same here, just not the chance to cripple us going forward.
 

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Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......
 

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chris98251":2w6h469q said:
Seahawks have proven they won't be held hostage, they pay or cut bait, they Found Wilson, I am sure they feel they can find another, It surely is not their preference but the teams success comes before a player. They have rewarded almost every impact player with a great contract, I expect the same here, just not the chance to cripple us going forward.

This is well said, chris. I don't think anybody is suggesting we don't want RW. Nobody is arguing he isn't a key to our success. Nobody thinks the hawks would be just as fine or have just as good a chance to get into the playoffs and beyond with someone else.

The problem is that we cannot pay every great player on the team, and is his asking price worth the effects to the rest of the team?

This is a negotiation, for goodness sake! Enough with the "it's the FO's fault." Of course it is, but it's RW's agent's too, since, you know, it's a negotiation. Both sides are involved, and each has an agenda. In this case, RW's is about the bottom line money, and maybe winning in Seattle at some level. I'm positive PC/JS want to win in Seattle more than they care about RW's individual contract amount. If they feel they can care about both, then they'll offer him something he can accept and he'll sign. At this point, he hasn't so they must not have found that place both can agree on. Some posts here seem to imply a greater knowledge of our cap situation moving forward than JS has.

I'm pretty confident RW will sign here. I'm not hand-wringing because I have enough faith in the FO based on evidence of past work to think they'll figure out a middle ground. Either way, I've also come to believe they'll find ways to win, regardless of whether we keep our fantastic QB. I don't trust RW's agent to have that agenda at all.
 

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chris98251":30iqlu1k said:
Seahawks have proven they won't be held hostage, they pay or cut bait, they Found Wilson, I am sure they feel they can find another, It surely is not their preference but the teams success comes before a player. They have rewarded almost every impact player with a great contract, I expect the same here, just not the chance to cripple us going forward.

They actually showed they will be held hostage by Lynch.
 
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