Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

[Anthony!]

Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......

I do not think he is the best in football, top 5 yes probably even top 3 but not the best. I did not think he was the best in 2011 before Wilson so it has little to o with Wilson.

 

[theincrediblesok]

This is a great discussion and it's something interesting, I've never been involved in anything as deep as this.

I think we can have both Wilson and a great defense to keep winning for years and get to a few Superbowls. Wilson will have to have new rookie WR/TE/RB every 4 years or so and 1 or 2 playmakers at anyone of those positions. The O-line will also need to be replaced every 4 years to make way for rookie O-lineman to replace the ones that might demand a large contract after their rookie contract is up. In doing this we actually have more money to be put into the defense regardless of the large contract that Wilson will sign plus the salary cap will go up at almost an average of 30 million per season which will pay for Wilson's 20-25 million a year contract by itself.

We can keep Earl, Sherm, Kam, and Wagner, and keep some good playmakers on defense, but draft to keep churning out replacements for everyone else every 4 years.

Chart shows this below:

This shows Superbowl winners during the start of the salary cap era in 1994
*starts on the year they played a full season

Year – Team: Quarterback (Years Played), Running Back, Wide Receiver, Defense DVOA
1994 – 49ers: Steve Young (1991-1998), Derek Loville, Jerry Rice, #1 Defense DVOA
1995 – Cowboys: Troy Aikman (1989-2000), Emitt Smith, Micheal Irvin, #5 Defense DVOA
1996 – Packers: Brett Favre (1992-2007), Dorsey Levens, Antonio Freeman, #3 Defense DVOA
1997 – Broncos: John Elway (1983-1998), Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, #8 Defense DVOA
1998 – Broncos: John Elway (1983-1998), Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, #20 Defense DVOA
1999 – Rams: Kurt Warner (1999-2001), Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, #3 Defense DVOA
2000 – Ravens: Trent Dilfer (1994-2007), Jamal Lewis, Shannon Sharpe, #2 Defense DVOA
2001 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Antowain Smith, Troy Brown, #13 Defense DVOA
2002 – Buccaneers: Brad Johnson (1996-2008), Michael Pittman, Keyshawn Johnson, #1 Defense DVOA
2003 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Antowain Smith, Deion Branch, #2 Defense DVOA
2004 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Corey Dillon, David Givens, #7 Defense DVOA
2005 – Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger (2004-current), Willie Parker, Hines Ward, #3 Defense DVOA
2006 – Colts: Peyton Manning (1998-current), Joseph Adai, Marvin Harrison, #25 Defense DVOA
2007 – Giants: Eli Manning (2005-current), Brandon Jacobs, Plaxico Burress, #13 Defense DVOA
2008 – Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger (2004-current), Willie Parker, Hines Ward, #1 Defense DVOA
2009 – Saints: Drew Brees (2002*-current), Pierre Thomas, Marques Colston, #17 Defense DVOA
2010 – Packers: Aaron Rodgers (2008*-current), Brandon Jackson, Greg Jennings, #2 Defense DVOA
2011 – Giants: Eli Manning (2005-current), Ahmad Bradshaw, Victor Cruz, #19 Defense DVOA
2012 – Ravens: Joe Flacco (2008-current), Ray Rice, Anquan Boldin, #19 Defense DVOA
2013 – Seahawks: Russell Wilson (2012-current), Marshawn Lynch, Golden Tate, #1 Defense DVOA
2014 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Jonas Grey, Rob Gronkowski, #12 Defense DVOA


Top 5 Rank Defenses DVOA won 11 out of 21 times. 9 of the Superbowl games that had a top 5 defenses also have 8 QB's that are in or will be in the Hall of Fame (Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Bret Favre, John Elway, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers.) The 9th that is not considered yet for the Hall of Fame is Wilson at the moment.

Top 6-10 Rank Defense DVOA won 2 out of 21 times, with Tom Brady and John Elway at the helm.

Bottom 11-25 Rank Defense DVOA won 8 out of 21 times with Tom Brady, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Drew Brees and Joe Flacco

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Quick, show me any evidence that paying your QB helps your chances of winning a Super Bowl.

Quick, show me any evidence that dumping a good QB because you don't want to pay him helps your chances of winning a Super Bowl.

Drew Bledsoe, doesn't fully count because they won it the year before also. Brett Favre. Joe Montana, and Tom Brady taking a paycut. Once their teams ditched their contracts, they won Super Bowls. Seems much better odds of winning a Super Bowl than paying a QB top-dollar, no?

I can't accurately express my feelings on this in the main forum, to be honest. I definitely have a response to this that involves explaining how you are ignoring some key major pieces of information in your rebuttal, however.

He's really good at that FYI. He loves to argue so plays the stupid card better then most.

 

[Hawkpower]

Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......

I do not think he is the best in football, top 5 yes probably even top 3 but not the best. I did not think he was the best in 2011 before Wilson so it has little to o with Wilson.

Just seems odd that you spend so much time passionately advocating for one Seahawk, and then turn around and argue AGAINST another....weird.

Lynch is easily more highly regarded at his position in relation to Wilson at his, at least for now. Why would you, as a Seahawk fan, have a problem with that, and try to downplay it?

Again, just weird.

 

[chris98251]

Seahawks have proven they won't be held hostage, they pay or cut bait, they Found Wilson, I am sure they feel they can find another, It surely is not their preference but the teams success comes before a player. They have rewarded almost every impact player with a great contract, I expect the same here, just not the chance to cripple us going forward.

They actually showed they will be held hostage by Lynch.

They had the room to make it happen, they were ready to move on or Michael would not be here and we would not have had RB's stashed on PS.

It just so happened Lynch really did earn his paycheck and the increase wasn't a ball buster, Wilson has earned a paycheck as well, but we are not going to be get a Scott Boras type hamstring contract so Wilsons agent can build his reputation.

 

[Anthony!]

Seahawks have proven they won't be held hostage, they pay or cut bait, they Found Wilson, I am sure they feel they can find another, It surely is not their preference but the teams success comes before a player. They have rewarded almost every impact player with a great contract, I expect the same here, just not the chance to cripple us going forward.

They actually showed they will be held hostage by Lynch.

They had the room to make it happen, they were ready to move on or Michael would not be here and we would not have had RB's stashed on PS.

It just so happened Lynch really did earn his paycheck and the increase wasn't a ball buster, Wilson has earned a paycheck as well, but we are not going to be get a Scott Boras type hamstring contract so Wilsons agent can build his reputation.

rationalize it all you want, but Lynch threatened to retire and we gave him more money.

 

[Hawkpower]

Seahawks have proven they won't be held hostage, they pay or cut bait, they Found Wilson, I am sure they feel they can find another, It surely is not their preference but the teams success comes before a player. They have rewarded almost every impact player with a great contract, I expect the same here, just not the chance to cripple us going forward.

This is well said, chris. I don't think anybody is suggesting we don't want RW. Nobody is arguing he isn't a key to our success. Nobody thinks the hawks would be just as fine or have just as good a chance to get into the playoffs and beyond with someone else.

The problem is that we cannot pay every great player on the team, and is his asking price worth the effects to the rest of the team?

This is a negotiation, for goodness sake! Enough with the "it's the FO's fault." Of course it is, but it's RW's agent's too, since, you know, it's a negotiation. Both sides are involved, and each has an agenda. In this case, RW's is about the bottom line money, and maybe winning in Seattle at some level. I'm positive PC/JS want to win in Seattle more than they care about RW's individual contract amount. If they feel they can care about both, then they'll offer him something he can accept and he'll sign. At this point, he hasn't so they must not have found that place both can agree on. Some posts here seem to imply a greater knowledge of our cap situation moving forward than JS has.

I'm pretty confident RW will sign here. I'm not hand-wringing because I have enough faith in the FO based on evidence of past work to think they'll figure out a middle ground. Either way, I've also come to believe they'll find ways to win, regardless of whether we keep our fantastic QB. I don't trust RW's agent to have that agenda at all.

Well said.

Wilson has had some great games. He has had some crappy ones too. But he is a (key) piece of the puzzle, not the only one. I get the feeling that there are some fans here who have become so enamored they believe that Wilson could lead us to the SB all by himself.

I hope one day he reaches that level. He isnt there yet. But he is fantastic and I hope we can reach a middle ground solution to keep him around, he fits what we do well.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......

I do not think he is the best in football, top 5 yes probably even top 3 but not the best. I did not think he was the best in 2011 before Wilson so it has little to o with Wilson.

Just seems odd that you spend so much time passionately advocating for one Seahawk, and then turn around and argue AGAINST another....weird.

Lynch is easily more highly regarded at his position in relation to Wilson at his, at least for now. Why would you, as a Seahawk fan, have a problem with that, and try to downplay it?

Again, just weird.

I'd disagree given that little sideshow with Lynch was small potatoes and EVERYBODY knew the what the outcome would be.

The situation with Wilson is a true strap on your big boy pants contact negotiation involving a first tier quarterback, they're rare and almost always contentious. And for once we have front row seats to the show.

My advice? Is sit back, get your popcorn and put your feet up. The fun is just starting and it's a rare thing to be a fan of the team in this situation. In otherwords it'll get done it just won't be easy peasey.

 

[Anthony!]

This is a great discussion and it's something interesting, I've never been involved in anything as deep as this.

I think we can have both Wilson and a great defense to keep winning for years and get to a few Superbowls. Wilson will have to have new rookie WR/TE/RB every 4 years or so and 1 or 2 playmakers at anyone of those positions. The O-line will also need to be replaced every 4 years to make way for rookie O-lineman to replace the ones that might demand a large contract after their rookie contract is up. In doing this we actually have more money to be put into the defense regardless of the large contract that Wilson will sign plus the salary cap will go up at almost an average of 30 million per season which will pay for Wilson's 20-25 million a year contract by itself.

We can keep Earl, Sherm, Kam, and Wagner, and keep some good playmakers on defense, but draft to keep churning out replacements for everyone else every 4 years.

Chart shows this below:

This shows Superbowl winners during the start of the salary cap era in 1994
*starts on the year they played a full season

Year – Team: Quarterback (Years Played), Running Back, Wide Receiver, Defense DVOA
1994 – 49ers: Steve Young (1991-1998), Derek Loville, Jerry Rice, #1 Defense DVOA
1995 – Cowboys: Troy Aikman (1989-2000), Emitt Smith, Micheal Irvin, #5 Defense DVOA
1996 – Packers: Brett Favre (1992-2007), Dorsey Levens, Antonio Freeman, #3 Defense DVOA
1997 – Broncos: John Elway (1983-1998), Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, #8 Defense DVOA
1998 – Broncos: John Elway (1983-1998), Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, #20 Defense DVOA
1999 – Rams: Kurt Warner (1999-2001), Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, #3 Defense DVOA
2000 – Ravens: Trent Dilfer (1994-2007), Jamal Lewis, Shannon Sharpe, #2 Defense DVOA
2001 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Antowain Smith, Troy Brown, #13 Defense DVOA
2002 – Buccaneers: Brad Johnson (1996-2008), Michael Pittman, Keyshawn Johnson, #1 Defense DVOA
2003 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Antowain Smith, Deion Branch, #2 Defense DVOA
2004 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Corey Dillon, David Givens, #7 Defense DVOA
2005 – Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger (2004-current), Willie Parker, Hines Ward, #3 Defense DVOA
2006 – Colts: Peyton Manning (1998-current), Joseph Adai, Marvin Harrison, #25 Defense DVOA
2007 – Giants: Eli Manning (2005-current), Brandon Jacobs, Plaxico Burress, #13 Defense DVOA
2008 – Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger (2004-current), Willie Parker, Hines Ward, #1 Defense DVOA
2009 – Saints: Drew Brees (2002*-current), Pierre Thomas, Marques Colston, #17 Defense DVOA
2010 – Packers: Aaron Rodgers (2008*-current), Brandon Jackson, Greg Jennings, #2 Defense DVOA
2011 – Giants: Eli Manning (2005-current), Ahmad Bradshaw, Victor Cruz, #19 Defense DVOA
2012 – Ravens: Joe Flacco (2008-current), Ray Rice, Anquan Boldin, #19 Defense DVOA
2013 – Seahawks: Russell Wilson (2012-current), Marshawn Lynch, Golden Tate, #1 Defense DVOA
2014 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Jonas Grey, Rob Gronkowski, #12 Defense DVOA


Top 5 Rank Defenses DVOA won 11 out of 21 times. 9 of the Superbowl games that had a top 5 defenses also have 8 QB's that are in or will be in the Hall of Fame (Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Bret Favre, John Elway, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers.) The 9th that is not considered yet for the Hall of Fame is Wilson at the moment.

Top 6-10 Rank Defense DVOA won 2 out of 21 times, with Tom Brady and John Elway at the helm.

Bottom 11-25 Rank Defense DVOA won 8 out of 21 times with Tom Brady, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Drew Brees and Joe Flacco

Interesting so only 2 times since the salary cap era has a team won an SB without a franchise QB. out of the 4 times a #1 defense won the Sb which is only 20% of the time 3 of them had a franchise QB. HMM seems it is previous obvious we need a franchise Qb and luckily we have one.

 

[Anthony!]

Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......

I do not think he is the best in football, top 5 yes probably even top 3 but not the best. I did not think he was the best in 2011 before Wilson so it has little to o with Wilson.

Just seems odd that you spend so much time passionately advocating for one Seahawk, and then turn around and argue AGAINST another....weird.

Lynch is easily more highly regarded at his position in relation to Wilson at his, at least for now. Why would you, as a Seahawk fan, have a problem with that, and try to downplay it?

Again, just weird.

I am not arguing against Lynch or Lynch being a top RB. As I said he is top 5 and maybe top 3 but not #1. As to the regarded and all that, Lynch has been in the league longer, and we are a run first team so of course he would be. Add into that Wilson being a 3rd rounder and drafted same year as Luck and there you go.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Interesting so only 2 times since the salary cap era has a team won an SB without a franchise QB. out of the 4 times a #1 defense won the Sb which is only 20% of the time 3 of them had a franchise QB. HMM seems it is previous obvious we need a franchise Qb and luckily we have one.

I'm beginning to wonder who you're arguing with, and what your point is.

Should we have RW as our franchise QB? Yup!!! We have a greater chance of winning with him than without.

But at "any" cost? Do we have the money to pay him what he's asking? I sure hope so, but if not, then them's the breaks. On to plan B.

And I'm OK with that. I hope you'll be as well should he walk. It may become insufferable here if you cannot accept it. :lol:

 

[Ad Hawk]

I'm pretty confident RW will sign here. I'm not hand-wringing because I have enough faith in the FO based on evidence of past work to think they'll figure out a middle ground. Either way, I've also come to believe they'll find ways to win, regardless of whether we keep our fantastic QB. I don't trust RW's agent to have that agenda at all.

Well said.

Wilson has had some great games. He has had some crappy ones too. But he is a (key) piece of the puzzle, not the only one. I get the feeling that there are some fans here who have become so enamored they believe that Wilson could lead us to the SB all by himself.

I hope one day he reaches that level. He isnt there yet. But he is fantastic and I hope we can reach a middle ground solution to keep him around, he fits what we do well.

This is my thinking. I love RW, and hope he retires a Hawk after years of fun and a lot of winning, and becoming that much better of a player. But I'm more interested in the whole team being a blast to watch, and the team paying each what they're worth. Inflating the QB pay scale can make that really hard to do.

Why is balance so elusive?

Sigh...

 

[chris98251]

Seahawks have proven they won't be held hostage, they pay or cut bait, they Found Wilson, I am sure they feel they can find another, It surely is not their preference but the teams success comes before a player. They have rewarded almost every impact player with a great contract, I expect the same here, just not the chance to cripple us going forward.

They actually showed they will be held hostage by Lynch.

They had the room to make it happen, they were ready to move on or Michael would not be here and we would not have had RB's stashed on PS.

It just so happened Lynch really did earn his paycheck and the increase wasn't a ball buster, Wilson has earned a paycheck as well, but we are not going to be get a Scott Boras type hamstring contract so Wilsons agent can build his reputation.

rationalize it all you want, but Lynch threatened to retire and we gave him more money.

It's not rationalization, it realism, if Michael was what they thought he was Lynch sadly would not be here, Wilson has a year on his contract and they expect him to play to it, they expected the negotiations to get done or we would have traded or selected a QB in this draft.

Best laid plans don't always work, they have TJack as a fall back, then Daniels, is that what the fan base and the Seahawks want, no.

They could always make a trade as well to a team that has a depth of QB's that will need to be sorted out as well.

Again not what anyone wants, but I think they would do it. They would get screwed in the deal but it could get done.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

This is a great discussion and it's something interesting, I've never been involved in anything as deep as this.

I think we can have both Wilson and a great defense to keep winning for years and get to a few Superbowls. Wilson will have to have new rookie WR/TE/RB every 4 years or so and 1 or 2 playmakers at anyone of those positions. The O-line will also need to be replaced every 4 years to make way for rookie O-lineman to replace the ones that might demand a large contract after their rookie contract is up. In doing this we actually have more money to be put into the defense regardless of the large contract that Wilson will sign plus the salary cap will go up at almost an average of 30 million per season which will pay for Wilson's 20-25 million a year contract by itself.

We can keep Earl, Sherm, Kam, and Wagner, and keep some good playmakers on defense, but draft to keep churning out replacements for everyone else every 4 years.

Chart shows this below:

This shows Superbowl winners during the start of the salary cap era in 1994
*starts on the year they played a full season

Year – Team: Quarterback (Years Played), Running Back, Wide Receiver, Defense DVOA
1994 – 49ers: Steve Young (1991-1998), Derek Loville, Jerry Rice, #1 Defense DVOA
1995 – Cowboys: Troy Aikman (1989-2000), Emitt Smith, Micheal Irvin, #5 Defense DVOA
1996 – Packers: Brett Favre (1992-2007), Dorsey Levens, Antonio Freeman, #3 Defense DVOA
1997 – Broncos: John Elway (1983-1998), Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, #8 Defense DVOA
1998 – Broncos: John Elway (1983-1998), Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, #20 Defense DVOA
1999 – Rams: Kurt Warner (1999-2001), Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, #3 Defense DVOA
2000 – Ravens: Trent Dilfer (1994-2007), Jamal Lewis, Shannon Sharpe, #2 Defense DVOA
2001 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Antowain Smith, Troy Brown, #13 Defense DVOA
2002 – Buccaneers: Brad Johnson (1996-2008), Michael Pittman, Keyshawn Johnson, #1 Defense DVOA
2003 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Antowain Smith, Deion Branch, #2 Defense DVOA
2004 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Corey Dillon, David Givens, #7 Defense DVOA
2005 – Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger (2004-current), Willie Parker, Hines Ward, #3 Defense DVOA
2006 – Colts: Peyton Manning (1998-current), Joseph Adai, Marvin Harrison, #25 Defense DVOA
2007 – Giants: Eli Manning (2005-current), Brandon Jacobs, Plaxico Burress, #13 Defense DVOA
2008 – Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger (2004-current), Willie Parker, Hines Ward, #1 Defense DVOA
2009 – Saints: Drew Brees (2002*-current), Pierre Thomas, Marques Colston, #17 Defense DVOA
2010 – Packers: Aaron Rodgers (2008*-current), Brandon Jackson, Greg Jennings, #2 Defense DVOA
2011 – Giants: Eli Manning (2005-current), Ahmad Bradshaw, Victor Cruz, #19 Defense DVOA
2012 – Ravens: Joe Flacco (2008-current), Ray Rice, Anquan Boldin, #19 Defense DVOA
2013 – Seahawks: Russell Wilson (2012-current), Marshawn Lynch, Golden Tate, #1 Defense DVOA
2014 – Patriots: Tom Brady (2001*-current), Jonas Grey, Rob Gronkowski, #12 Defense DVOA


Top 5 Rank Defenses DVOA won 11 out of 21 times. 9 of the Superbowl games that had a top 5 defenses also have 8 QB's that are in or will be in the Hall of Fame (Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Bret Favre, John Elway, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers.) The 9th that is not considered yet for the Hall of Fame is Wilson at the moment.

Top 6-10 Rank Defense DVOA won 2 out of 21 times, with Tom Brady and John Elway at the helm.

Bottom 11-25 Rank Defense DVOA won 8 out of 21 times with Tom Brady, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Drew Brees and Joe Flacco

BOOM!

Basically it really helps to have a really good defense but if you want to actually have more than a wing and prayer to win you better have a first tier quarterback. I assume I've read that right correct?


Carry on gentlemen.

 

[Hawkfan77]

Remember when Golden Tate left on a lowball offered from the FO, and we sured missed him last year. Don't forget we couldn't keep Red or Clemons, and our pass rush took a dip. You let Wilson walk then it's going to be a bigger impact, game over Seattle.

lol at comparing Wilson's negotiations to Tate first of all.

The Tate loss was magnified by Percy being a failure.

The FO will not let Wilson walk or even remotely taste free agency. He won't even get to sniff it.

You think I want Wilson to walk, come on now I want him to stay as long as he can still perform at a consistent level.

He's been in the league for 3 years, what are you talking about??

 

[Hawkfan77]

That's a good thing if we overpay we will probably not see another Superbowl for a while.

What an unfounded statement...based on what?

 

[Rob12]

I do not agree that the act a deal is not done is proof that Wilsons camp is the issue. For all we know it is the FO that is the issue. Maybe all Wilsons a camp wants is 5-6 years at 20 mil, but the FO only wants 4, All there other contract are only 4 years. IF that is the case than the FO is the problem. AS to

"Getting to the playoffs is always fun, and I'd rather go than not. But how long can we field a SB-caliber (not merely "playoffs") team if he takes 17-20% of the salary cap by himself?"

How many more times with we be even a playoff team without Wilson and no franchise QB? To me you have to be bale to get to the playoffs to even get to the SB, so that comes first. No playoffs, no SB. Also GB came within 1 play of the SB, Denver went last year, Brady this year. You can pay a QB top money and still make the SB. You just need your FO to do their jobs.

When has THIS FO not shown the willingness to pay their players? Sherman was given the richest cornerback contract ever when he signed his extension. Same with Earl. Chancellor got a great deal. Bennett, despite the fact that he's all the sudden unhappy, was paid well. Same with Avril. Beast got a raise, which was well deserved considering what he has meant to this organization. KJ was rewarded with a great deal.

This FO is not shy about paying their players, Anthony. No one can sit here and say that they make a habit out of lowballing players. And quite honestly, I don't believe for one second that they are lowballing Russell.

Russell wants more than $20M a year. I think the hang up is the first year of the deal. He wants his rookie deal ripped up. That simply isn't feasible. If that happens, the cuts start now - and you can forget about Wagner's extension. Paying Russell beginning this season will weaken this team on so many levels. I think that Russ wants $23-25M per season, beginning in 2015. Maybe the Seahawks are meeting his number but the hang up is about the 2015 season.

People will assume that the delay is coming from Russell's camp because this team pays their players. That's a very logical assumption to make, don't you think? I think we owe them the benefit of the doubt on that.

Russell is playing hardball because he can. But for the FO, there's 52 other players that have to be factored into the equation.

I know you love Russell, but recent history would suggest that it's not this FO that is delaying a deal from getting done. I think that Russell has an insane amount of leverage here and he is using it.

 

[Rob12]

Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......

I do not think he is the best in football, top 5 yes probably even top 3 but not the best. I did not think he was the best in 2011 before Wilson so it has little to o with Wilson.

Just seems odd that you spend so much time passionately advocating for one Seahawk, and then turn around and argue AGAINST another....weird.

Lynch is easily more highly regarded at his position in relation to Wilson at his, at least for now. Why would you, as a Seahawk fan, have a problem with that, and try to downplay it?

Again, just weird.

I am not arguing against Lynch or Lynch being a top RB. As I said he is top 5 and maybe top 3 but not #1. As to the regarded and all that, Lynch has been in the league longer, and we are a run first team so of course he would be. Ass into that Wilson being a 3rd rounder and drafted same year as Luck and there you go.

Lynch is the best running back in the game. Who is honestly better?

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Adrian Peterson among one or two others just off the top of my head. He's top 5 no question but number 1? Not even close.

 

[dontbelikethat]

I also think AP is still #1, but 2-4 is a toss up for me between Lynch, Charles, McCoy. I don't think it's crazy if someone thinks Lynch is #1 or #4.

Marshawn is $$ though, wouldn't trade him for any other RB.