LTH":2rab2fvn said:
RiverDog":2rab2fvn said:
LTH":2rab2fvn said:
your expectations are to high here is an interesting stat
the majority of coaches hired every season from 2005–12 have since been canned. The 49 that were fired lasted fewer than three years on average, and 30 of them never even made the playoffs before being canned.
So the fact that Pete Carroll coached this team for 11 years and made the playoffs every year but 2 with 2 SB appearances is an amazing career and is far above the average. getting a great coach is just as hard than finding a franchise QB. they just don't come around often.
again you're going to believe what you're going to believe and i know I'm not going to change your mind...
LTH
So now you're using analytics to tell us how long our patience should last? Gotta give you an A for effort, bro, but decisions like these aren't something that you can quantify.
You keep telling us about how Pete ain't so bad, that compared to other coaches and teams that we're way ahead of the curve, that we should all get with the program, that we should be ashamed of ourselves for even thinking about changing coaches. I asked a question and would appreciate it if you or anyone else that wants to chime in to answer it:
How long should we wait? Another season? Two more seasons? Five more? Where do your numbers tell you that the breaking point is? Or is there no limit, that we should always and forever be content with making the playoffs, perhaps even winning a wild card game every once in a blue moon? Should we wake up each morning and thank our lucky stars that we're not the Detroit Lions or New York Jets?
First of all I don't think you should be ashamed of your self it's only a football team and Your expectation is what it is... I think it's unrealistic...If I asked this board if they would take Kyle Shannahan over Pete Carroll everybody would jump on it... but the reality is he is not a better coach than Carroll nor is McVay they are all very good coach's and I don 't think any one of them have out performed Carroll. all of them have had a bad year or two which have allowed them to revamp the team with new young talent and after their down years they come back strong...
The most over looked thing about Carroll is everybody thinks they draft poorly.... well, usually there are 25 to 27 teams that get a chance to pick better players than the Hawks do so why would anybody think the Hawks would stay competitive under those circumstances? but they do...because they take chances...and when those chances work out they look brilliant and when they don't they take a butt load of heat.
Everybody has different expectations I think if Carroll doesn't turn this team around by the end of the season that that's when the discussion should start. if for some reason he has a losing season next year then he should be fired... he has earned that right IMO. He has earned the right to have one losing season out of 11 or 12 how ever long he has been here.
LTH
Wow, I know you view everything the Hawks do with rose colored glasses, and in your mind, they can do no wrong. But to defend their draft history is a serious reach, even for you.
2021 - Had a chance to draft Humphreys, the player nearly every Hawks fan wanted, and in a serious area of need, but go for Eskridge instead who has barely seen the field, and despite having 2 all-pro WR's.
2020 - Everyone wanted Partick Queen, but they go for Brooks instead, who shows signs of being a good player, but not at the same level as Queen who appears to be a perennial pro bowler if not all-pro.
2019 - Collier - huge reach, and complete bust.
2018 - reach for Penny when Nick Chubb is still on the board who once again, everyone wanted.
Collier and Penny are complete busts, and the jury is out on Brooks and Eskridge.
Replace Eskridge, Brooks, Collier, and Penny with Humphreys, Queen, Chubb, and anyone except Collier, and think about how much better this team would be. And that's just 4 examples off the top of my head. There are many others.
Now I know your counter argument will be, well you can go back and look at any teams draft and point out how they should have selected this player or that player instead. But in the Hawks case, we're talking about the OBVIOUS choices they should have made, and who everyone thought they would choose, and everyone wanted. But instead, they would rather reach and prove to everyone how smart they are, and we all saw how that worked out.
For you to actually defend their draft is frankly laughable. The game day coaching and scheming has been terrible, but the drafting has been abysmal which is why we have so many holes on this team, particularly the OL and DL. It's impossible for any of us to know if those selections were on Pete or John, but since Pete has final say in all decisions involving the team on the field, I think I know where to point the finger.
