Drew Lock is NOT Josh Allen

Zerovoltz

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Hi. i'm new to your site here. I'm a Chiefs and MIZZOU fan from Kansas City. I spend alot of time at Orangehuddle.com...it's a Denver Broncos board.

I've been reading up on some of your thoughts here about Lock. Something that has come up a few times that I wanted to address here, is that some of you are mistakenly comparing Lock to Josh Allen. They are absolutely NOT the same guy. The argument for Lock being like Allen is similar build and skill set. Furthermore, Locks stats compare somewhat favorably to Allens during the same stage of development for both guys.

Here is why those comparisons are wrong.

When Josh Allen was finishing up college and was a prospect heading to his draft day in 2018, he had only been playing organized football for a short time. He was in a very small town, playing with a very limited set of other players and other teams. He went to a small JUCO with limited talent around him, limited coaching around him and limited competition. When he got to Wyoming, he was still very raw, still not surrounded by high end talent and was playing against competition that was also not all that great. Allen had not been exposed to high level coaching, had not been around high level players...and his stats reflected that. The whole premise around Allen coming out...was that he did have bad numbers, but his testing, arm, speed, brain....were all super awesome. The idea was that since he hadn't been playing high level football and had only played it for a relatively short amount of time...that there was immense potential to be tapped into once you got him pro coaching and surrounded him with NFL caliber athletes.

Taking that idea another step further....you have to also look at the Bills roster once Allen was drafted. It was BAD. The entire line he played with his rookie year, was OUT OF FOOTBALL in two years time or less for most. The were no notable skill positon players except LeSean McCoy, and by then he was a shadow of his former self. The Recievers were that started that year were also out of football in short order. Basically Allen came to a roster of garbage. It wasn't that much better his second year, and finally they had churned it enough his 3rd year that he had legit NFL players around him. So...he had ALOT of development and coaching that needed to happen AND he had to start that off with a bad roster.

So..to sum it up for Allen....super tools guy that didn't have much experience or good coaching, that had ALOT...A TON of room to grow if you could get him good coaching and better talent.

That is NOT the Same as Drew Lock....

Lock is the son of a guy who played O line at MIZZOU. He is from the KC burbs. Lock has been playing high level, organized football in a large city with high level coaching since he was a child. He started 4 years at Lee's Summit, MO High...a large class school..and was recieving paid, high end, private QB coaching from at least his Junior year there. He started all 4 years at MIZZOU..an SEC school with other players, some of whom also play in the NFL. He got coaching from some coaches who had been NFL coaches...and he played against high level competition, many of whom also play in the NFL today. It is possible...likely even, that no NFL QB playing or who has ever played, has taken more snaps from childhood, to his draft day, than Drew Lock. His scouting reports coming out of MIZ....were the easiest QB evaluations ever...they all said exactly the same thing about him...and they've all been exactly spot on so far. Lock has a strong arm...makes some really good throws at times..he does have some mobility.....he's pretty good on the run, but NOT to the level of an Allen or Mahomes. He is much better rolling to his right than left. Lock is a GOOD thrower when the routes are linear...straigt line type routes..goes, seams....slants. He SUCKS when there is a timing element involved....he is a see it, throw it QB. And what I mean by that is...let's say the route is 7 yards and then a cut in, or out...or a curl. To execute that where you get the most out of that play, the QB should be throwin the ball in anticipation of the target cutting. Lock NEVER does this...never has. He won't throw a ball until the target has made the cut and has taken a step or 2. This allows the defender to recover and break on the ball. This results in incompletions, interceptoins...or in cases wher the ball is completed..it negates chances for more yards after catch because the defender has arrived to contest things. .....For confirmation of this....just go look at Jerry Juedy...that guy is really good at getting separation with a quick cut....he had ZERO TDs this past year...and underwhelmed. Locks doesn't have the skilset to maximize a talent like Juedy. He can't do it...and he's never ever going to.

As far as what this means for Seattle...it's not bad. Lock is at his best running play action and throwing linear routes. Seattle, with their offense, and what you have at WR...is a good fit for what Lock does best. It would seem to me that the FO/Coaches in Seattle probably really do see a QB they might be able to play with and win if they can get the right mix of players and an offense suited to his skills.

Lock got NO SUPPORT in Denver.

Prior to the 2019 Draft, Denver had just hired Vic Fangio. They (Fangio and Elway, the GM at the time) made it publicly clear the plan was for Fangio to get the D playing at a high level..they would go and get a veteran QB to run a ball control...don't screw it up...don't turn it over offense. They went out and traded for Joe Flacco. They then publicly proclaimed..before that draft..they would not be taking a QB in round 1. That was the year Kyler Murray went 1/1...Daniel Jones went 6. There had been speculation that Denver would maybe take Lock in round 1. ..again, after obtaining Flacco...they said they were not going QB in round 1. ...they in fact did not take a QB in round 1. However, Elway liked Lock and when he fallen to pick 42, Elway traded up to draft him...considering him to great a value to pass up. Fangio NEVER WANTED him...didn't want anything to do with him...and always wanted to just run the D and let the OC and veteran QB handle the O.

Flacco sucked..then got hurt. Lock got to play some and was decent. Lock played most of the next year...in an offense with a bad line...and NOT taylored to his strengths...for a coach who was NOT adept at developing a QB...who didn't want a young QB...and who was not hired to handle any of that. By Vic Fangios 3rd year....he was more or less given an ultimatum to win or else....and he wasn't going to try and save his job with a QB he never wanted..who he still wasn't interested in developing...and who he didn't trust. They traded for Teddy Bridgeater and while many think Lock outplayed Teddy in camp and the preseason...Fangio rolled with Teddy. Elway...gave up the GM role last year....he was the one guy left in the building in Locks corner. New GM...and new Coach...not invested in Lock or tied to him...ready to move on...and are with Wilson.

If ever there was a QB who still might be able to salvage a career after 3 disappointing years....it's Drew Lock. Just remember that he is what his scouting report says he is....and set your expectations accordingly. Get the kid a decent line and running game...and run a bunch of linear routes. You may not be in as bad a shape as some think.

Good luck! Beat DENVER!
 

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Thanks for the post. I think we all understand that Lock is going to be a placeholder and am hoping we are all wrong.

I can't believe I'm actually rooting for Mayfield to come here
 

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Did more than a person or 3 make that claim?

I appreciate the solid post, but I don't think we needed to be brought down to earth on Drew Lock :)

Cheers!
 

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A Missouri Tigers fan? Didn’t know your university still had sports.

I know, like you posted above we can agree that any former Missouri players just aren’t that good.

Thanks for stopping by. Enjoy Cleveland State‘s mediocre coach. I have games to watch. ;)

( BTW good info on the post. I don’t think people are aware of all the enmity between KU and Missouri back to the civil war and Quantrills raiders)
 

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Appreciate your background report.
Looking forward to following Lock's reclamation opportunity.
He's in good hands in Seattle where everyone that will matter to him is on the same page.
Thanks(y)
 

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Great post! I think some comparisons are less about skillset, and more about how Allen was viewed as a bit of a bust over his first two years before things clicked for him, and that its not impossible for that to be the case with Lock if he's in the right situation.

Allen is an incredible talent. Wish we had him. What Lock might be is yet to be seen. Not certain the book on him is as complete yet as some of the doomsayers claim.
 

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YEs, great post. I was thinking along the lines of Josh Allen, but that's with no background. Watching his highlights , he seems to do better throwing middle to right side of the field, unless it's a bomb. IIRC, Rick Mirer couldn't throw to his left, Drew might have the same issue.

I think Pete is going to build Drew's confidence up, as will Lockett and DK. I Hope and Pray that Pete goes out and finds a very good QB coach to help Drew's development, as from what I saw, there was ZERO of that in Denver.

I still can't believe Russell chose Denver. That place looks like a smoldering dumpster fire to me! But then again, this is the guy that was willing to be traded to Chicago.

Pete Ball worked great when we had a running game, and it's the perfect fit for Drew. Take the pressure off of him, and Waldron will give him easy targets, much like McVay did for Jared Goff.

But for this to work, we need an elite defense. Hence, my desire to draft Jermaine Johnson at #9, and then Defense, Defense, Defense the rest of the draft.

I think Drew's going to be a good bridge QB, and a great backup to our 2023 Draft Pick. :)
 

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It's hard to be super optimistic that Lock will be the answer but it is true that he fits what they like to do in theory. Good in play action, mobile so you can do boots. The big concern is the inconsistent accuracy, some maturity issues in Denver, and the non-PA pure drop back efficiency.
 

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Kid needs a consistent system, a QB coach to work mechanic's and offense that is suited to his abilities, I think our offense does that. we will see on system, the coach is the key here. Hell he may be ok if given a chance and not expected to be ELWAY 2.0.
 

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Sounds like Drew Lock is more like Matt Hasselbeck. The Seahawks need to build that world class offensive line now and find a good mentor for Drew. Maybe the Seahawks can hire Matt Hasselbeck for QB coach, does he still live in the area?
 

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Lock is kind of like Charlie Whitehurst, except with upside.

I just said that cuz they both had strong arms and some mobility but weren’t the best decision makers. Both were 2nd Round picks. And TJack’s 2011 season was almost exact to Lock’s 2020 stat-wise.
 

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Lock is kind of like Charlie Whitehurst, except with upside.
this is absolute Nonsense. Whitehurst and to some extent T-Jack were afraid to take the ball down the field. there's a reason he was called "Checkdown charlie" Lock has more of a gunslinger attitude. Which can certainly bite him in the backside. Lock is significantly more talented than Whitehurst or T-Jack IMO. Looking at his tape he has an elite arm and has made some very impressive throws into tight coverage. The question is -- Can he be consistent enough to become a solid NFL Starter? That remains to be seen.
 

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I read your post in Carl's voice from ATHF.

The last time I saw a Drew Lock is Josh Allen was around draft time and that quickly went away when he started playing.
 
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