Question for the Geno apologists

[olyfan63]

Yeah, unless the ball is underthrown, it shouldn't have been a pick. DK dropping deeper means the CB can jump the route when he wasn't exactly on top of him.

Either DK ran a bad route, or the ball was underthrown and DK didn't seem to "slow up".

I don't solely blame DK -- but I also don't solely blame Geno on that one. Unlike his first pick.

Watching the All-22, it looks like the pick is an O-Line issue, not giving Geno enough time to hang in and see DK turn it up and hit him for the deep TD.

DK: Holy schitt, there's no safety help, if I turn it up I have this guy beat for a TD if Geno sees it!
GENO: I'm out of time, there's DK on the crosser, gotta rip it now, WTF DK, why did you cut the route up, ya gotta know there's NF Way I have time to see it and make the throw??!!

GRUBB: Aaaaarrrrggghhh!

So, arguably, this is two games in a row that DK, NOT Geno, has made game-losing plays. Last week, fumble in the red zone vs. Giants, this week, crossing up Geno leading to a game-losing pick instead of a go-ahead TD that DK was thinking. If DK instead makes the "ordinary" play, holds onto the ball, and the Hawks score a TD vs the Giants, that's probably a win, and again, if he makes the "ordinary" play, it's a completion on the crosser instead of a pick, and maybe Hawks score a TD and take the lead on that drive. It's rough cookies for Geno to take the blame when Hawks could easily be 5-1. Geno also wasn't on the Special Teams unit that got the tying FG blocked vs the Giants. However, vs the Giants, Geno somehow just missed JSN on a throw that could've been a first down in the Red Zone and resulted in a TD to take the lead.

 

[HawkinNY]

geno is not a closer.

Yes he is. When the teams we are playing are bad.

 

[pittpnthrs]

This team has a ton of problems right now which is forcing Geno to do too much. That's when the mistakes happen and the streakiness occurs. The improv game is not Geno's forte. That was the previous QB's MO until even he couldn't do it. It's why I always said Geno was a system QB, but struggled when the system broke down. That's what I was meaning. The problem right now is that there's no way the system can work with the horrid Oline, inability to run the ball, and a defense that might not be better than last years abomination. It's not Geno's fault. Any QB would be hard pressed to find success with the accumilation of issues this team has. I actually feel bad for him and us fans alike, because we're never going to see what could have been. It's just going to take too long to fix the issues.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Geno has about 5 games like this every season. Every year I think he's gonna improve, but he never does. He's a tease.

 

[James in PA]

Geno has about 5 games like this every season. Every year I think he's gonna improve, but he never does. He's a tease.

Yup. Every time you start to believe he lets you down. 0-5 against the Niners. That's not going to cut it. Im done with this experiment.

 

[Ozzy]

The offensive line was not good. Although they only gave up a sack, this was one of their worst protection rates of the season. Pressures matter.

Geno had a terrible game, but the core issues have more to do with the team than him. Let's be honest: The defense gives up 35 PPG to non-bad (top 28) QBs. The offensive line can't run or pass block effectively, so nothing the skill position players are doing is ever easy. And since we're always immediately playing from behind, we can't even try to run the ball to take pressure off the passing game. No. We're asking the passing game to be damn near perfect in high-pressure situations all game for this team to win. That's not a formula success with 99% of QBs.

this is pretty spot on. Geno was objectively bad there is just know way around it. Even if you give the one pick to DK as his fault (and I saw two really smart film guys debating it) he was still bad. But Stone got beat at such a high level that it’s really tough to function at a high level. The defense was good in moments at getting stops but then we gave them a couple of short fields for easy points. I don’t think you can put all 35 on them but either way they didn’t play good.

Bottom line even me as someone who’s more critical of Geno than most, sees that Geno is at the bottom of the list on what needs to change for this year. I do have faith they will play better though and some of the issues are fixable.

We should be used to this. Multiple years recently we’ve started out the year with historically bad defenses only to have them get better and I think this unit will too

 

[themunn]

Geno is on track for over 700 pass attempts this season, something only Tom Brady (the GOAT) and Matt Stafford (in the year Megatron broke the single season record - also they won just 4 games that year) have done. If he keeps up this pace while maintaining his accuracy he on course to match/break the record for completions in a season as well.

So really he is doing too much right now - the RBs and the playcallers really need to step up before it goes tits up even further

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

Whether Geno's good, okay, or terrible, he's not really put in a position to consistently succeed yet. You can replace him with someone who might be better but if that QB is still Matrix dodging DLinemen and getting their big plays called back on penalties, what has the switch really accomplished?

No matter where you rate Geno in the grand hierarchy of offensive issues, if it's not behind OLine, OLine, and OLine, you're insane.

 

[Loganpatch]

I just LAUGH at all these folks saying Geno sucks. Is he a HoF'er?...hell no, but he is NOT the reason this team blows. The fact that people come on here and say "Geno sucks" just shows how much they don't understand what's really going on (or they just don't like Geno or feel the need to single anyone out). He isn't elite, yes, but there isn't a QB in the league what would succeed with that O'line AND defense that forces a team away from a balanced offensive attack.

 

[hawkfan68]

Geno has thrown for 6 interceptions so far this season but according to some, none of them is his fault. He can do no wrong.

 

[Rat]

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm still trying to figure out how all this works, and it's not quite second nature yet. There was that play in the fourth quarter, where Geno didn't see a wide open Kenneth Walker for an easy TD, despite Walker being on the side of the field Geno was scrambling to. So, I get that it wasn't Geno's fault. Where I'm struggling though, is how to blame it on DK. What are we claiming he did on that play?

 

[Ozzy]

Yeah he was flat out bad last night. He missed a ton of throws, had wide open reads that he didn’t see, two picks etc. not a good night

 

[rcaido]

I think that Giants game did a number in Geno's head. Hearing footsteps and just seem uncomfortable, unlike the previous games he was throwing quick passes w/ confidence despite the pressure. Geno needs a get right game, probably next week w/ the Falcons or the season is done.

 

[hangumhi]

Ohhh, so we should all be pessimistic!? Great way to live life. No thanks

Someone offers their opinion and all of a sudden they're forcing you to live your life a certain way? Yikes!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geno has thrown for 6 interceptions so far this season but according to some, none of them is his fault. He can do no wrong.

Well, he did plenty wrong yesterday. Yet AGAIN, he has a chance to put the team on his back. And......poof. Loss.
Missed SEVERAL open guys, throwing into double and triple coverage etc.
I wanted to believe in this guy, I'm just to the point where he is what he is. Average. Not clutch.
Plenty will blast my opinion, and I just don't care anymore, I have a right to it. Not a Geno hater, I just don't see him being good enough to get it done in the long run.
And that body language last night was NOT what I wanna' see out of the leader. I'll get called a troll again, I'll get called a Geno hater. Don't.....f'ing.....care.
Go Hawks 24/7 365

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[Ozzy]

Geno is a good QB. He’s not someone I want to spend 50 million on. That about sums it up

 

[knownone]

Well, he did plenty wrong yesterday. Yet AGAIN, he has a chance to put the team on his back. And......poof. Loss.
Missed SEVERAL open guys, throwing into double and triple coverage etc.
I wanted to believe in this guy, I'm just to the point where he is what he is. Average. Not clutch.
Plenty will blast my opinion, and I just don't care anymore, I have a right to it. Not a Geno hater, I just don't see him being good enough to get it done in the long run.
And that body language last night was NOT what I wanna' see out of the leader. I'll get called a troll again, I'll get called a Geno hater. Don't.....f'ing.....care.
Go Hawks 24/7 365

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You getting called a troll has nothing to do with your opinion of Geno.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Whatever you say. Couldn't care less. Go Hawks

 

[Biscanebay12]

Geno has about 5 games like this every season. Every year I think he's gonna improve, but he never does. He's a tease.

Career backup

 

[rcaido]

Geno is a good QB. He’s not someone I want to spend 50 million on. That about sums it up

I agree, then again majority of the QB should not be paid that much. Probably less than 5 I can think of that is value enough (mahomes, Allen, Lamar, and Stroud)

Put money on the Oline and Dline.