Pass Blocking PFF 2nd to last, Geno 2nd highest

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So I was watching a video on Caleb Williams woes and they were talking about how long he holds the ball vs someone like Joe Burrow.

Caleb in college was used to using his athletic abilities, as well as having top tier line talent, to be able to have more time for plays to develop. And the bears do him no favors with their current line as well as having our old OC Shane. Watching Shane calling on long developing plays with a line that can't block looks so familiar.

Anyways, It got me thinking about the Seahawks. Let's face it, we have had about a decade of below avg line play with hints of average at times. But the last five years we have been near or at the bottom.

But the reality is that Geno has dealt with it every year he's been here. It seems like that has forced him to make quick reads and get the ball out before he gets absolutely destroyed.

As Seahawks fans we have all watched and lowered our expectations on what we expect from our o line (which is why it's so weird watching Cross be so good this year) but from what I saw from Geno and Gibbs, maybe they have the formula to still make it work.

I think that is the part I'm so excited about with Gibbs and Geno this year is they aren't trying to force an offense that just isn't going to work. I think that was the big adjustment after the 1st half of game one. Designing an offense around the weakness of our pass blocking.

That's the only thing that makes sense to me how we have the 2nd worst pass protection and 2nd best rated qb.
 

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I don't take anything PFF says seriously. But this is probably fairly accurate.
Yup. One of the best qbs in the league so far and he's operating behind one of the worst o-lines. And thats been the case since he's started.

Thats honestly why all the talk about what he hasn't proven he can do yet is funny to me. Its like a driver finishing top 7 to 12 out of 32 with a car that has two flat rear tires and people questioning his ability because he hasnt won one yet.

I've been saying it constantly. If a player can throw 44 out of 44 passes on target, finish 33 of 44 despite 3 OBVIOUS drops, and do so behind one of the worst pass protecting lines in the league, what can he do when he has a top 10 line? Logic tells you he might be better that 75% completion and might throw more TDs than 1 or 2 per game.

And if he's working this magic behind a line thats literally NOT helping him, that he might be just fine if we are in the playoffs against better apponnents and (if) his line is improved.

If it doesnt improve, what more can you ask for than 100% of 44 passes being on target??
 

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If Caleb Williams goes the Russell Wilson route, holding the ball to extend plays, he might find a similar career trajectory. The improvisation habits will become imbedded over time and difficult to shake when he inevitably loses mobility. For longevity's sake, I would instead work on my pocket awareness, pre snap reads, and internal clock.

I have full confidence that Grubb has adjusted his game plans to account for the offensive line. It was evident in the last game. The up tempo used to fatigue the heavy defensive tackles and limit their substitutions is a big help.
 
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Shoot i meant OC Grubb. Talking about the OLine and Alex Gibbs name popped in my head.
 
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Just saw this stat.
Genos time till throw.
2022 2.79s (23rd)
2023 2.75s (18th)
2024 2.49 (3rd)
 

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NextGen Stats has Caleb at 8th for time to throw with an average of 2.64 seconds. Him holding the ball too long hasn’t been the problem. Bad o-line play and no running game are killing the Bears. I don’t think Waldron’s play design is doing much to mitigate the issues either.
 

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So I was watching a video on Caleb Williams woes and they were talking about how long he holds the ball vs someone like Joe Burrow.

Caleb in college was used to using his athletic abilities, as well as having top tier line talent, to be able to have more time for plays to develop. And the bears do him no favors with their current line as well as having our old OC Shane. Watching Shane calling on long developing plays with a line that can't block looks so familiar.

Anyways, It got me thinking about the Seahawks. Let's face it, we have had about a decade of below avg line play with hints of average at times. But the last five years we have been near or at the bottom.

But the reality is that Geno has dealt with it every year he's been here. It seems like that has forced him to make quick reads and get the ball out before he gets absolutely destroyed.

As Seahawks fans we have all watched and lowered our expectations on what we expect from our o line (which is why it's so weird watching Cross be so good this year) but from what I saw from Geno and Gibbs, maybe they have the formula to still make it work.

I think that is the part I'm so excited about with Gibbs and Geno this year is they aren't trying to force an offense that just isn't going to work. I think that was the big adjustment after the 1st half of game one. Designing an offense around the weakness of our pass blocking.

That's the only thing that makes sense to me how we have the 2nd worst pass protection and 2nd best rated qb.
I’m sure you mean, Grubb, as in OC, Ryan Grubb…

I agree with everything though.
 

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NextGen Stats has Caleb at 8th for time to throw with an average of 2.64 seconds. Him holding the ball too long hasn’t been the problem. Bad o-line play and no running game are killing the Bears. I don’t think Waldron’s play design is doing much to mitigate the issues either.
He certainly isnt. And Schlereth knows Shane well from his time as a guest on Seattle sportstalk radio.



His critique starts at around 1:50 and he's dead on. We had to deal with his idiocy for 3 years, though in year 1, Russ ran roughshod over him and just did what he wanted - which in itself tells you what you need to know about the character of Mr Waldron.

Money quote - ' The offens line doesnt suck nearly as much as the playcaller sucks'. He was speaking 'generally' about how OCs hamstring O linemen by not scheming to help give them an advantage in protection by varying shotgun vs under center snaps, play action calls, etc.
 
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