Maelstrom787":290jt6oy said:Fade":290jt6oy said:Maelstrom787":290jt6oy said:Fade":290jt6oy said:These are the facts. Seattle was #1 in pre-snap motion in week 1. They then fell to bottom 3 in the league up until the Lions game. The last 2 weeks they were again in the top 5.
You're either fanboing hard for Pete, have a dog$hit memory, or you don't really understand what you're watching. Which is it?
$h!t, huh?
This coming from the guy who would take Derek Carr over Pat Mahomes and judged Frank Clark a bad draft pick because he didn't get a second contract here?
Miss me with that $h!t, dollar store Kearly.
Also, feel free to provide the source for the presnap stats and I'll be happy to take a look.
Wow. Gaslighting to the max.
1) Derek Carr over Patty Mahomes during his early season struggles. I clearly stated "Right now, not longterm."
Derek Carr was clearly playing better over that stretch. Would you like to argue different?
2) They botched the Frank Clark negotiation, letting it drag out too long, they had no choice but to trade him.
3) The fact still remains they went away from pre-snap motion, and that Ram's-like attack for most of the season, despite whatever names you'd like to call me. Then brought it back the final two weeks once eliminated from playoff contention.
This is how it went:
Week 1:
https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/gm-...e-of-pre-snap-motion-fly-sweeps-with-seahawks
https://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-s...ne-waldron-partnership-gets-off-to-fast-start
Among the new elements of Waldron's offense are an increased reliance on fast tempo, more pre-snap motion, how they use running backs in the passing game and using receivers in the run game with fly sweeps.
But by mid-year:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF_Eric/status/1455527080431693836[/tweet]
The reason it doesn’t make sense is because the Seahawks have a new offensive coordinator in Shane Waldron who comes from a Rams system that has utilized pre-snap motion a great deal over the last few years under Sean McVay. And in the Seahawks’ first game of the year against the Colts, the offense used pre-snap motion a lot.
“The first game, you saw so much pre-snap motion, you saw so much creativity. I mean, it was amazing,” Heaps said. “… It was like man, this is a way different look, a way different feel to this offense. And that was one aspect of it that I was really excited about Shane Waldron (bringing to the Seahawks) offensively. We have not seen that happen enough.”
Heaps thinks that if the Seahawks “let Shane Waldron be himself” as a playcaller, then we will see them use pre-snap motion more going forward.
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1522...se-needs-to-get-back-to-doing-after-bye-week/
That last sentence summarizes it perfectly.
Having to actually have a debate about this is ridiculous. It is clear and obvious.
McVay Ball.
You're legit arguing against facts. This is not an opinion. The Seahawks used more motion in game 1. They went away from it. Late season they went back to it.
McVay ball? You do see that the Rams are not part of the top 5 teams in the Tweet you listed there, right?
That aside, your entire argument rests upon a conspiracy held up by a one game sample size of heavy pre-snap motion, and falls especially flat when you're attempting to directly correlate pre-snap motion with offensive success as if only archaic offenses do not utilize motion - Tampa Bay being an example of a team that has used it fairly sparingly prior to this year, and early in the season even.
Notice how they switched it up, though. Evolution. Interesting. Almost as if teams and philosophies aren't static.
I can't imagine equating pre-snap motion with complexity, either. The McVay attack you're referring to was renowned for being SIMPLE yet effective. What a false equivalency.
You argue for complexity, yet also argue for fairly direct adherence to a specific set of offensive concepts. You fail to see the hypocrisy in this.
You're just angry they didn't do exactly what you thought they would. You then equate a lack of pre-snap motion with a lack of success, as if there's a strong correlation.
PS: Frank Clark has 4.5 sacks this year. You'd be absolutely $h!t your pants all over the board if Seattle paid him that contract for that type of production. They did exactly what anyone else would consider ideal - get his best years, ship him out for a haul. If you're honestly still painting that as a loss for Seattle, you should probably hang out with Niner fans.
Yeah dude you lost this argument and resorted to insults because of it. Just chalk it up as a loss and move on. You were wrong. They did seem to change a little the past couple of games.