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100s of times? Could you kindly post 2 of them?

Amen. I literally cant think of a post or thread that claimed Geno was elite. Capable of elite performance? Yes. Absolutely. He has already shown that. But his performance hasnt been elite to date for a stretch long enough to warrant the label.

But, it keeps getting repeated that 'the other side' thinks he is top 5 qb, our qb for the next 5 years, and worth 60 mil a year.
 

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Amen. I literally cant think of a post or thread that claimed Geno was elite. Capable of elite performance? Yes. Absolutely. He has already shown that. But his performance hasnt been elite to date for a stretch long enough to warrant the label.

But, it keeps getting repeated that 'the other side' thinks he is top 5 qb, our qb for the next 5 years, and worth 60 mil a year.
You, Maelstrom and orange gravy can deny it but for the vast majority it’s blatantly obvious and I’m not the first to point it out.

I’ll give you guys one though as to not incriminate you guys. Montanahawk just recently said Geno is elite and many of you guys defended the statement.

I’ve said he’s 12-17 range multiple times only for you guys to lose your collective mind that I have him that low. Wouldn’t that imply if 12th is crazy you have him near elite or elite?
 

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Least you’re posting links with people claiming he’s top 10. Go list the top 10 QBs. If you think Geno is easily in the top 10 and the rest of us are crazy you’re flirting with elite status just in that statement alone.

So maelstrom, OG, Keasely etc if he’s easily top 10 yet you claim people attaching elite to your view is crazy talk I’m at a loss here.
 

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Least you’re posting links with people claiming he’s top 10. Go list the top 10 QBs. If you think Geno is easily in the top 10 and the rest of us are crazy you’re flirting with elite status just in that statement alone.

So maelstrom, OG, Keasely etc if he’s easily top 10 yet you claim people attaching elite to your view is crazy talk I’m at a loss here.
Its the advanced stats man. Genos pass attempts hit hands almost every throw. Might be the safety or the corner, but he's super accurate.
 

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You, Maelstrom and orange gravy can deny it but for the vast majority it’s blatantly obvious and I’m not the first to point it out.

I’ll give you guys one though as to not incriminate you guys. Montanahawk just recently said Geno is elite and many of you guys defended the statement.

I’ve said he’s 12-17 range multiple times only for you guys to lose your collective mind that I have him that low. Wouldn’t that imply if 12th is crazy you have him near elite or elite?
Any others?
 

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your next round of drinks is on me if you could persuade a, as one, geNO to change their minds on Geno with logical deductions and inference. OK, got to cap this, drinks as standard off-the-counter cocktails or beers, no exotic stuff like Louis 13 or stuff.

second thought, if you could, a shot of JW blue label is on the list.
 

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You, Maelstrom and orange gravy can deny it but for the vast majority it’s blatantly obvious and I’m not the first to point it out.

I’ll give you guys one though as to not incriminate you guys. Montanahawk just recently said Geno is elite and many of you guys defended the statement.

I’ve said he’s 12-17 range multiple times only for you guys to lose your collective mind that I have him that low. Wouldn’t that imply if 12th is crazy you have him near elite or elite?
Literally every time you say that he's "12-17," I tell you that we're not actually far off in our assessment of his caliber, so go ahead and keep my name out of that "lose your collective mind" snipe. That's just false.

And yeah, there is almost no "Geno is elite" on the forum. There are aspects of Geno's game that are elite. There are aspects that are not. You can say that about most quarterbacks. Even those who are generally complimentary of Geno agree.

I think Geno has the talent to be elite in the right circumstances. That's a nuanced viewpoint that is not the same as a declaration that his play has been "elite."
 

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Amen. I literally cant think of a post or thread that claimed Geno was elite. Capable of elite performance? Yes. Absolutely. He has already shown that. But his performance hasnt been elite to date for a stretch long enough to warrant the label.

But, it keeps getting repeated that 'the other side' thinks he is top 5 qb, our qb for the next 5 years, and worth 60 mil a year.
It's such a fringe viewpoint that no one actually consistently has been promoting. Even I haven't said "Geno is unequivocally a top 5 quarterback in the NFL."
 

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Least you’re posting links with people claiming he’s top 10. Go list the top 10 QBs. If you think Geno is easily in the top 10 and the rest of us are crazy you’re flirting with elite status just in that statement alone.

So maelstrom, OG, Keasely etc if he’s easily top 10 yet you claim people attaching elite to your view is crazy talk I’m at a loss here.
This is bordering on unhinged, dude.

I think he's a top-10 quarterback talent (arm, fundamentals, and athleticism) whose performance hasn't been top-10, mostly due to the situations he's had to operate in for 3 years now.

I have no idea why you feel the need to make this a weird mob mentality thing. If there is a "Geno is elite" crowd, it is a MASSIVE minority, and that's beyond obvious and can CERTAINLY be proven if you wanna throw a poll up.

Actually, I did that already. You know what we proved?

No one actually has a consistent viewpoint on Geno and they change how they feel after every few games based on his most recent performances.


So this whole premise is flawed and gives people way too much credit, as if most people even have a real opinion to begin with on the topic.
 

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This is bordering on unhinged, dude.

I think he's a top-10 quarterback talent (arm, fundamentals, and athleticism) whose performance hasn't been top-10, mostly due to the situations he's had to operate in for 3 years now.

I have no idea why you feel the need to make this a weird mob mentality thing. If there is a "Geno is elite" crowd, it is a MASSIVE minority, and that's beyond obvious and can CERTAINLY be proven if you wanna throw a poll up.

Actually, I did that already. You know what we proved?

No one actually has a consistent viewpoint on Geno and they change how they feel after every few games based on his most recent performances.


So this whole premise is flawed and gives people way too much credit, as if most people even have a real opinion to begin with on the topic.
I just reviewed that poll of yours, not one, as ZERO, votes for below 15.
 

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Lol you guys said it's not happening , I gave actual example of it happening and listed why many people think you guys go way too far sometimes.

The keep my name out your mouth comment is goofy dude. I mentioned you because you were responding.

I'll concede geno and his 22nd ranked QBR, EPA and passer rating are all borderline elite.

Go hawks.
 

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And many of the anti geno crowd aren’t against geno. He may very well be our best option next year. If Kubiak wants him and we don’t do a big contract I’m good with it. I lean towards going another direction but it’s not the only option.
 

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I just reviewed that poll of yours, not one, as ZERO, votes for below 15.
But if you check out the thread, I linked the same poll but from a few weeks prior, and you can see how wildly opinions change on Geno between just a few games.

It proves that the vast majority exhibit very strong recency bias and that very few have a concrete opinion of Geno's caliber in terms of overall ranking.
 

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Lol you guys said it's not happening , I gave actual example of it happening and listed why many people think you guys go way too far sometimes.

The keep my name out your mouth comment is goofy dude. I mentioned you because you were responding.

I'll concede geno and his 22nd ranked QBR, EPA and passer rating are all borderline elite.

Go hawks.
I'm... not sure who you're conceding to. Are the "Geno is definitively elite" people in the room with us right now?

And your comment is "goofy" because it is outright false. I never have acted like "12-17" is a bad range to rank Geno in, and to say otherwise is just textbook strawman aarguments.

The offense you take to this seems almost personal. I'm simply confused.
 

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But if you check out the thread, I linked the same poll but from a few weeks prior, and you can see how wildly opinions change on Geno between just a few games.

It proves that the vast majority exhibit very strong recency bias and that very few have a concrete opinion of Geno's caliber in terms of overall ranking.
I beg to differ, there is a core group of geNO that will say words like how they might tolerate geNO if (......fill in), but deep down geNO is that ugly dude that replaced their hero Wilson, and they will never never forgive geNO.

As I have said to the other, if you can flip one of those, your next round of drinks on me.
 

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I beg to differ, there is a core group of geNO that will say words like how they might tolerate geNO if (......fill in), but deep down geNO is that ugly dude that replaced their hero Wilson, and they will never never forgive geNO.

As I have said to the other, if you can flip one of those, your next round of drinks on me.
Certainly a bigger crowd of those than the mythical "Geno is elite/top-5" crowd, which is comprised of a few troll-ish posts from Welshers and just about no one else since 2022 ended.
 

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I'm... not sure who you're conceding to. Are the "Geno is definitively elite" people in the room with us right now?

And your comment is "goofy" because it is outright false. I never have acted like "12-17" is a bad range to rank Geno in, and to say otherwise is just textbook strawman aarguments.

The offense you take to this seems almost personal. I'm simply confused.
Every single time I’ve stated that I’m met with paragraphs from multiple people why that take is crazy.

I don’t take any of this personal. It’s you who gets upset with people who don’t view Geno the way you do. I’ve said multiple times I don’t care where people rank Geno as we’re all entitled to an opinion and it’s fun to agree, disagree whatever as long as it doesn’t bleed into other topics because that’s what happens when people make it personal. Now you’ve said multiple things on other topics I’ve agreed with and hit the like button. One of the guys in this thread puts a laughing emoji on a ton of my posts because I disagreed with him on Geno, another poster lost it too because of the same thing.

So yeah when you say “it’s only the other side” when I’ve seen that that’s not the case i get annoyed.

None of this is personal. I just wish the two sides didn’t take the Geno stuff so seriously. If I have him lower than you it’s perfectly fine. I mean hell I have him multiple spots higher than nfl execs has him in Sandos last poll so it’s not like I’m a hater.

And for the dozen time, I’ve said he may very well be the best option for next year and if he is I’ll be hoping for the best with an improved line and a new OC
 

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Certainly a bigger crowd of those than the mythical "Geno is elite/top-5" crowd, which is comprised of a few troll-ish posts from Welshers and just about no one else since 2022 ended.
You’re overstating it. You said yourself Geno is top 10. That is near elite especially with a ton of good QBs in the league right now.
 

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I'm... not sure who you're conceding to. Are the "Geno is definitively elite" people in the room with us right now?

And your comment is "goofy" because it is outright false. I never have acted like "12-17" is a bad range to rank Geno in, and to say otherwise is just textbook strawman aarguments.

The offense you take to this seems almost personal. I'm simply confused.
There's no point arguing with the mod. There's no ignore button for mods, so you're forced to deal with the ignorance. Careful though, he might use his mod powers on you if you keep challenging his acumen.
 

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