Macdonald: "Geno Answering the Call"

[LeveeBreak]

I can't tell if you are being serious or not.

If you are being serious, I want you to know that I bookmarked your predictions for future reference.

It will be fun posting them later.

You need a hobby.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I can't tell if you are being serious or not.

If you are being serious, I want you to know that I bookmarked your predictions for future reference.

It will be fun posting them later.

When you sniff your own farts, do you just hand-cup them or do you fart into a glencairn to bring out all of the subtle notes in the aroma and sniff from that?

 

[Maelstrom787]

You need a hobby.

He has one, it's called "getting pantsed on the internet and pretending he's pantsing others."

 

[keasley45]

Do you honestly not see how this contradicts your previous stance of Carroll not knowing how to start a game and your allegations that he purposely sleepwalked through 3 quarters routinely to set up fourth quarter wins?

Pick a lane, man. Pick a lane. If you're going to pin it on Carroll, you can't straight up contradict yourself this badly.

The reality is that the coordinators actually coordinated their sides of the ball and each had unique strengths and weaknesses, and that always has been the reality of our situation. Always. Not only is that the reality, but it takes just a basic application of Occam's Razor to arrive at that conclusion independently.

Exactly. Not only complaints about starting slow, but of us being run heavy and not alloeing the qb to throw in a 'modern' offense. As soon as Geno was the starter, all of that vanished, but still theres the belief Pete held back his coordinators.


Forget the fact that no coordinator that was supposedly 'hamstrung' while he was here, went on to do much better as a signal caller after they left.

 

[keasley45]

Are you being serious? Guy accounted for every TD except one during a season. That's not carrying a team?

When Geno can do anything better than .500 ball and win a single post season game, get back to me.

RG3 also carried his team during a period when the read option and double threat qb were still ahead of defenses trying to stop them.

Michael Vick also carried his team and accounted for RB-like stats from the QB position.

I woukdnt call either of them outstanding 'QBs'. And both had to have a specific playbook scripted for them. Much in the same way Russ did.

Russ was infinitely more accurate and had an uncanny knack for escapability over his first 6 seasons. But to say he wasnt the main reason the offense was often stuck in neitral until he stopped trying to actually call basic plays is revisionist history. His stints in Denver under SP, the sage, QB ehisperer put to bed 10 years of debate during his tenure here in Seattle. We flourished when Russ could play Russ. We stank when Russ tried to play NFL QB in an NFL system with complex NFL plays.

And if Grubb is worth his salt, we will see this year just what Geno is all about. To date, hes been given few favors.

 

[olyfan63]

Oh…and what has he done since then?

Umm... Me3 led the Seahawks to a #5 overall draft choice. That's something. OK, so that was two years ago.
Last year? OK, so he led the Donkeys to a 5 game win streak, beating playoff teams including eventual SB champs KC in the process. Then he got dumped by Payton and traded to the Stealers. Now Mr. Unlimited is once again in position to carry a team with a solid defense and bruising running game.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Let's be honest..... We have a newb head coach and a college OC.

Don't expect us to be in the Super Bowl anytime soon.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yes I’m serious…are you? How many MVP votes did he get? In his entire career? Carried us where? The Super Bowl win was our defense and running game…and yes he contributed to that. Our second Super Bowl ended on a pick he threw at the goal line. Wake up

Good lord. The Seahawks would have been .500 or worse from 2015 on if it weren't for Wilson. I've never seen a QB asked to do more than him. He was good enough that 9 to 12 wins was automatic and he kept the team relevant during his tenure. He was the best QB the franchise has ever had, but yet you dismiss him as something else. Wake up indeed.

 

[pittpnthrs]

RG3 also carried his team during a period when the read option and double threat qb were still ahead of defenses trying to stop them.

Michael Vick also carried his team and accounted for RB-like stats from the QB position.

I woukdnt call either of them outstanding 'QBs'. And both had to have a specific playbook scripted for them. Much in the same way Russ did.

Russ was infinitely more accurate and had an uncanny knack for escapability over his first 6 seasons. But to say he wasnt the main reason the offense was often stuck in neitral until he stopped trying to actually call basic plays is revisionist history. His stints in Denver under SP, the sage, QB ehisperer put to bed 10 years of debate during his tenure here in Seattle. We flourished when Russ could play Russ. We stank when Russ tried to play NFL QB in an NFL system with complex NFL plays.

And if Grubb is worth his salt, we will see this year just what Geno is all about. To date, hes been given few favors.

Revisionist history is forgetting or dismissing a head coach that stuck to his philosophy and schemes of trying to pound a square peg into a round hole until forced to let his QB pull his fat out of the fryer with improvised play late in games.

Complex NFL plays? When did that ever happen in Seattle? They were widely known as being the most predictable team with easy to read plays for years. I remember Waldron's first game he called against the Colts with all the motion and misdirection that Seattle won and looked fantastic in doing so and then the reins were pulled in again for some reason. We all know the reason why, but many refuse to acknowledge it.

As for Wilson's stint in Denver, that's a popular topic for the haters. They love to bring up that short stint where Wilson was obviously done, but hey, there's really nothing else you and they have so by all means, keep leaning on that.

This is the year we're all going to see what Geno is all about? Haven't we seen enough already to know? I have.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Oh…and what has he done since then?

Although being done at this point, his team has lost only two more games in a two year period than the Geno led Seahawks. I'll let you drink that in for a little bit.

 

[IndyHawk]

Although being done at this point, his team has lost only two more games in a two year period than the Geno led Seahawks. I'll let you drink that in for a little bit.

You keep going on about that old has been who cannot operate but one
basic offense.
This a Mac/Geno thread right?

 

[pittpnthrs]

Forget the fact that no coordinator that was supposedly 'hamstrung' while he was here, went on to do much better as a signal caller after they left.

Brian Schottenheimer called and wants you to hold his beer. Don't go anywhere, because Waldron will more than likely be joining the party soon enough too.

 

[pittpnthrs]

You keep going on about that old has been who cannot operate but one
basic offense.
This a Mac/Geno thread right?

Sorry Indy, I have no idea what your trying to say here.

 

[olyfan63]

Let's be honest..... We have a newb head coach and a college OC.

Don't expect us to be in the Super Bowl anytime soon.

First sentence... absolute truth.

Second sentence... who knows, and as Mr. Limited said, "...why not us?" But you're not exactly beating the stock market with a prediction that has a 15/16, 93.75% chance of being true for any given season, for an "average" team.

We can always hope for lighting in a bottle; say, Dick Vermeil and the Rams and Kurt Warner and Mike Martz. Or the very first Belichick-Brady SB win, ironically at the expense of those same Rams (minus Vermeil) the following year. Or the 10-6 Giants beating the 18-0 Patriots. Or the Nick Foles Eagles beating the Patriots with the Philly Special.

I went and re-watched the 2007 Giants playoff run highlights. Those 3 road games... beating Tampa, Dallas and Green Bay on the road... then taking out the 18-0 Patriots... that was some inspiring schitt. Am I saying this team is guaranteed to do that--hell no. Next year's team, if MM builds that D like we hope he will, well tough D and an unstoppable pass rush, and an adequate-but-clutch offense was what took the 2007 Giants to the promised land.

 

[olyfan63]

Sorry Indy, I have no idea what your trying to say here.

He's saying that Russell is world-class at running the Russell Wilson offense, which can take you places if you have the Legion of Boom defense and peak Marshawn Lynch and NFL DC's are still baffled by the read-option offense. It was a great and fun few seasons of a bygone era. (I still don't know why LOB didn't just hold and tackle Falcons receivers in the Divisional in 2012 with seconds left)

However, if you want Me3 to run the Sean Payton offense, with timing and progressions, well, that's a no-go. Payton got tired of having to run the Russell Wilson offense. To Payton's credit, he improved Russell as a QB a bit in the attempt. I actually look for Russell to do reasonably well in Steeltown because they know exactly what he does, and historically, Russell doesn't lose games for you with needless turnovers. (Except SB49 of course.)

 

[pittpnthrs]

He's saying that Russell is world-class at running the Russell Wilson offense, which can take you places if you have the Legion of Boom defense and peak Marshawn Lynch and NFL DC's are still baffled by the read-option offense. It was a great and fun few seasons of a bygone era. (I still don't know why LOB didn't just hold and tackle Falcons receivers in the Divisional in 2012 with seconds left)

However, if you want Me3 to run the Sean Payton offense, with timing and progressions, well, that's a no-go. Payton got tired of having to run the Russell Wilson offense. To Payton's credit, he improved Russell as a QB a bit in the attempt. I actually look for Russell to do reasonably well in Steeltown because they know exactly what he does, and historically, Russell doesn't lose games for you with needless turnovers. (Except SB49 of course.)

Personally, i'm expecting and looking forward to Steeler fans losing their minds around week 4 when they'll start crying for Fields.

I'll agree with you that Wilson plays a certain style and isn't a conventional QB. In stating that, I also am aware that he struggles presently playing that style because he has no legs now. I do want to point out though that I believe a large reason why he plays the way he does was because of the constant pressure he saw every game in Seattle due to poor offensive line play and play calling. It broke him. Remember in 2015 (I believe that was the season) when Wilson was hurt with a bad ankle or leg and read option plays were still being called although opposing teams knew he couldn't run? That's the stuff i'm talking about.

Bottom line is I believe Wilson did as good as anybody could with the cards he was dealt.

 

[keasley45]

Revisionist history is forgetting or dismissing a head coach that stuck to his philosophy and schemes of trying to pound a square peg into a round hole until forced to let his QB pull his fat out of the fryer with improvised play late in games.

Complex NFL plays? When did that ever happen in Seattle? They were widely known as being the most predictable team with easy to read plays for years. I remember Waldron's first game he called against the Colts with all the motion and misdirection that Seattle won and looked fantastic in doing so and then the reins were pulled in again for some reason. We all know the reason why, but many refuse to acknowledge it.

As for Wilson's stint in Denver, that's a popular topic for the haters. They love to bring up that short stint where Wilson was obviously done, but hey, there's really nothing else you and they have so by all means, keep leaning on that.

This is the year we're all going to see what Geno is all about? Haven't we seen enough already to know? I have.

The square peg / round hole thing has been disproven.

Pete was blamed for neutering a passing game the entire time wilson was here. Wilson leaves, and his typical 1/3rd field utilization, bomb or die, 3 and out fest followed him to Denver.

Meanwhile, in Seattle, the passing game and QB, were the only facets of the team that looked legit with the exception of KWs brief run of productivity his rookie year.

Pete was blamed for being the orchestratir of the run run pass punt offense. After Russ left, we literally became the pass run pass offense.

I dont see how any of that can be reasonably debated, particularly seeing as how Russ was gifted an offensive mastermind in Peyton... and we know what Peyton thought of Russ's ability as a QB...

Like i said, Dude was good at playing his own game. And he did that spectacularly. But as was reported extensivle last year, Russ was barely even capable of speaking out Peytons' plays in the huddle, let alone actually running them after the snap, or audibling before it.

Pete had his foibles. Pete was conservative at times. He forced players out of position at times to suit his style of DEFENSE. But to say he handcuffed the offense and Russ at this point is ludicrous when the growing concensus across the league is now that Russ was a beneficiary of Carroll's scheming around his deficiencies and allowing him to play Russ ball, something obviously no other coach since has been willing to let him do (because it no longer works and hasnt for almost 4 years now).

The dude can get outplayed by Fields this year and never find success under anothet NFL HC and some will STILL say Pete held him back.

If he does, it will be 3 HCs that found him inadequate. Yet somehow the one that brought him success somehow hamdcuffed him??

And post 2015, the Hawks had top 10 rushing attacks and a miffle of the pack D tbrough 2019. Hr carried the team the year we had literally no warm bodies to run the ball. It wasnt because he trascended the game or that the team was hapless without him. You paint it as if he saved Pete and the organization from themselves, wgrn in reality, had he ever been forced to do duting that period what Peyton and Hackett made him do, we would have looked much the dame as they did.

But lets not argue. Just see what homey does in Pittsburgh. This will all be settled in good time.

Russ's is writing his true legacy at this point, pen in hand. And the last three years have been chicken scratch. The longer he plays, the lower the percentage of stellar career years he has and the further in the rear view theyll be.

 

[Titus Pullo]

First sentence... absolute truth.

Second sentence... who knows, and as Mr. Limited said, "...why not us?" But you're not exactly beating the stock market with a prediction that has a 15/16, 93.75% chance of being true for any given season, for an "average" team.

We can always hope for lighting in a bottle; say, Dick Vermeil and the Rams and Kurt Warner and Mike Martz. Or the very first Belichick-Brady SB win, ironically at the expense of those same Rams (minus Vermeil) the following year. Or the 10-6 Giants beating the 18-0 Patriots. Or the Nick Foles Eagles beating the Patriots with the Philly Special.

I went and re-watched the 2007 Giants playoff run highlights. Those 3 road games... beating Tampa, Dallas and Green Bay on the road... then taking out the 18-0 Patriots... that was some inspiring schitt. Am I saying this team is guaranteed to do that--hell no. Next year's team, if MM builds that D like we hope he will, well tough D and an unstoppable pass rush, and an adequate-but-clutch offense was what took the 2007 Giants to the promised land.

Were any of those a rookie HC and a college OC?

 

[keasley45]

Meanwhile, we've got Geno.

Fingers crossed he can benefit from a better line and more coherent run game and offensive strategy (one that at least isnt offensive) and elevate his game beyond what it was when those elements were some of the weakest in the league.

 

[keasley45]

Were any of those a rookie HC and a college OC?

As much as id want to say youre being negative, i cant. On paper the future is bright. But our staff has proven literally nothing in the positions they currently hold.