MacDonald riding with Geno

[Double Tribble]

Two years from now: We're just a player or two away. Roll with 37 year old Geno one more year and we'll make the playoffs for sure. We're that close!

Please God, make it stop and get us out of purgatory.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Two years from now: We're just a player or two away. Roll with 37 year old Geno one more year and we'll make the playoffs for sure. We're that close!

Please God, make it stop and get us out of purgatory.

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Are we all just arguing against points that literally no one is making?

We're just inventing enemies to fight at this point. Might as well be boxing Manti Te'os girlfriend.

No one is saying that a succession plan should not be identified. There needs to be a guy getting cultivated to be this franchises future, and they should swing hard on the guy they identify.

I love Geno Smith as much, if not more, than anyone else here does as a quarterback. He's got the majority of what I look for in terms of skillset, I like his attitude, I like that guys respond to him, and I like that he's pretty lights out on game winning drives.

I still went on record saying I'd trade him and a bunch more for the opportunity to select Drake Maye.

Being relatively complimentary of Geno Smith's acumen as a passer and wanting to keep him absent an obvious stud replacement is NOT the same thing as wanting to keep him forever with no heir apparent. I don't really think ANYONE on the so-called "pro-Geno" side even KIND OF thinks that we should give up on locating and developing the next guy.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

For the record, the pro-Geno name was created by...........a pro-Geno poster. And that's fine. You have a right to believe in the guy, big time, and I appreciate your dedication to him. Just like some of us have the right to NOT believe in the guy. It doesn't make any of us stupid, or haters etc. And NO, I'm not saying that you said that.
It's just football opinions. This subject has clearly been massively overblown.

 

[Maelstrom787]

For the record, the pro-Geno name was created by...........a pro-Geno poster. And that's fine. You have a right to believe in the guy, big time, and I appreciate your dedication to him. Just like some of us have the right to NOT believe in the guy. It doesn't make any of us stupid, or haters etc. And NO, I'm not saying that you said that.
It's just football opinions. This subject has clearly been massively overblown.

Pro-Geno is just a tag. It doesn't matter who coined it, it's a description used for a segment of posters encompassing essentially anyone who doesn't want to get rid of the guy.

The title of "pro-Geno" really is not the point of my post. At all.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Ok, Dad. Thanks for that usual condescending, I'm smarter than everyone, especially you tone.

Some things never change.

Heh. Okay.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Go Hawks

 

[DarkVictory23]

The comparison with Hass was surprising to me. But even in those years he had a great season in 2003. We were really good that season and weird shit happened late in two losses to make 12-4 go to 10-6 that year. And a disappointing season in 2004. His highs weren't really that much more than Geno. Both had those playoff losses. Neither won one.

Yeah, Hass had a bit of a down year, but we were SO CLOSE to getting a post-season win for the first time in forever. That incompletion in the end zone... man, that was probably the biggest kick in the gut I'd ever experienced as a sports fan to that point in my life.

It felt like we were on the verge, there. Which, to me, is why it's an interesting point of comparison to where the team is now. In 2001, we were 9-7, just missed the playoffs. In 2002, 7-9. 2003, 10-6 just sneak into the playoffs, heartbreaking loss in the wild card round. 2004, 9-7, just barely win the division and then have a heartbreaking loss in the wild card round.

Accepting common wisdom, that team should be in purgatory and needs to blow it all up... in reality, we were about to make our first ever Super Bowl appearance.

And is this really all that different from 2021-2024, where we've been 7-10, 9-8, 9-8, and 10-7, including one Wild Card playoff loss that we were winning at halftime?


This is what people don't get. The league is a league of parity. Being in 'purgatory' isn't bad, it's normal. And being in the 'slightly better than average' purgatory is better than the 'slightly worse than average' purgatory.

Since 2013 (both our first Super Bowl victory and Geno's first year in the league, so I think a useful date), the average 3 season span of a team prior to making a non-consecutive Super Bowl appearance (I.E. they didn't play in the Super Bowl the year before), is 10-7, 9-8, 9-8--I.E. our exact record the last 3 years.

The average 3 seasons before a team ends up going last in their conference across that span: 6-11, 7-10, 7-10. This is why 'tanking' (or whatever you want to call not fielding your best possible team to increase your draft position) doesn't work in the NFL.

 

[Ozzy]

Are we all just arguing against points that literally no one is making?

We're just inventing enemies to fight at this point. Might as well be boxing Manti Te'os girlfriend.

No one is saying that a succession plan should not be identified. There needs to be a guy getting cultivated to be this franchises future, and they should swing hard on the guy they identify.

I love Geno Smith as much, if not more, than anyone else here does as a quarterback. He's got the majority of what I look for in terms of skillset, I like his attitude, I like that guys respond to him, and I like that he's pretty lights out on game winning drives.

I still went on record saying I'd trade him and a bunch more for the opportunity to select Drake Maye.

Being relatively complimentary of Geno Smith's acumen as a passer and wanting to keep him absent an obvious stud replacement is NOT the same thing as wanting to keep him forever with no heir apparent. I don't really think ANYONE on the so-called "pro-Geno" side even KIND OF thinks that we should give up on locating and developing the next guy.

Yeah that’s not true because anytime we talk about using a 1st rounder it gets shot down and instead we’re told we should be drafting guards there. People can gov lip service to a successor but for most of the extreme pro Geno crowd that means taking late flyers because Genos so good he just needs a player or two.

Now to be fair you’re saying swing hard so that’s not you…but it’s a lot of the extremist in this debate for sure.

 

[sutz]

Congrats, guys! You made 30 pages.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Hass also had one of the best olines in seattle history. Geno played behind some of the worst. So did Russ for that matter.

The circle of No One is to Blame

Geno can't beat good teams.
It's NOT Geno's fault - It's the O-Line
Okay JS put together the OLine
It's NOT JS's fault - something something Pete Carroll/Injuries
Okay so it's the OC's fault
It's NOT the OC's fault. He's not on the field and Geno has been Mid with SEVERAL OCs

YAY! Nobody's Fault! Trophies and big Contracts for everyone for years to come progress and record be damned and if you don't agree you arent a real fan!

 

[toffee]

I wish I could truly say what I'm thinking right now.................

geNO, geNo, geNO, ok I am not as creative as you with so many other geXXXXX. lol.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Yeah that’s not true because anytime we talk about using a 1st rounder it gets shot down and instead we’re told we should be drafting guards there. People can gov lip service to a successor but for most of the extreme pro Geno crowd that means taking late flyers because Genos so good he just needs a player or two.

Now to be fair you’re saying swing hard so that’s not you…but it’s a lot of the extremist in this debate for sure.

I think it's circumstantial, though. I wouldnt select any of the dudes this year in the first, and I'd say that if we had a totally empty QB room regardless of Geno. Those picks should be made based on prospect, not roster situation.

 

[toffee]

Russ played behind a good O Line?

Steelers'

 

[SoulfishHawk]

geNO, geNo, geNO, ok I am not as creative as you with so many other geXXXXX. lol.

geDIOCRE is still the one I'm most proud of

 

[Ozzy]

Steelers'

It wasn't very good actually.

 

[Ozzy]

I think it's circumstantial, though. I wouldnt select any of the dudes this year in the first, and I'd say that if we had a totally empty QB room regardless of Geno. Those picks should be made based on prospect, not roster situation.

Again for reasonable people but for most it isn't that. Every argument is against using any high pick on a QB because we already have an elite guy in their minds. It's been repeated hudnreds of times.

I'm still open on this class. I think people just repeated the general thought but its way too early to say no one in the first 3 rounds isn't worth it or isn't potentially a great pick for a team looking for succession. I may get to that point but not yet. I actually like a couple of the guys potentially after the big 2.

 

[keasley45]

Great observations on Geno from Bryan Walter's. Starts at around 32 minutes in with a convo on how to address qb after Geno. BTW, he thinks Geno is a top 10 qb and has apparently watched his play all year, INTs included.

This is the same episode where he and Salk breakdown the last play of SB49...

Where's the popcorn.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, he's wrong. gePICK isn't close to top 10.

 

[keasley45]

Forgot the link

 

[OrangeGravy]

Again for reasonable people but for most it isn't that. Every argument is against using any high pick on a QB because we already have an elite guy in their minds. It's been repeated hudnreds of times.

I'm still open on this class. I think people just repeated the general thought but its way too early to say no one in the first 3 rounds isn't worth it or isn't potentially a great pick for a team looking for succession. I may get to that point but not yet. I actually like a couple of the guys potentially after the big 2.

100s of times? Could you kindly post 2 of them?