MacDonald riding with Geno

[toffee]

Of course nobody knows, but tanking is about intention, not knowing for sure. Heck, Sam Howell could get bit by a radioactive spider this offseason, and all of a sudden be the most unstoppable player of all-time... or he could quit playing football altogether to go fight crime in New York City.

The problem here is, since Geno got the starting job, we've created QB controversy after QB controversy to a degree that is frankly unbelievable when you view it in context of how Geno's actually played for us.

Snap rated from 2021, the season when Geno stepped in for Russ and Pete actually thought "Hey, we might actually be able to win with this guy", Geno is ranked 13th for Success Rate, just below Lamar Jackson and above Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts, Sam Darnold, and CJ Stroud.
He's 13th in Passer Rating, above Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love, CJ Stroud, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, and Trevor Lawrence.
He's been one of the top 5 most accurate passers in the league (and tied for 1st for bad throw rate with Joe Burrow).

In comparison, if Drew Lock and Sam Howell had enough snaps to qualify for these rankings (they don't), they'd be 30th and 29th in success rate, 30th and 29th in passer rating, 33rd and 29th (of 32) in accuracy.

I get Geno's old, but when you look at these numbers, it feels like a bad joke that we've recycled the idea that we 'need to see what we have' with Drew Lock or Sam Howell or whoever else for 3 straight years. There has never been anything close to the barest whiff of a notion that either of those guys have looked close to being better than Geno in training camp, and yet we've had 3 years of fans thinking somebody has executed a dastardly plot to hold back two guys who haven't looked remotely on the same level as Geno over the last 4 seasons.

Nobody is thinking Justin Herbert or Baker Mayfield or Jordan Love or CJ Stroud need to go. We have 'what if' posts every other week about guys like Sam Darnold and Trevor Lawrence.

Should we extend Geno? Heck, I don't know. I don't know what he expects money wise, and I don't know how John Schneider thinks about the draft, I don't even know if Macdonald has some inside info on injuries or whatever. But can we stop manufacturing a QB controversy that wouldn't apply to literally a dozen other QBs in this league?

My unsolicited advise to you and keasley45 before you: inference are not trendy on dot net, critical thinking simply viewed as corny.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Go Hawks

 

[pittpnthrs]

This is the crux of the issue, though: It's not a waste if you think he can take the team somewhere, and as you mentioned, some people do.

My opinion is that the Hawks are at least two years away from filling in the necessary holes that are lacking to be serious contenders and that's not taking the QB position into account. I just don't see Geno being that guy. I don't hate him and am perfectly fine riding with him for another year or two, but there needs to be a plan for his replacement soon,,,,like yesterday.

 

[DarkVictory23]

My opinion is that the Hawks are at least two years away from filling in the necessary holes that are lacking to be serious contenders and that's not taking the QB position into account. I just don't see Geno being that guy. I don't hate him and am perfectly fine riding with him for another year or two, but there needs to be a plan for his replacement soon,,,,like yesterday.

Well, then we fundamentally disagree how far off we are as a team. We were the best team that didn't make the playoffs this year.

We finished the season as approximately the 6th best defense in the league. This during a season when we got rid of both of our starting MLBs in the middle of the season.

Our offense, I get the consternation, but frankly... we had back-to-back seasons of being a top 10* offense with essentially the same personnel we had on the field in 2023, but we brought on an OC who simply had no idea how to call an NFL level offense.

Our O-Line severely underperformed (to the tune of being like the 2nd worst O-Line in the league), but there are a lot of young guys on this team at the line and I think there is a better than 50% chance that time, better coaching, and a better offensive scheme helps these guys a lot.

I think we are a single well executed off-season away from being serious contenders.

 

[toffee]

Well, then we fundamentally disagree how far off we are as a team. We were the best team that didn't make the playoffs this year.

We finished the season as approximately the 6th best defense in the league. This during a season when we got rid of both of our starting MLBs in the middle of the season.

Our offense, I get the consternation, but frankly... we had back-to-back seasons of being a top 10* offense with essentially the same personnel we had on the field in 2023, but we brought on an OC who simply had no idea how to call an NFL level offense.

Our O-Line severely underperformed (to the tune of being like the 2nd worst O-Line in the league), but there are a lot of young guys on this team at the line and I think there is a better than 50% chance that time, better coaching, and a better offensive scheme helps these guys a lot.

I think we are a single well executed off-season away from being serious contenders.

100%

 

[Titus Pullo]

Déjà vu from the last two off seasons.

 

[toffee]

Does Barnwell knows what he's talking about?

Barnwell: The path Seattle Seahawks should take with Geno Smith

ESPN's Bill Barnwell weighs in on the route the Seattle Seahawks should pursue with Geno Smith and the future of their quarterback position.

sports.mynorthwest.com

 

[evergreen]

The comparison with Hass was surprising to me. But even in those years he had a great season in 2003. We were really good that season and weird shit happened late in two losses to make 12-4 go to 10-6 that year. And a disappointing season in 2004. His highs weren't really that much more than Geno. Both had those playoff losses. Neither won one.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Well, then we fundamentally disagree how far off we are as a team. We were the best team that didn't make the playoffs this year.

We finished the season as approximately the 6th best defense in the league. This during a season when we got rid of both of our starting MLBs in the middle of the season.

Our offense, I get the consternation, but frankly... we had back-to-back seasons of being a top 10* offense with essentially the same personnel we had on the field in 2023, but we brought on an OC who simply had no idea how to call an NFL level offense.

Our O-Line severely underperformed (to the tune of being like the 2nd worst O-Line in the league), but there are a lot of young guys on this team at the line and I think there is a better than 50% chance that time, better coaching, and a better offensive scheme helps these guys a lot.

I think we are a single well executed off-season away from being serious contenders.

You might be right, but we'll just have to agree to disagree. The Hawks beat nobody of substance last season to obtain their record. This upcoming seasons schedule does look favorable though, I do admit.

The only reason the defense performed as well as it did after mid-season was because of the LB change. They were hot garbage before so and I believe MM wants and needs to keep banging away to try and sure up the secondary and a better pass rush.

Another concern is the offense is starting fresh yet again with another OC and that usually takes time. Add the Oline improvements that need to be made and the subtraction of some other players, which will assuredly will happen like Tyler, and your looking at building chemistry that could take time.

What i'm trying to say is that because they won however many games last season, that doesn't automatically mean they will repeat or better that record the following season. Could happen for sure, but I see MM building a fundamental core for this team moving forward and I can't see Geno being involved in that. Some think they are close and on the "win now" path. I see a team still not close to being legit contenders. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You ARE wrong, Pitt!!!

Hopefully

 

[hawker84]

The comparison with Hass was surprising to me. But even in those years he had a great season in 2003. We were really good that season and weird shit happened late in two losses to make 12-4 go to 10-6 that year. And a disappointing season in 2004. His highs weren't really that much more than Geno. Both had those playoff losses. Neither won one.

Hass also had one of the best olines in seattle history. Geno played behind some of the worst. So did Russ for that matter.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Russ played behind a good O Line?

 

[pittpnthrs]

You ARE wrong, Pitt!!!

Hopefully

Take it back!

 

[pittpnthrs]

Russ played behind a good O Line?

Think he meant he didn't.

Still remember that picture of all 5 defensive linemen from the Cards about to pounce on him. Lol.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Dude ran for his life most of his career. Denial doesn't change that fact. My favorite was the year that his bashers said that the team only won because of the defense and running game. Yeah, he led the team in rushing that season
Exactly why I retired from the subject, people literally just making stuff up.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Dude ran for his life most of his career. Denial doesn't change that fact. My favorite was the year that his bashers said that the team only won because of the defense and running game. Yeah, he led the team in rushing that season
Exactly why I retired from the subject, people literally just making stuff up.

I don't see anyone denying it here though, so...

 

[toffee]

Hass also had one of the best olines in seattle history. Geno played behind some of the worst. So did Russ for that matter.

Hass also benefited from a really good RB and running game.

Hasd is well loved and a darling on dot net, earned and deserved it. Geno is the "geNO".

 

[evergreen]

Early on Russ had a good O line. At least it was one of the top $ spent. I think it really fell apart when we lost Unger. I remember when we lost Lynch and Russ was like 24 td - 3 int in the second half of 2015.

 

[Ozzy]

I don't think the early line was all that great either but their running game with Lynch/Russ and the zone read was just so unique and efficient that it covered a ton of sins.

I think early Russ like in 2015 was just much better than fans here want to admit. He was a monster then.

Evergreen you may be right though, its possible I'm completely off and the line was good with Unger, I'm sure it wasn't as bad as it is now

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I don't see anyone denying it here though, so...

Yeah right. People have been denying his accomplishments for years. And it's funny, TO ME, so...