#Free Russell

[Jville]

I just think people dont understand whats really happening... there is a reason why Pete does what he does...We are not in the meetings, we do not have a good understanding of what their game plan really is or why they call the plays they do...

People get really upset with the play calling.... for example when they went for it on 4th and one against the Saints and didn't make it, Wilson threw that little lob pass that was way off the mark. Plays like that people say why the heck didn't they just run it... well, it wasn't the play that was bad, it was they did not execute the play correctly... if they execute that play they are hero's if they dont then everybody just dogs Shotty...

IMO Pete opens the O up when he thinks the O is efficient enough to make it happen... It's all a team progression of learning and execution. Every year they go through this and every year is different according to the identity the team takes on... For the life of me I dont' understand why people dont understand this...

LTH

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Your thoughts remind me, that as a fan forum, much of what is said here is confined to the boundaries of an a fan's limited observations. Blaming decision makers outside of an observers bubble has been a time honored fan tradition .... especially on game day.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

 

[John63]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

Yup that should have been the end of the debate as it is the reality of the situation.

 

[Jville]

:177692: Just to be clear ......... this open forum welcomes varying and often contrasting opinions.

 

[Elemas]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

Yup that should gave been the end of the debate as it is the reality of the situation.

*mic drop

 

[LTH]

Just your daily reminder they are Dolphins tier their first 15 offensive plays of the game, worst in the NFL.

This problem also goes back 4 seasons starting in 2016. It takes a special kind of kool-aid to be fine with this.

#Free Russell

Yeah but the fins are 0-3 and the Hawks are 2-1... so I dont see it...

LTH

 

[LTH]

I mean if the hawks won every game but were the worst in the league in offensive efficiency why does it matter? It's true I believe in Carroll and some might think Im drinking the kool aid but Look at the Hawks record since Holmgren? was that not because of Carroll?

Edit: since Carroll took over from Holmgren

LTH

 

[Fade]

The game against AZ was all I asked for. They built the gameplan around Russ, and were aggressive at the start of the game.

They made their mistakes in the middle of the contest, but by then they had given themselves a nice
little cushion, so it didn't really matter.

Now they need to do this every week, regardless of the opponent.

Wilson would have thrown more had they needed it, but they didn't. This is how it is supposed to work.

#TheyFreedRussell

 

[hgwellz12]

Werd ^^^^^

 

[John63]

The game against AZ was all I asked for. They built the gameplan around Russ, and were aggressive at the start of the game.

They made their mistakes in the middle of the contest, but by then they had given themselves a nice
little cushion, so it didn't really matter.

Now they need to do this every week, regardless of the opponent.

Wilson would have thrown more had they needed it, but they didn't. This is how it is supposed to work.

#TheyFreedRussell

AGREED!!

 

[LTH]

The game against AZ was all I asked for. They built the gameplan around Russ, and were aggressive at the start of the game.

They made their mistakes in the middle of the contest, but by then they had given themselves a nice
little cushion, so it didn't really matter.

Now they need to do this every week, regardless of the opponent.

Wilson would have thrown more had they needed it, but they didn't. This is how it is supposed to work.

#TheyFreedRussell

Your a pretty smart dude I read a lot of your posts...

IMO It is just a progression of learning , continuity, and execution ... it takes a bit of time for the O to come together and gel...

The Hawks still are not hitting their stride... for example they had great field position in the third quarter and didn't score the D is not getting takeaways like they used to.... this week was a fairly easy opponent as opposed to last week against the Saints that's a good football team.... I think the Hawks are going to struggle a bit in the next few games then they will hit their stride and be awesome...

Carroll is a great coach and Shotty is a great coordinator and the truth is they are still learning each other as well...

just my take

LTH

 

[Fade]

The game against AZ was all I asked for. They built the gameplan around Russ, and were aggressive at the start of the game.

They made their mistakes in the middle of the contest, but by then they had given themselves a nice
little cushion, so it didn't really matter.

Now they need to do this every week, regardless of the opponent.

Wilson would have thrown more had they needed it, but they didn't. This is how it is supposed to work.

#TheyFreedRussell

Your a pretty smart dude I read a lot of your posts...

IMO It is just a progression of learning , continuity, and execution ... it takes a bit of time for the O to come together and gel... someone made a post about wins in quarters and you can see that that Hawks peak in the 3 and 4 quarter of the season this isn't by accident...it's just how it is designed by Carroll...

The Hawks still are not hitting their stride... for example they had great field position in the third quarter and didn't score the D is not getting takeaways like they used to.... this week was a fairly easy opponent as opposed to last week against the Saints that's a good football team.... I think the Hawks are going to struggle a bit in the next few games then they will hit their stride and be awesome...

Carroll is a great coach and Shotty is a great coordinator and the truth is they are still learning each other as well...

just my take

LTH

Normally I am a patient person and would go along with "It's a process", but this has been an obvious problem for years. It's nice to see them rollout a different script, centered around their dynamic QB at the start of the game for a change. Something they should be doing every week to give themselves the best chance to win. THUR night, if they can put the Rams in the hole early, Goff will turn it over, and it can snowball from there.

Edit#

That 3rd qtr lull was due to establishing the run come hell or high water. I'm fine with that up 3 scores.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

The game against AZ was all I asked for. They built the gameplan around Russ, and were aggressive at the start of the game.

They made their mistakes in the middle of the contest, but by then they had given themselves a nice
little cushion, so it didn't really matter.

Now they need to do this every week, regardless of the opponent.

Wilson would have thrown more had they needed it, but they didn't. This is how it is supposed to work.

#TheyFreedRussell

Yep, all I asked for as well. Would liked to have seen the TD on that first drive but, hey progress. Will take it.
Spot on Fade

 

[sutz]

Russ had 28 attempts against the Cards.

Over his career, he has averaged, on a per game basis:

2012.. 24.56
2013.. 25.44
2014.. 28.25
2015.. 30.19
2016 ..34.13
2017.. 34.56
2018 ..26.69

Yeah, nice to see those attempts go up so drastically. :laugh:

 

[John63]

Russ had 28 attempts against the Cards.

Over his career, he has averaged, on a per game basis:

2012.. 24.56
2013.. 25.44
2014.. 28.25
2015.. 30.19
2016 ..34.13
2017.. 34.56
2018 ..26.69

Yeah, nice to see those attempts go up so drastically. :laugh:

Its not just about attempts it is about the type and timing. This time they were spread out throughout the game, and had we been behind or it was close we would have thrown more. We had thrown more than ran until the 2nd half. Normally it is the other way around. Also, the outlier years were he threw 34+ were with no run game. No we have a rung game, and yet he is avg 33.25 attempts per game. That is the key 33+ with a run game as opposed to 34 without one. This means the offense is going through Wilson, and we are passing to set up the run more, which is the way it really should be given we have an ELITE QB.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

 

[John63]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years. It worked when we had a historic defense. We have not had that for several years, and in the meantime up to now he has not adjusted. Your best player on offense is your QB. You build around and run an offense built for him. Now that said it seems like they have started doing this so far this year. We will see if it continues.

 

[LTH]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years. It worked when we had a historic defense. We have not had that for several years, and in the meantime up to now he has not adjusted. Your best player on offense is your QB. You build around and run an offense built for him. Now that said it seems like they have started doing this so far this year. We will see if it continues.

Look at how many times the Hawks have been in the playoffs since Carroll took over...What are you even talking about? Carroll is consistently in the playoffs almost every year...

I mean what do you want if you look around the league how many teams meet the accomplishments of Carroll your point is lame sorry to say...

LTH

 

[LTH]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years. It worked when we had a historic defense. We have not had that for several years, and in the meantime up to now he has not adjusted. Your best player on offense is your QB. You build around and run an offense built for him. Now that said it seems like they have started doing this so far this year. We will see if it continues.

Im ghoing to pull a Sutz here... your right maybe the Hawks should have andy Reid for the OC then all the problems would be solved... cheers Gulk Gulk Gulk...

 

[sutz]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years. It worked when we had a historic defense. We have not had that for several years, and in the meantime up to now he has not adjusted. Your best player on offense is your QB. You build around and run an offense built for him. Now that said it seems like they have started doing this so far this year. We will see if it continues.

Im ghoing to pull a Sutz here... your right maybe the Hawks should have andy Reid for the OC then all the problems would be solved... cheers Gulk Gulk Gulk...

Kindly don't use my name in vain.



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