#Free Russell

[LTH]

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years. It worked when we had a historic defense. We have not had that for several years, and in the meantime up to now he has not adjusted. Your best player on offense is your QB. You build around and run an offense built for him. Now that said it seems like they have started doing this so far this year. We will see if it continues.

Im ghoing to pull a Sutz here... your right maybe the Hawks should have andy Reid for the OC then all the problems would be solved... cheers Gulk Gulk Gulk...

Kindly don't use my name in vain.



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OH MY!!! My wife would LOVE that!! LMAO!!!!

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years.

And injuries to Pro Bowl players, draft failures, and bad free agency signings haven't played any role? They deserve the majority of the criticism. Again, why does this keep getting laid at the feet of philosophy?

I get that Pete is responsible for making do with what he has. But there is a point at which you just don't have enough. 2016-2018 easily fell into that category, and we made the playoffs in two of them and almost did in 2017. I am not seeing a problem.

 

[John63]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years. It worked when we had a historic defense. We have not had that for several years, and in the meantime up to now he has not adjusted. Your best player on offense is your QB. You build around and run an offense built for him. Now that said it seems like they have started doing this so far this year. We will see if it continues.

Look at how many times the Hawks have been in the playoffs since Carroll took over...What are you even talking about? Carroll is consistently in the playoffs almost every year...

I mean what do you want if you look around the league how many teams meet the accomplishments of Carroll your point is lame sorry to say...

LTH

So as long as we make the playoffs even 1 and done PC is golden even if his system is why we can't get further. Even if it might not be him that is the reason we are getting there? First off I am also not saying get rid of PC, I am saying PC needs to run an offense built for our best player which is our QB. Now that said he may be doing that we will see. Always interesting how when you question PC. some here thinks that means get rid of him. Maybe reading the actual post would solve that.

 

[John63]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years. It worked when we had a historic defense. We have not had that for several years, and in the meantime up to now he has not adjusted. Your best player on offense is your QB. You build around and run an offense built for him. Now that said it seems like they have started doing this so far this year. We will see if it continues.

Im ghoing to pull a Sutz here... your right maybe the Hawks should have andy Reid for the OC then all the problems would be solved... cheers Gulk Gulk Gulk...

LOl again no one is saying get rid of PC, only that PC needs to adapt his system for our best player the QB.

 

[John63]

Whether you like Hill or not is irrelevant, he nails it with this following point.

“The grim reality (the one you don't want to hear) is that Russell Wilson has been masking coaching and philosophical flaws for 4-5 years now.”

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years.

And injuries to Pro Bowl players, draft failures, and bad free agency signings haven't played any role? They deserve the majority of the criticism. Again, why does this keep getting laid at the feet of philosophy?

I get that Pete is responsible for making do with what he has. But there is a point at which you just don't have enough. 2016-2018 easily fell into that category, and we made the playoffs in two of them and almost did in 2017. I am not seeing a problem.

I dont agree, I believe had he adpated his system to our best Player who happens to be our QB we could have done more. FYI injurie shappen even NE gets them yet they adjust and still get it done.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I really do enjoy how some people think that saying things like "you don't want to hear this, but..." is some kind of irrefutable "I win" button.

There's a fine line between having your QB mask bad playcalls and having your QB create on his own when the playcall breaks down. The latter is kind of the goal of a franchise QB. There is no such thing as an offensive coordinator whose calls win 100% of the time and these Patriots-fans-in-disguise that call themselves Seahawks Twitter need to divest themselves of that notion. It's one of the things that gives away their ignorance.

As far as philosophy, I have yet to see where the big failure happened, unless reaching the Super Bowl each year is the only outcome people will accept as proof of Pete's worthiness to continue as head coach. The next calling card down is making the playoffs yearly, which we've done - including last year when we weren't supposed to - except 2017 when injury and a bad kicker thwarted us.

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years.

And injuries to Pro Bowl players, draft failures, and bad free agency signings haven't played any role? They deserve the majority of the criticism. Again, why does this keep getting laid at the feet of philosophy?

I get that Pete is responsible for making do with what he has. But there is a point at which you just don't have enough. 2016-2018 easily fell into that category, and we made the playoffs in two of them and almost did in 2017. I am not seeing a problem.

I dont agree, I believe had he adpated his system to our best Player who happens to be our QB we could have done more. FYI injurie shappen even NE gets them yet they adjust and still get it done.

You addressed one of my three points, and that at a superficial level, given that Brady is better than Wilson and every other QB in the league.

Pete didn't have enough. And that's largely his fault, if you really have a hard-on for needing to blame him.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years.

And injuries to Pro Bowl players, draft failures, and bad free agency signings haven't played any role? They deserve the majority of the criticism. Again, why does this keep getting laid at the feet of philosophy?

I get that Pete is responsible for making do with what he has. But there is a point at which you just don't have enough. 2016-2018 easily fell into that category, and we made the playoffs in two of them and almost did in 2017. I am not seeing a problem.

I dont agree, I believe had he adpated his system to our best Player who happens to be our QB we could have done more. FYI injurie shappen even NE gets them yet they adjust and still get it done.

You addressed one of my three points, and that at a superficial level, given that Brady is better than Wilson and every other QB in the league.

Pete didn't have enough. And that's largely his fault, if you really have a hard-on for needing to blame him.

Yeah when I see only John getting blame for so-so drafting I just laugh. Pete has the final say with this franchise on football matters and I'm sure has a lot of input in who's chosen on draft day.

 

[justafan]

The way I see it we are still in the process of rebuilding. People pointing out all his faults about bad philosophy,bad drafts ,horrible assistant coaches and being a horrible game day coach, all he does is keep this team competitive with every team in the league every Sunday. Handful of people remain from that SB team and we havent had the massive drop off and losing seasons most fans endure.

Some people seem to be trying awfully hard trying to prove how smart they are by ripping the best coach this team has ever had and probably ever will have.

I will take 9 and 10 win rebuilding years any time. Beats drafting in the top 10 year after year and getting nowhere. Been there have the tshirts

 

[John63]

Hmm okay does not change what he said and does not mean PC and his philosophy has not hurt the team in recent years.

And injuries to Pro Bowl players, draft failures, and bad free agency signings haven't played any role? They deserve the majority of the criticism. Again, why does this keep getting laid at the feet of philosophy?

I get that Pete is responsible for making do with what he has. But there is a point at which you just don't have enough. 2016-2018 easily fell into that category, and we made the playoffs in two of them and almost did in 2017. I am not seeing a problem.

I dont agree, I believe had he adpated his system to our best Player who happens to be our QB we could have done more. FYI injurie shappen even NE gets them yet they adjust and still get it done.

You addressed one of my three points, and that at a superficial level, given that Brady is better than Wilson and every other QB in the league.

Pete didn't have enough. And that's largely his fault, if you really have a hard-on for needing to blame him.

So saying I do not agree does not get my point across. First I am not convinced Brady is better than anything. Given every QB Belechek has had has performed great, how much is Brady and how much is the system. Not saying Brady is not a great QB not sure he is so far ahead of other Elite QBs as you make it sound. The mark of a good coach is not how he does when everything is great but how he does when things are not great. Any good coach would mold the system around his players, early on he had the players to run what he wanted. Then he did not, and he did not adjust, until now...maybe. That is the point of all this. INjuries happen to all teams, even NE, yet they dont miss a beat adn it is not just Brady, it is a coach willing to adjust and do the things needed to do more than just barely win games, or be one and done. This is were PC has been lacking, we will see if things continue this year.

 

[John63]

The way I see it we are still in the process of rebuilding. People pointing out all his faults about bad philosophy,bad drafts ,horrible assistant coaches and being a horrible game day coach, all he does is keep this team competitive with every team in the league every Sunday. Handful of people remain from that SB team and we havent had the massive drop off and losing seasons most fans endure.

Some people seem to be trying awfully hard trying to prove how smart they are by ripping the best coach this team has ever had and probably ever will have.

I will take 9 and 10 win rebuilding years any time. Beats drafting in the top 10 year after year and getting nowhere. Been there have the tshirts

The question is though how much is him and how much is having an elite QB, and 2 top 10 LBs to build around. How much better could we have been if he had adjusted and built the offense around Wilson...sooner if we want to say he finally is.

 

[Tical21]

Our MLB is our best player, and it isn't close.

 

[Spin Doctor]

And injuries to Pro Bowl players, draft failures, and bad free agency signings haven't played any role? They deserve the majority of the criticism. Again, why does this keep getting laid at the feet of philosophy?

I get that Pete is responsible for making do with what he has. But there is a point at which you just don't have enough. 2016-2018 easily fell into that category, and we made the playoffs in two of them and almost did in 2017. I am not seeing a problem.

I dont agree, I believe had he adpated his system to our best Player who happens to be our QB we could have done more. FYI injurie shappen even NE gets them yet they adjust and still get it done.

You addressed one of my three points, and that at a superficial level, given that Brady is better than Wilson and every other QB in the league.

Pete didn't have enough. And that's largely his fault, if you really have a hard-on for needing to blame him.

Yeah when I see only John getting blame for so-so drafting I just laugh. Pete has the final say with this franchise on football matters and I'm sure has a lot of input in who's chosen on draft day.

Not only does Pete have input, he has the final say in anything to do with player acquisition. He has full control of all aspects of the team. Schneider is just a rank and file guy, hell Pete was even the person who hired Schneider. That is a very unusual arrangement for the acting HC to be the one to hire the GM.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

Within the context of this thread specifically, it seems that the main difference between the opinions merely hinges on the concept of "relative".

Yes, with Russel at the helm, we win nearly all of our games. Thanks Pete! BUT I believe that what Fade, et al. are saying is that WE COULD BE EVEN BETTER. Which I agree with. Pete is a great head coach- but he put together an historic defense with which probably at least half of today's coaches could have coached to Super Bowl victory. Yes, he put it together- PROPS- it was an awesome job, but right now we don't have the luxury of having a defense that will hold on to almost any lead they're given. On the contrary, we have a defense that gives up yards like they're incentivised to do so!

Russell could lead any team in the NFL right now to an 8-8 record. Put him on the 'Phins and they go 8-8. I believe he's been at that level since 2013. So...why shouldn't people be concerned that we're only going 9-7, 10-6 in each of the past 4 seasons? They have every right to be concerned! How are all of you so sure we maxed out our potential? How do you know we couldn't have gone 12-4 last year with a few different "gameplans" along the way? Why did we only have 202 yds passing in a game we lost at home by more than a touchdown? A game we are down by 9 at halftime? How the hell do we let the Chargers come in and beat us?

The OP, to me, says now that we don't have that historic defense, we need to lean on our best player MORE THAN PETE's PHILOSOPHY normally dictates. Which is what we did against Arizona.

Yes, we're 3-1, AWESOME! but we should be 4-0 and in the driver's seat for HFA. Hey, relative to other teams and to our past, hell yes we should be happy with what we have. I am happy! But that's different than being content. As soon as you become content, its over- the fans that have become content are ok with a title 6 years ago and a playoff birth every year. Which is fine, but some want more. And we can be better than we are. We could have done better the past 4 years.

I guarantee Russ isn't content with one title. Fade isn't content with that. Why should anyone be when we have one of the best QBs in the league? In our history? We should be 4-0 right now and should be scoring no less than 3 TDs a game on offense with our current roster. We just scored two against the worst defense in the league at AZ.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

Our MLB is our best player, and it isn't close.

Come on man. Wags impacts far fewer plays than Russ does, has much, much, much less control over the outcomes of games, and actually is probably just as good at his job as Russ is at his.

Russ is the best, most important, most impactful player on our roster, period.

Geezus.

 

[chris98251]

For those here prior to 2012, they know that we had to BUILD that defense first, it was not Fed Ex'd from USC, there was a period of growing pains there also and we were in a QB shuffle.

Fast forward to now and you see an assembly of players and a churn happening to get pieces that fit and veteran place holders for pieces that are yet to arrive.

We have a QB this time however and it takes a bit of patience as youth and continuity happens and matures. We are on the right pace, just some want it faster then it takes to gel.

Your the ones that want the cookies out of the oven before they are done and then complain when they taste like dough.

Damn spell check, also yes Bambi Cookies are great assholes

 

[John63]

Our MLB is our best player, and it isn't close.

Come on man. Wags impacts far fewer plays than Russ does, has much, much, much less control over the outcomes of games, and actually is probably just as good at his job as Russ is at his.

Russ is the best, most important, most impactful player on our roster, period.

Geezus.

Dude if we had a bunch of high school players and Wilson he would say the water boy is our best player, anyone but Wilson. Thats his thing.

Of course our QB is our best player he handles the ball on every offensive play and has done things no one in the NFL has ever done.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Our MLB is our best player, and it isn't close.

Come on man. Wags impacts far fewer plays than Russ does, has much, much, much less control over the outcomes of games, and actually is probably just as good at his job as Russ is at his.

Russ is the best, most important, most impactful player on our roster, period.

Geezus.

Took the bait I see.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

Our MLB is our best player, and it isn't close.

Come on man. Wags impacts far fewer plays than Russ does, has much, much, much less control over the outcomes of games, and actually is probably just as good at his job as Russ is at his.

Russ is the best, most important, most impactful player on our roster, period.

Geezus.

Took the bait I see.

I have two (current player) jerseys in my closet: 54 and- as a WKU alum- 74. But the Hawks go where 3 takes them, period. No two ways around it.

 

[Fade]

Our MLB is our best player, and it isn't close.

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Yeah, he really tore it up on Sunday. :roll:

Wagner needs to play better.


Wilson could be putting up even better numbers if allowed, which is a scary thought.

Only 2 QBs have 10 total TDs and 0 INT.

Mahomes
Wilson

That is it.

 

[KiwiHawk]

Your the ones that want the cookies out of the oven before they are done and then complain when they taste like doe.

You make cookies out of Bambi's mom?