#Free Russell

[thegameq]

See what happens if you pass more. I sincerely hope you guys don't get your wish. I kind of like winning and having a QB with league-leading efficiency.

I think most just want some more flexibility and scheming to take advantage of an opponents weakness. If a particular situation or opponent calls for more pass plays then so be it. If the opponent calls for a more run heavy approach so be it.

No one wants an air raid style offense--at least not from what I have read.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Just more mixing it up, starting strong and being willing to adjust to the opponent.
I love watching the ground and pound when it's working. If they can't stop it, pound the crap out of the ball. But Russ can clearly sling it from anywhere on the field, including the pocket.
I just grow tired of the predictable stuff, when they mix it up a little they look like a much more efficient offense imo.

 

[justafan]

Within the context of this thread specifically, it seems that the main difference between the opinions merely hinges on the concept of "relative".

Yes, with Russel at the helm, we win nearly all of our games. Thanks Pete! BUT I believe that what Fade, et al. are saying is that WE COULD BE EVEN BETTER. Which I agree with. Pete is a great head coach- but he put together an historic defense with which probably at least half of today's coaches could have coached to Super Bowl victory. Yes, he put it together- PROPS- it was an awesome job, but right now we don't have the luxury of having a defense that will hold on to almost any lead they're given. On the contrary, we have a defense that gives up yards like they're incentivised to do so!

Russell could lead any team in the NFL right now to an 8-8 record. Put him on the 'Phins and they go 8-8. I believe he's been at that level since 2013. So...why shouldn't people be concerned that we're only going 9-7, 10-6 in each of the past 4 seasons? They have every right to be concerned! How are all of you so sure we maxed out our potential? How do you know we couldn't have gone 12-4 last year with a few different "gameplans" along the way? Why did we only have 202 yds passing in a game we lost at home by more than a touchdown? A game we are down by 9 at halftime? How the hell do we let the Chargers come in and beat us?

The OP, to me, says now that we don't have that historic defense, we need to lean on our best player MORE THAN PETE's PHILOSOPHY normally dictates. Which is what we did against Arizona.

Yes, we're 3-1, AWESOME! but we should be 4-0 and in the driver's seat for HFA. Hey, relative to other teams and to our past, hell yes we should be happy with what we have. I am happy! But that's different than being content. As soon as you become content, its over- the fans that have become content are ok with a title 6 years ago and a playoff birth every year. Which is fine, but some want more. And we can be better than we are. We could have done better the past 4 years.

I guarantee Russ isn't content with one title. Fade isn't content with that. Why should anyone be when we have one of the best QBs in the league? In our history? We should be 4-0 right now and should be scoring no less than 3 TDs a game on offense with our current roster. We just scored two against the worst defense in the league at AZ.

Anyone else find it weird that stuff like this has to be said?.......We're all happy the Seahawks are "winning". But the team can do a lot better than what we are seeing on the field if Pete was simply more flexible. Philosophy should never trump winning. Coaches who chose their philosophy over winning leads to a frustrated fan-base. They inevitably exhaust all the goodwill they earned and wear out their welcome. We've seen it play out over and over in the NFL. So what is there to lose from having a more flexible offense that plays to the strengths of the QB? Ego? "I got to do it my way and if it fails, I fail on my terms". I know this was a sticking point with Pete when he was hired, but I'd like to think he isn't that ego driven.

I find it weird people think Petes inflexibility by sticking with the run this is the reason we are 3-1. 3-1 in September is a good thing.

Special teams, turnovers,not being able run for 2 ft on 3rd and 4th down and sloppy tackling cost us a loss. We are a balanced offense as much as people want to act like we arent. Our slow starts are usually caused by sacks and penalties.

 

[Mad Dog]

See what happens if you pass more. I sincerely hope you guys don't get your wish. I kind of like winning and having a QB with league-leading efficiency.

Pete has always preached balance. He has never preached Ground Chuck philosophies. We ran a lot last year because our pass protection was glaringly awful and our run blocking was a strength. This year, you are seeing the brand of football Pete loves, largely because the OL is more solidified and the players know the playbook better.

Pete will do what he needs to do to win. But when he can, he will play a balanced game. But he's gone pass happy when we had RB problems and run happy when we've had protection problems.

I think this will be a great year for a balanced offense. We have the RB horses, we have OL stability, we have a good do-everything TE, we have some dynamic WR's. And most of all we have Russell Wilson.

 

[chris98251]

Field position and down and distance has a lot to do with it also, you can't be trying to drop back and throw the rock 9 out of 10 plays inside your 15. Bad things happen .....

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Of course. I can't stand pass plays from inside our own 15. Especially behind this pass blocking. Unless it's a very quick pass, which they have shown the last couple weeks they are very capable of doing.

 

[John63]

For all the run at all costs crowd the Arizona game probably wasn't much fun. They were slightly more aggressive early with Wilson and it paid off. No one is arguing we should never run only that Russ is so efficient that we should probably capitalize on that a little earlier in games and in the long run it would actually help the run game become more efficient in the process. I like Pete's approach I've just argued forever he's a little too conservative and he does hold back the offense at times. I think if you were sitting down with Schott or Bevell and drinking beer they would say the same thing.

This sums it up.

 

[Jville]

Aaron Donald & Friends.

 

[Fade]

See what happens if you pass more. I sincerely hope you guys don't get your wish. I kind of like winning and having a QB with league-leading efficiency.

Russell Wilson 2019 > Russell Wilson 2018

He has more pass attempts at this juncture than last year, and done it worth a worse running game, with his number 1 target retiring. Who'd of thunk?

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But don't let the data get in the way of your wild imaginings.


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You're right though, put the leash back on Wilson at the start of games. So we can watch the team bang their head against the wall for an entire half, before then finally letting him off said leash is they way to go. :2thumbs:

 

[KiwiHawk]

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You're right though, put the leash back on Wilson at the start of games. So we can watch the team bang their head against the wall for an entire half, before then finally letting him off said leash is they way to go. :2thumbs:

When people cherry-pick stats, I always wonder why. Why only 2 drives? Why not the first 20 plays, or the first half?

Here's why:

Can't use the first drive by itself, because 13 of the 33 yards came on the ground, plus we kicked the field goal because we had 3 incomplete passes in a row. Hardly speaks for dominance of the passing game. Still, that 3 points plus Clowney's TD gives us 10 points, which is all the Cards mustered.

Include the second drive - ahh, now there's reason to say the pass is dominant. Those two long passes totaling 60 yards really helped - wish we could have those every drive, eh?. Definitely says "pass all the times!"

But we can't include the third drive - oh hell no - because it went 6-yard run, 7-yard sack, 3-yard pass, punt. 6 rushing yards to -4 passing doesn't help make our point. On the other hand, we could include this series if we were making a point about running on first-down leads to 3-and-outs!

The 4th drive? Again HELL-to-the-NO! SIX consecutive rushes for 4, 7, 6, 8, 11 and -1 yards, drive ended immediately after thanks to two incomplete passes. Rushing good passing bad? No wait, that's not our narrative!

Anyway, there's the first half. Pretty clear why the analysis stopped after 2 drives.

 

[Fade]

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You're right though, put the leash back on Wilson at the start of games. So we can watch the team bang their head against the wall for an entire half, before then finally letting him off said leash is they way to go. :2thumbs:

When people cherry-pick stats, I always wonder why. Why only 2 drives? Why not the first 20 plays, or the first half?

Here's why:

Can't use the first drive by itself, because 13 of the 33 yards came on the ground, plus we kicked the field goal because we had 3 incomplete passes in a row. Hardly speaks for dominance of the passing game. Still, that 3 points plus Clowney's TD gives us 10 points, which is all the Cards mustered.

Include the second drive - ahh, now there's reason to say the pass is dominant. Those two long passes totaling 60 yards really helped - wish we could have those every drive, eh?. Definitely says "pass all the times!"

But we can't include the third drive - oh hell no - because it went 6-yard run, 7-yard sack, 3-yard pass, punt. 6 rushing yards to -4 passing doesn't help make our point. On the other hand, we could include this series if we were making a point about running on first-down leads to 3-and-outs!

The 4th drive? Again HELL-to-the-NO! SIX consecutive rushes for 4, 7, 6, 8, 11 and -1 yards, drive ended immediately after thanks to two incomplete passes. Rushing good passing bad? No wait, that's not our narrative!

Anyway, there's the first half. Pretty clear why the analysis stopped after 2 drives.

Dat 15 play script was beast. Was the point of that tweet.

You're focused on results against the hapless Cardinals, I am focused on gameplan/strategy, because Wilson's results over a 7+ yr body of work speak for themselves.

So while you're trying to come up with another strawman...

How pissed were you that the Seahawks came out throwing to start the game, using the pass to setup the run? Instead of wasting a half of football trying to establish the run, while a top 5 QB stands idly by as a ball warmer? Only to be asked to clean up the mess in the 2nd half, after it predictably fails?

Unreal. The whole point of #FreeRussell is to not handcuff him at the start of games. He isn't Mark Sanchez after all.

Why not address the data that covers his entire career, if small sample size is your big concern?

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What's even more impressive about this. Is Pete has been building everything around the running game for years, which has netted him below NFL average 4 of the last 5 seasons. Run first OC, Runblocking O-Lineman, 1st rd Runningback, Runblocking TEs. Yet they are waayy better at throwing the ball, year in, year out.

Wilson isn't playing in an Andy Reid offense, where Mahomes had the highest % of receivers open by 5 yards or more on every throw last season. No! He is playing with a run first coach, the degree of difficulty has been high. This year Wilson's efficiency has spiked over last season, even though he is throwing more, and the run game is worse, and his #1 target retired.

#FreeRussell (I think they have, finally!)